Gaza beach blast: Possible scenarios
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 11.06.06, 17:47
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1. I'd like to know
Michelle   (06.11.06)
how the palestinian media managed to beat the palestinian cops and ambulance to the scene in time to catch the perfomance of a little girl screaming her head off. I smell palliwood at work again.
2. told ya so
3. Pallywood
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (06.11.06)
The video is fake, fake, fake! Another staged affair, like Al-Dura and Jenin. Hamas wanted an excuse to end their so-called "truce" so they killed their own in order to have an atrocity to blame on Israel.
4. Wise up
Wise up   (06.11.06)
There is no doubt that the terrible act of killing these poor seven Palestinians must be strongly condemned and an investigation must begin at once. However this investigation must be as impartial as possible and CERTAINLY not by the army. The army is not to be trusted as in many cases in the past lied and covered up the truth (e.g. The murder of the Pro-Palestinians activist Tom Handel that was first shamefully dismissed by “The most moral army in the world”). I would recommend that someone like an ex-judge (maybe Barak, but not a red-neck) with a team included amongst others representatives from Betzelem but also from the army. its findings should include recommendations in conduct and procedures of shelling/shooting specifically to Gaza, and to decide of the best possible strategy to facilitate the life of Palestinians without undermining Israel security. Although I strongly criticize the tragic death I would say that it is hard to expect from Peretz to undo 58 years of low morality. This is especially straight after the army and the defence system ran by the SOB “Mofaz of mass destruction” who made killings an art form. An impartial committee of the one I suggested can help and be a stepping-stone to improve procedures of “The most moral army in the world”. I do not believe that another even more lefty minister (including from Meretz) would have prevented the act, as untangling the ruthless shooting procedures of the army takes a long time to undo. To the Palestinian authority I would say to stop feeling sorry for themselves all the time, as it is their responsibility to prevent the launching of Qasam rockets from Gaza. In the past they used the reason the Fatah alone could not control these rockets alone, but now there is no excuse as Hamas is in power and with Fatah MUST do everything to prevent these launchings. It is hard for me to believe that they can not do more if they really want to. They should remember that Israel have the right and the obligation to defend the citizens of Sderot and any other affected area, and they can not expect no retaliation at all. In addition they better start to behave like a country including controlling the security otherwise when they finally get their independent they will submerge to chaos and deeper sectarianism. Generally speaking the peace negotiation must resume/start at once because stalemates and impasses tend to aggravate situations as they leave people in limbo and uncertainty.
5. Video is a hoax - read this
tommy ,   Seattle Washington   (06.11.06)
We've been investigating this video. Please go to this link and read my comments on this thread. I've noticed that in one of the videos, the dead man's hand appears to move by itself. LoL. Somebody at Little Green Footballs noticed that in the CNN version, that the "injured victim" at the end of the video appears to be gripping an AK-47.
6. Propoganda versus careful journalism
Steve ,   USA   (06.11.06)
B"H I keep on mentioning that this is so important to have the facts on the table so as to avoid becoming a propganda machine. Until Israel gets this right, it is going to be very hard to arrive at a peaceful settlement. Israel does not have the facts on what the population NEEDS and is relying to much on misinformation from propogandists.
7. Hamas does what Arafat did: Propaganda Tools since They
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.11.06)
are falling apart - they want to overcome intern fights - and assure the concentration of Arabs is once directed towards Israel They did not have a truce - Hudna - to start with since daily qassams etc... are not part of ANY truce Simple Propaganda
8. And The Bull Thickens
RythmPig ,   Canada   (06.11.06)
I guess Pallywood productions are created without a script, or the actors and players aren't reading them. First it's one shell, then the bus drivers say 5 shells. The little girl is swimming, or under a blanket, or waiting for a taxi. The father is blown up somewhere that the little girl can't find him, but after frantically running around she does he's all in one piece and no blood - I see shades of the six million dollar bionic man here. Anyway I could go on and on, the more info that comes out the more rediculous this story gets. I just hope it was just a bad production and no person or animal actually got hurt and everyone will be able to attend Mohamme Al-Dura's wedding.
9. No? Really? not truth telling Hamas! Terrorists never lie
10. The war against these terrorists is being lost
Not the ACTUAL fighting, but the media war. There simply aren't enough OBJECTIVE (forget even Israel friendly) news outlets. People have been saying this looked strange from the start. But too bad for us, the world jumps at every chance to bash Israel. The report is telling in the last paragraph: "Israel continues to probe the incident, but the military and PR establishments already know well that the terrible images – even if it ends up the IDF is not responsible – already made their impression on the world" Ali Waked is right here. Even if Israel is beyond a shadow of a doubt exonerated, even if Haniyeh himself says it WAS a Hamas job, the world will STILL blame Israel. It will go down in history as Israeli aggression, even though the truth is known. Just like all the other made up facts that the Palestinians and their Leftist Media sympathizers keep coming up with and repeating until its established as a fact. Oy, what to do?
