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Jordan warns Hamas against attacking banks
Ali Waked
Published: 05.06.06, 13:14
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1. neither will back down - must preserve that 'honor'
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (06.05.06)
they say they don't know what 'civil war' is, but that is what's going to happen - all because of their perverted 'honor' system. perverted because the only way to maintain 'honor' is to murder people. 'honor' to islamists is dishonor to the rest of humanity. that says a lot about them and their religious values.
2. looking forward to...
ys ,   Sverige   (06.05.06)
A big bust up between Hamas, Islamic jihad, Fata and others. I sense the beginning of a civil war between the terror entities, what a joy. YS. ..
3. now just lean back and
(06.05.06)
watch them kill each other
4. Send Ellen as a go-between Humanitarian
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
5. Those who are new and don't know Ellen
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
Ellen Prescott is an ISM Member http://geocities.com/ellen_southsea Ellen Prescott: Runs Boycotts against Israel http://www.geocities.com/ellen_southsea/links.html <<< A well-known shocker LINKS she supports: Islamic Human Rights Commission http://www.geocities.com/ellen_southsea/www.ihrc.org.uk MPACUK http://www.mpacuk.org/ Amnesty International http://www.amnesty.org/ Directorate General of Human Rights http://www.geocities.com/ellen_southsea/www.humanrights.coe.int/ International Solidarity Movement http://www.palsolidarity.org/ Stop the wall http://www.stopthewall.org/ The Guardian Newspaper http://www.guardian.co.uk/ University of Portsmouth http://www.port.ac.uk/ Inminds http://inminds.co.uk/ Boycott Israel Campaign http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html <<<< the other well known shocker
6. #6 Thanks for the news flash
Mellon Wescott ,   Austin, Powershire   (06.05.06)
The first few sites are down for some reason.
7. WE MISS YOU ELLEN, PLEASE COME BACK!!!
(06.05.06)
Work is boring today without you...
8. Can Hamas survive?
KEVI ,   Nagaland   (06.05.06)
Can the Hamas survive on their own? - The Hamas needs to respect people's opinion.
9. 6 Mellon Wescott : Possible she was taken down
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
we had many complaining about her Racism
10. Israel isn't helping either!
AKBAR KHALI-KILI HAF   (06.05.06)
Least they could do is to leave Palestine
11. Civilized Country
Rob Klein ,   calgary, canada   (06.05.06)
There are many benefits to living in a civilized country. One of the greatest of such benefits is the stability obtained from a steady pay cheque. Unfortunatly to be a civilized country one has to want peace and be constantly striving towards it. The Arabs in Israel (no such place as Palestine, look at a map) need to do their end in acting like a civilized, cultured group of people if they expect Israel to keep signing their pay cheques.
12. TO: AKBAR KHALI-KILI HAF
MB   (06.05.06)
What is Palestine?
13. 10 AKBAR: What is Palestine
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines ("Invaders" in Hebrew), that disappeared out over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine. 1. Nationhood and Jerusalem - Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam. 2. Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years with a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. 4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. 5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit. 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. 7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem). 8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. 9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human. 10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. 11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker; estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews. 12. In 1922, with what was widely acknowledged as the illegal separation of Transjordan, the Jews were forbidden to settle on almost 77% of the Palestine, while Arab settlement went unrestricted and encouraged by British mandatory authority. Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to Arabs without population transfer of Arabs from the land designated for Jews.
14. Why do Zionists Complain about Abu Mazen?
Dovy ,   Toronto   (06.05.06)
The Zionists are always kvetching about Abu Mazen, that he isn't enough of a stooge and enforcer the way it was all planned to be. Meanwhile many view Abu Mazen as doing whatever the Mossad and CIA want him to do within his abilities. So if he is at least TRYING to be a good stooge and obedient enforcer of the Zionists, why are you complaining about him?!
15. #14 Using a Yiddish Word to Insult Jews
(06.05.06)
Oooh thats rich, why dont you keep watching "loose change" or another conspiracy theory movie/document and live in your cubical. Dumbass, just like the rest of you libral morons
16. 14 Dovy: because one remembers Abbas
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
This has nothing to do with Zionist - But just those who know and remember Abbas: This is also Abbas: PA Pres. Abbas - the new resurrected Arafat in a designer suit - to European Parliament against unilateralism - silent on actually fighting terror - The butchers involvement in Munich massacre seemingly forgiven http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33352 The Fuehrer’s Deputy” - Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen). ... Co-architect of the Oslo Agreement; Revisionist and denier of the Holocaust; Is welcomed in the EU Parliament - when actually it is a crime to be a Holocaust denier in Europe. http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2003/march/g1.htm Abu Mazen has made his own contribution to the denigration of those already killed. In 1983, he wrote... The Other Side: The Secret Relationship between Nazism and the Zionist Movement, wherein he suggested that the figure of six million Jews murdered by the Nazis was a false one, "peddled" by the Jews..... To bolster that thesis, Abbas quotes known Holocaust revisionists as authoritative sources... Zionists, he Abbas contends, collaborated with the Nazis to murder Jews, in order to gain sympathy for the creation of the State of Israel. It is outrageous that the BBC once could describe the author of this nonsense as a "highly intellectual man... the author of several books." This is the same MAN - The EU Parliament (US in the past) invites as the peace maker partner and moderate man. Isn't the EU for once asking Abbas to clarify his position on the Holocaust. No clear statement is/was ever forthcoming. How come ? Today, we demand The EU and US come forth with statements and face the Truth the taxpayer has a right to know the truth. http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-ratzlav-katz031903.asp
17. 15 : Ormain: You said it as it is
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
18. 16 - is #15 a "nameless coward"?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (06.05.06)
just wondering.
