Why do you lie about your name? Give your BBC e-mail address or I'll do it for you.

Please post her real name and e-mail address. She needs to be given a taste of her own medicine.

"If you don't remember, the murders took place on a sandy beach. As we all know, due to the wind, sand has a way of moving around. " You are truly brain washed. As I said in the quote this could fit a CAR. It means the crater would easily be 2-4 meters deep. Are honestly telling me that light breezes filled a crater 3-5 meters deeps and easily 5 meters wide??? Is this what you expect anyone to believe that a massive crater was just filled by the light breezes of a middle eastern day. Please note that that day there was little to no wind so how does the sand just move around? Also note that because of the blast the sand should have been compacted by the shockwave, making it more solid and unlikely to move. Also you did not answer my second question. Why are the bodies still intact? They were by YOU stated, hit by a 155 mm shell. How are there bodies still intact? Please explain.

i think its clesr this is not a palestinian site. WWW.PMW.ORG.IL IL which means israel, please every body visit this site and just read and enjoy the lies.

Whatever you've got up your sleeve, it's false. I have no affiliation in any way with the BBC (although, that doesn't sound half-bad) and I hope, for the sake of whomever you believe is me, that you do not post his/her personal info. OK?

This "person"made a havoc in this site. This person is a very malevolent creature,and without doubt must be punished. I suggest all talkbacks "she"sent to here ,to be sent to BBC in order to providences to be taken. Such devil creature must be punished and impeded in its intents to keep on harming people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1796861,00.html "[A]n expert sent by the New York-based Human Rights Watch to investigate the death of the family has concluded that there is little doubt they were killed by an Israeli shell dropping from the sky. "All the evidence points to the fact that it couldn't have been a mine," said Marc Garlasco, a former Pentagon adviser on battlefields who led the US military's battle damage assessment team in Kosovo and worked for its intelligence wing, the Defense Intelligence Agency. "You have the crater size, the shrapnel, the types of injuries, their location on the bodies. That all points to a shell dropping from the sky, not explosives under the sand," he said. The army says an eight-minute gap between when the last shell was fired and when the Palestinians were killed means there is no connection. However, there is a dispute over the timings, with the Palestinian ambulance service logging an emergency call just before Israel says it stopped firing shells. The army also says that aerial pictures of the blast crater show it is more likely to have been made by a mine under the sand than a explosion from above. But after investigating the scene, Mr Garlasco concluded that the army's explanation was deeply flawed. Among the new shrapnel he collected at the scene was a piece stamped with the figures: 155MM. "The 155mm shell is what Israel uses in the howitzers that regularly shell northern Gaza," he said. "The Israelis have been postulating that it's a land mine. I've been to hospital and seen the injuries. The doctors say they are primarily to the head and torso. That is consistent with a shell exploding above the ground not a mine under it. If it were a mine or kids playing with an old shell you would expect severe leg injuries as well, even legs blown off." Doctors also said that the shrapnel pulled from the survivors included copper used to case or line shells. Mr Garlasco said the crater where the family was killed closely resembles others scattered the length of the beach caused by Israeli shells. Each is lined with a white power left by the explosion. "To say you have five or six rounds in an area and coincidentally there's a land mine next to it and it goes off at the same time is asking a lot," said Mr Garlasco." In my opinion, to assume as true (as so many here seem to do) that these deaths were caused by a Palestinian landmine (which there is no independent evidence of the existence of) rather than the Israeli shells that were unquestionably being dropped on the area, merely on the word of an official from the military which carried out the shelling, is gullibility at its worst. Morons (on EITHER side of a debate) who hold their precious persona-defining beliefs so close to their hearts that they feel compelled blind themselves to any evidence that contradicts them and fall over themselves to embrace any (dis)information that supports them are the reason our world is such a tragic place. Faith is the enemy of love. Learn to disengage from your beliefs.

sued And I mean it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will !!!!!!!!!

we know them - they have been behind Durban and the Anti-Jews crowd and are funded by the Left never once have they questioned real experts - but rather believe terrorists. You ALL have an agenda And I know you never believe facts - because it interferes into your Hate campaign http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/26678.html

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/26678.html

Beirut you Fake Read up on facts before you post utter rubbish

Al Aqsa official: Jewish temples existed Says proof passed down over the centuries by mosque custodians http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50637 He said the Muslim world's widespread denial of the existence of the Jewish temples is political in nature and is not rooted in facts.

That a few words that you post would wipe out sixty years of libel and evil directed at Israel? You are kidding right? You seem to discount the very nature of those whom are accusing Israel. (EVIL AND LYING) How many times have they blamed Israel for their mistakes, let alone their deliberate killing of their own. "Oh let's send these kids and women out before us, so Israel will look like they killed them" They shoot their own everyday. When they drop one of those homemade missiles and it explodes it is always blamed on Israel. "Oh we heard a drone or a helicopter". The Palestinian people lie. All the time they lie, because they are doing evil against another people, and lying is just the natural course of evil. Evil People lie a lot, even when the truth would serve them better. This beach incident is the result of an Arab war against Israel, end of story. If the Arabs/Islamist were in the least bit honest they would call off their war and nobody else would have to die on either side. Point is… Israel cannot stop this war, only the aggressors can and because they won't someday we will see God himself coming down to put a end to it and believe me the Islamofacist are not going to win against him.