11. Where is the shrapnel?
Cynic ,   Houston, USA   (06.11.06)
If Israel could get the smallest piece of shrapnel, we would know the truth. The truth is, it was not from Israel.
12. Think about it
Sam ,   Alquds, Palestine   (06.11.06)
Only a screwed mind would think of such an atrocity as a hollywood drama. Maybe someone who lies a lot would think everybody around lie too. You did it, as you did a lot of other atrocities, so admit it and stand up to it, and do not blame it on the victims, this just makes it uglier.
13. 12Sam: Sad but thats what you people do and have done
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (06.11.06)
Pallywood is facts Your own people try to trick the world but you have to become better with Your lies
14. Sam - Our Investigative Reporter On The Scene
RythmPig ,   Canada   (06.11.06)
OK Sam here's your big chance to show the world that we are all fools, plus you get to demonize the Jews, which is always entertaining and fun for the whole familiy. Since Hamas refuses to cooperate with Israel you can sort this whole misunderstanding by providing photos of the 1, 4, or 5 craters that should be there on the beach, depending on which story you believe. You can also gather a sample of shrapnel and mail it to an independant lab to analyse where it came from; presumably Israel. You might also want to interview the camera men and ask how they managed to get all this footage before the ambulance even arrived; maybe they feel naked swimming without their camera. This is your opportunity to dive into the world of JOURALISM!
15. Sam - I forgot to mention TAQIYA
RythmPig ,   Canada   (06.11.06)
While your on the subject of lie's; Taqiya is officially condoned in the Quaran if done for the advancement of Islam, but you already knew that didn't you?
16. #12 (Sam)
sk ,   USA   (06.11.06)
Sam, you live in a made-up place ("Palestine") and with a made-up nationality ("Palestinian"). Your "people" have already faked numerous atrocities, like the one in Jenin. They are perfectly willing to exhume bodies and move them for filming purposes (as in Jenin). The al-Dura incident is now known to be a fraud as well. Many "Palestinians" do not seem to love their children very much, as is evident from the martyrdom industry. So don't pretend that suggesting that Pals are beasts is controversial. You fail to understand the references to "Pallywood," which refer to a video showing how the "Palestinians" manufacture "news." See the link below: I've thought about it, Sam. From the first moments, this story looked like a fake, from the wildly overacting little girl to the way-overproduced camera footage. In a movie, we forget that the angles we see presuppose a camera properly positioned. That is why footage of a film being made can be so interesting. This footage looks staged in light of the multiple camera angles, including angles that require pre-positioning (e.g. the one from above). Every other detail of this incident, from the changing "Palestinian" stories, to the state of the beach in question after the "shell" struck, to the lack of body parts strewn around, to the uncooperative PA, to the supposed removal of supposed shrapnel by a "Palestinian" hospital, and on and on, point to this being a fraud. (BTW, the idea that shrapnel would be removed at a Pal hospital and THEN the patient would be sent to an Israeli hospital is yet another absurdity.)
17. MORE staged photos: sign in English
sk ,   USA   (06.11.06)
Guys, when I travel I am a decent photographer. I know how important it is to frame a shot properly, to zoom in or out, etc. Can anyone doubt that the absurd photo ("Children protest in Khan Younis (Photo: Reuters)") is not itself staged? From the sign in English, to the close-up of the painted boy, captured slightly off-center, in what is probably a fairly small number of boys put together in a corner of a set. I would be embarrassed to produce something so obviously phony. But the "Pals" have been doing it so long (remember that al-Reuters and other wire services use "Palestinian" stringers for their "news"), that people don't see this stuff for the absurdity it is.
18. We have seen you Arabs kill your children for propoganda
Caligula's Horse ,   Solomon's Stables   (06.11.06)
Remember a-Dura? Shot by Palestinians in front of the camera for propoganda purposes, you've broken every possible moral barrier, this is not far fetched. What I think, is since the last time an IDF unit came from the sea and hunted Qassam units the terrorists decided to put anti tank mines for their amphibian vehicle, the kids played with it (there is an object which looks like an anti tank mine lid on the video) and it blew up. Because : It was not an artillery shell (artillery shells leave big holes in the ground and dismembered bodies). It was not an airplane (same). It was not a ship (the ships did not fire). The video clearly showed that this was an adjacant explosion and nothing of the above.