19. 18 Mikey on the war path LOL - reminds me of that funny Pub
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.05.06)
on TV - about the cereal Give It To Mikey, He'll Eat Anything . .... Mikey likes it .......... Was that you in the commercials that little fat faced kid with freckles My children loved that commercial
20. "An Israeli state on the 1967 borders."
Michael Allen ,   New York   (06.05.06)
So Palestinian Arab murderers being held in Israeli prisons claim they are willing to recognize "an Israeli state on the 1967 borders." That's very nice of them, but what are these "1967 borders" and what do they have to do with the Palestinian Arabs? These "borders" are actually temporary armistice lines, not political or territorial boundaries, that were established between Israel and Jordan and Israel and Egypt following Israel's War of Independence, with the understanding that at some future date permanent borders might be negotiated between Israel and these two countries. So even if these had been de jure borders they would have nothing to do with the Palestinian Arabs because they would not have been borders between Israel and a non-existent Palestinian Arab state. This is something that needs to be made very clear because this constant talk about "Israel's 1967 borders" adds to the belief that all of Israel's borders are set and any Israeli activity beyond those lines is illegal. Moreover, when these "borders" are discussed in conjunction with the "Palestinians" it makes it seem as though there actually was a "Palestinian" state that Israel overran and is now occupying.
21. #20...exactly, but try telling this to...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (06.05.06)
brainwashed Palis. The truth doesn't exist in some people's mind. Yes, some Palestinains were driven out of their homes, but they had choices to make and they always made the wrong ones. Now they sit and cry for their own mistakes while Israel looks like the villain.
22. Not the Same Abbas
Dovy ,   Toronto   (06.06.06)
Why are Zionists so uninformed?? This person involved in the attack in Munich was NOT THE SAME ABBAS!!
23. To Gabrielle
Dovy ,   Toronto   (06.06.06)
As far as the Holocaust is concerned, it is the ONLY topic of history that is TABOO for historical research beyond the official lines of the Zionist Thought Police. Ask Bauer and a few other Zionist historians. They don't even agree with every Holocaust doctrine! And neither do I! So kal vachomer, Abu Mazen can think whatever he likes. I was going to say it's a free country, but that isn't true in the Zionist-controlled ghettos of Palestine.
24. 23 Dovy : Revisionist and denier of the Holocaust is
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.06.06)
in Europe An offense punishable by law. Holocaust denial is libel not only against those millions who died, but also against ALL JEWS. "The penal law code says Holocaust denial is a punishable offense" In some countries historical revisionism (negationism) of certain historical events is a criminal offence. Examples of historical revisionism (negationism) include Holocaust denial and Soviet history. Mostly enforced in Germany - France - Italy - Austria - Switzerland ... etc.. etc... have similar statutes on the books. Other countries followed: This usage has occurred because some authors who publish articles that deliberately misrepresent and manipulate historical evidence (such as David Irving, a proponent of Holocaust denial), have called themselves "historical revisionists" For example, some people have published popular histories that challenge the generally accepted view of a given period, such as the Holocaust. They do this by downplaying its scale and whitewashing other Nazi war crimes while emphasising the suffering of the Axis populations at the hands of the Allies and stating or implying that the Allies committed war crimes as well. It is sometimes hard for a non-historian to distinguish between a book published by a historian doing peer-reviewed academic work, and a bestselling "amateur writer of history". For example it was not until Irving lost his British libel suit against Lipstadt and that he was found to be a "falsifier of history", that the general public realised that his books were outside the canon of acceptable academic histories Abbas falls under the very same catogery - He uses and misuses as most Arabs the above in the full intentions of rewriting history - to white wash the facts. Finally: The Council of Europe (EU) defines it as "Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity" The Council of Europe Explanatory Report of the Protocol states "European Court of Human Rights has made it clear that the denial or revision of “clearly established historical facts – such as the Holocaust – .....would be removed from the protection of Article 10 by Article 17” of the ECHR Since the adoption of the term by Holocaust-deniers, historical revisionism has become stigmatized, and the term revisionist used as a description of suspect historical works dealing with the Holocaust. In Europe, and most Arab States, historical revisionism more often than not refers to denial of the crimes committed by the Nazi state between 1933 and 1945 (the Holocaust, but also the Gypsy genocide (Porajmos), the murder of gay people and the assassination and sterilization of disabled people). The Holocaust is NOT a question of being Taboo - to the contrary it is a subject that is in detail in the teaching program of ALL schools in Europe .