How many Palestinian people do you know personally?

How do we know one of those homemade rockets didn't go up and come back right back down on themselves, or tip over just as it was fired? Why would Israel, who as far as I can tell always acknowledges when they kill civilians, start lying? It makes no sense. The Palestinians seem to always lie when they kill somebody. (the Hamas rocket parade for example) It makes more sense for them to act like they always do and for Israel to act like they always do. Sad thing is the Palestinians will never seek the truth because they know they would lose world support if the truth were told.

Abuses OK - then you are busy for the next 50 years Israel is fighting Arab terrorism since over 77 years: http://www.gabriellegoldwater.com/2004/jun/09_07.html Facts that have been est. and posted are: http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/26678.html http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/26699.html http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27778

I haven't replied for so long, Danny, because I have better things to do than spend all my time hanging around message boards trying to reason with racist pigs (like watching the world cup). I especially am in no rush to reply to irrelevant drivel from someone who ignores a very simple and direct question. Your notion that the explosion may have been caused by a homemade rocket is rather amusing seeing as how nobody has mentioned the possibility and there is absolutely zero evidence for such a scenario. Gabrielle, first of all, I am not Chinese, I merely reside in Beijing, but even if I was, why shouldn't I disapprove of mendacity and deliberate deception in international incidents such as this? The nationality of a person doesn't define of limit their political perspective; it is perfectly possible for a Chinese person to disapprove of the actions of both the Israeli and Chinese state and I know plenty who do (though the propaganda system here is as horribly affective as in most modern states). Secondly, none of those heavily skewed articles you linked to provided any evidence to contradict the most important point made by Mr Garlasco, namely that the injuries sustained by the victim were consistent with an airborne explosive rather than a surface one. I'll leave this discussion with a pertinent quotation from Kurt Vonnegut's 'Mother Night': "There are plenty of good reasons for fighting but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty hates with you, too. Where's evil? It's that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side... It's that part of an imbecile that punishes and vilifies and makes war gladly."

As you said: ..............Secondly, none of those heavily skewed articles you linked to provided any evidence to contradict the most important point made by Mr Garlasco, namely that the injuries sustained by the victim were consistent with an airborne explosive rather than a surface one. ........... Now don't make me laugh - specialists that have a lot more knowledge than You and are more professional - don't agree with the Palestinians - nor with Garlasco Who is NO expert in amunition nor weapons - but is suddenly handy and ready ......... Odd the videos take apart and followed by experts proof the HRW wrong But obviously those like you with an agenda will grasp any straw to throw blame on those they hate still I think no matter what you are - keep yourself busy with China they need it badly You only come here with a set agenda I in my work for over 40 years see and hear your types in all Radio and conferences - so don't make me laugh about your shallowness and your ignorance of facts You disect with specialist then the actions - and bring solid factual proof with precise explanations Which Garlasco has never done - nor you - but you have big words and all expert results Funny as hell

HRW's so called .... "military expert", Mark Garlasco is the author of HRW's publication, Razing Rafah, (October 2004) which included many unverifiable claims. See www.ngo-monitor.org/editions/v3n02/ResponsetoHRWPressRelease.htm ; www.ngo-monitor.org/archives/correspondence/state_dept_21.12.05.html This report was produced in order to justify the active involvement of HRW in the anti-Israel boycott campaigns. The nature of Garlasco's knowledge and claims of expertise have never been examined independently. 2) HRW officials have a long and carefully documented history of exploiting human rights claims to promote a clear anti-Israel political and ideological bias. See www.ngo-monitor.org/archives/infofile/hrw_2005_060406.html HRW officials played an active role in the infamous 2001 Durban conference and have been actively involved in the demonization process. 3) Garlasco does not explain the discrepancies between his claims and the IDF data, or the impact of the Palestinian efforts to alter the area and evidence at the scene of this incident. 4) Therefore, there is no basis for accepting HRW's version as being more valid than the IDF's analysis. 5) HRW calls for an independent investigation of this incident, but has never published a report on or called for an investigation of the source of Palestinian missile components, or on those responsible for these attacks. This is another example of HRW's double standard in use of human rights claims.

unfortunately, your lack of knowledge of the history of the Jewish/Hebrew people is pathetic. You call the palestinians "natives" yet you ignore the fact that so are the jews. The jews were thrown of their homeland some 2000 years ago. King David built Jerusalem. There was the kingdom of Israel for thousands of years. As much as the arab propaganda machine is trying to erase the connection that the Jewish pople have to the land of Israel, This is never going to happen.This is just a "crumb" of history that you either are ignorant of or you just choose to ignore. You also ignore the fact that the Palestinians elected a government who preaches terror and the killings of innocent civilians and you ignore the suicide bombings, the kassams and all other attacks against innocent Israelis. What did you think about the murder of teenagers in a disco, the pregnant mothers in restaurants, the children in their beds, etc, I bet there was not a beep that came out of your mouth. There were arabs living in Palestine, they were mostly Jordanians. There was no such thing as the Palestinian People. This is an invention from the seventies. The arab propaganda machine and the re-writing of history has succeeded with you. The Israeli army fights terror, just as the government of the USA does. So why don't you just mind your own business, because you obviously do not know what it's like to constantly having to defend your country against so many barbarian enemies who want to take your homeland away from you!