19. they are all fake
Yisraeli   (06.11.06)
Palestinian people do not exist by Joseph Farah © 2002 A provocative headline? It's more than that. It's the truth. Truth does not change. Truth is truth. If something was true 50 years ago, 40 years ago, 30 years ago, it is still true today. And the truth is that only 30 years ago, there was very little confusion on this issue of Palestine. You might remember the late Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir making the bold political statement: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people." The statement has been a source of ridicule and derision by Arab propagandists ever since. They love to talk about Golda Meir's "racism." They love to suggest she was in historical denial. They love to say her statement is patently false – an intentional lie, a strategic deception. What they don't like to talk about, however, are the very similar statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership years after Meir had told the truth – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity. So, despite the fact that conventional wisdom has now proclaimed that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people, I'm going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down. Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. That's pretty clear, isn't it? It's even more specific than Golda Meir's statement. It reaffirms what I have written on this subject. And it is hardly the only such statement of its kind. Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel. In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel." No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves. I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation. Why now has it become such a critical priority? cont.
20. cont.
The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years. Golda Meir was right. Her statement is validated by the truth of history and by the candid, but not widely circulated, pronouncements of Arafat and his lieutenants. Israel and the West must not surrender to terrorism by granting the killers just what they want – a public relations triumph and a strategic victory. It's not too late to say no to terrorism. It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine.
21. #12, yes, let's think about it, Sam
reuven ,   ramat beit shemesh   (06.11.06)
An incident comes to mind when, during a Palestinian funeral procession some 4 years ago, a "victim" of a IDF operation in Jenin suddenly jumped off of his stretcher and started running. Only some screwed-up minds could come up with a Hollywood stunt like that. The beach incident obviously is a horrible incident and the little girl's reaction was devastating to see, but it's well within realm of possibility that an IDF weapon did not cause these deaths. Given the Palestinian penchant for injecting fiction into current events, I rather wait until the facts are in. But I guess that you were there, Sam, you know all the details, and your brilliant legal mind has decided guilt. Truth's not important, eh, just the opportunity to sling some dirt.
22. Oy, what to do?
simply wait, this pal. propaganda stunt will disappear as it came
23. Screwed minds
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (06.11.06)
Only screwed minds could come up with a scenario in which a father hides behind his own son while the French cameras roll, dig up graves in order to create a larger body count, claim the Holocaust never happened, claim that no airliner hit the Pentagon and that the World Trade Center was brought down in a "controlled demolition."
24. IDF killed 7 civilians, period !
Franck   (06.11.06)
The worldwide media reactions on the 'beit lahia incident' are very hypocritical. The killing of palestinians civilians by the israeli army is a recurrrent and banal event. There has been more than 40 palestinians civilians killed by Tsahal since the beginning of the year. The only problem this time is that seven in one shot is too big for the leaders and the public opinion of the world. Occupation imply the killing of civilians, there is no clean war.
25. Franc would suggest France NON?
RythmPig ,   Canada   (06.11.06)
Now we have a frenchman that finds everything OK because Palistinians have been killed. This is the country that colluded with Saddam Hussain, and is now eleveated to the NO.1 exporter and trader with Iran, since the Iraq war. France is always sideing with the enemy. Then when their in the shit they expect to be bailed out. Sorry we'll let the YOUTHS sort that out for now on. What is a YOUTH anyway? Just curious.
26. Isn't Funny How fwance went from 35 to 1
RythmPig ,   Canada   (06.11.06)
During the Iraq war. I mean as a trader with Iran. Or should I say a Traitor with Iran. You can alway trust the Fwench to choose the wrong side. If you don't believe the statistics check it out your self. GOOGLE It's part of thier character; they'd rather be a leader amognst loosers than be a follower amognst winners. They'll never change.
27. Reality check
Arie   (06.11.06)
-Not the first time the palis staged an incident where palis were murdered to blame the IDF - last year in Gaza City, even the PA had to admit a car explosion was caused by their own terrorists -"Critically injured by artillery" victims showing up at hospitals with no artillery related wounds -staged scene so obvious even hollywood is laughing -constant change in numbers -hamass wanted an excuse to claim they are breaking the hudna that never existed anyway
28. To the Frenchman
tommy ,   Seattle Washington   (06.12.06)
Franck talks about recurrent and banal events. Do you mean like the recurrent and banal terrorism the Israelis have to put up with? Or do you mean like the recurrent and banal military losses France has suffered throughout its history?
29. Always you have an excuse ready
Libyan Guy ,   Italy   (06.12.06)
What must the arabs do to make the world beleive that in Israel there is an apatide system --> if you are Jew you are good, if not your are not pure and subject to have problmes some day. Killing people on the beach ?! NO NO ... IDF is the most moral army on this planet ... bull that we saw and knew about since Isreal exsisted, so please admit your wrong doing, and give the Palestnieans the possibility to live like humans on there land and kee pyuors well for the future and don't forget to finish the wall to start with the roof and that's your destiny to live with ... as being democratic does require wall and army tanks and hiding the nuke ... bad and more dangerous then the ayatallah in Iran ... yes ... the JEWS ...
30. Corpse falls out of casket, walks away
Cynthia ,   USA   (06.12.06)
We've seen this before. Why are the Palestinians covering up evidence? If Israel was really at fault, you would expect the Palestinians to readily cooperate in the investigation.
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