25. 23 Dovy your Statement: Zionist controlled Ghettos of
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.06.06)
Palestine. ............ You Fail FACTS: If you have NOT yet noticed the Palestinian Arabs are solely run underself-rule for many years (already before by Arafat) by their own Government - The PA Authoriy - that is what one calls - their right to self-determination - which was funded by billions of $$$$ from our tax moneys. International funds transferred to PA used to finance arms purchases http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2006/International+funds+transferred+to+PA+used+to+finance+arms+purchases+17-May-2006.htm === What Can We Learn from the Palestine Investment Fund Report? - Mark Sloman http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-27.htm ======== Now; last January the Palestinian Arabs voted newly into power the world wide listed terror organization called HAMAS. THE HAMAS - BACKGROUND http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/970824.htm THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm Which to this day fights for: The Destruction of Israel Saying: 'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble) The Call to Jihad: 'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15) ..... etc... up to today Hamas has refused to follow the US - UN - and EU - Russian demands to stop Terrorism and recognize Israel Therefore the funding from these same Quartet Members - has been stopped. "Unmasking Hamas' Hydra of Terror" - A Simon Wiesenthal Center Report http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/content.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=312458&content_id={8413545A-439C-4373-A19F-7CC7996A3F26}¬oc=1
26. 23 Dovy : You obviously don't know factual History
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.06.06)
You obviously have NO clue about History from the region: A) Occupation only applies under International Law - vis-a-vis the territory of another SOVEREIGN STATE.... You can legally only occupy another State that was under different Sovereignty at the time of occupation - which does not apply to the PA Territories since they were not part of any Sovereign State .... Jordan and Egypt never had annexed any territories to become the sovereign of same, when Israel regained it's territories in a self-defense war. Therefore Legally Judea and Samaria (ancient historical Jewish land) are unassigned territories of the British Mandate for Palestine not "occupied territories." B) Israeli presence in Yesha does not constitute "occupation," and moreover, that the U.N. Partition Resolution of 1947 is a "recommendation" and not obligatory. "Up until 1948, Judea, Samaria and Gaza were a part of the British Mandate. In the 1948 War of Independence, Egypt illegally grabbed the Gaza Strip, and Jordan took Judea and Samaria, the 'West Bank.' Egypt did not claim sovereignty in Gaza, but Jordan deigned, in 1950, to annex Judea and Samaria. This annexation was not recognized by international law. The Arab nations objected to it, In 1967, after the Six Day War, these territories - which were originally meant for the Jewish Nation's National Home according to the Mandate Charter - returned to Israeli control." in 1988, King Hussein of Jordan rescinded its legal and administrative ties to Judea and Samaria. "According to international law," "Israel has full right to try to populate the entire Land of Israel with dense Jewish settlement, and thus actualize the principles set by the League of Nations in the original Mandate Charter of San Remo in 1920. At that time, the mandate to the Land of Israel was granted to the British, and the introduction to the mandate charter states clearly that it is based on the international recognition of the historic ties between the Jewish People and the Land of Israel. Clause II of that mandate charges Britain with 'ensuring the existence of political, administrative, and economic conditions that will guarantee the establishment of the Jewish national home in the Land of Israel.'" "Even the White Paper of 1922," emphasized the Jewish Nation's rights to the national home in the Land of Israel - while at the same time tearing away almost 80% of the mandate's area on the eastern side of the Jordan and giving it to Emir Abdullah." There is nothing in international law that requires a Palestinian state between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean - not even the UN Partition Resolution of Nov. 29, 1947. The fact that the Arab states did not accept the Partition Plan, voids the recommendation of any legal basis. Resolutions 242 and 338, which call for negotiations and a "withdrawal from TERRITORIES" (not "withdrawal from THE territories") captured in 1967, are similarly "recommendations." These resolutions were drawn up under the UN Charter's Clause VI, which deals with non-mandatory recommendations - as opposed to Clause VII resolutions, "which are mandatory, and which deal with a threat to world peace, such as those taken against Iraq." If by chance you don't understand Intl. Law - you should take a lawyer and file for arbitration and explanations with the T.M.C. Asser Institute on Intl. Law in the Hague. http://www.asser.nl/index.htm Good Luck ALSO: Israel White Paper – Israel's Legal Rights to Judea, Samaria, and Gaza http://www.israelwhitepaper.org/
27. 22 Dovy: Why are you so uninformed This is same Abbas
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.06.06)
why do you push intentionally your .... Zionist .... issue The following "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend" is held by some to be an actual letter from Dr. King to an acquaintance. ". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth. "Anti-semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so.
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