.....is to know that they are not the only citizens of this country paying taxes and laying down their lives to protect this country...and to know that EVERYONE is subject to the same laws, and that no-one is above the law. Believe me I grew up in a goyishe country and "some of my best friends are goyim" and I have no idea in what way that proves your point. As a secular Israeli, speaking for myself, I can explain to you that the reason that I hate the hareidim is not because they are more religious than me, but because they think that they are BETTER than me, and that they are above the law........ If any of you correspondents from the US actually LIVED here for any period of time, you might understand the situation better. It is the hareidim who are unable to live and let live, and unable to accept other jewish people for what they are, not the secular jews.......

Well,first than all,I avoided in my # 5 talk back to enter in the Haredi problem in Israel,and prefered to stick in the palis problem. Why did I avoid entering in Haredi problem? Because even you being right in some aspects you mention about their life in Israel ,as not paying taxs,not going into the army,etc,I think that it is happening a blind and unfair hate against Haredim in Israel ,due to political interests. So,I am trying to be cautious to "judge"them,since they are my brothers as any other Jew. Yes,many things must be worked out in Israel and about Haredim,but hatred is not the way,principaly against our owns. I can assure you that Haredim are not a bigger problem than palis,at all,Mike! They don't bomb them selves against others,they don't try to rob land from others-as arabs are intenting about Israel-,they just want to follow Jewish comandments. Yes,I agree that they should be more opened towards all other Isarelis,but I repeat ,the way is not hatred and a divided society. About them not allowing outsiders in their community,I am sure you are wrong. I myself,one of the times I was in Israel, I was invited to dinner in the home of one of them,I passed Pessach with them ,and they didn't know me. I just had a book with the name of many sinagogues and Religious People who were willing to receive foreigners,especially the ones travelling in a strict budget,as it was my case that time. Again ,in another travel,this time not to Israel,I was in the Ortodox community asking for informations and some clues,and I was extremely well received. So,we have to think better before condemning our brothers. That's my view.Ididn't write without a based opinion,but rather opposite.

I dont hate them (hardiem) i hate the way they treat the country thats protecting them. as far as letting outsiders in this is a fact keren. Lastly i dint say they are the biger problem i would say they are on the same level. Israel can deal with bombs but israel cant deal with someone trying to destroy it from the Inside. This is whats happening here. Have a good nite.

if anyone here has felt a sense of superiority or non telrance from the hareidi side of town it is because we hareidi ppl know that you seculars are destroying our people and our country. jews are assimilating at a rapid rate and it is especially due to the secular israeli movement which compromises jewish ideas with the secular stupidity and vanity that the non jews offer. dont you get it judaism is a religion if you seperate religion from judaism you will destroy the jewish people and you are doing a darn good job at it too... stop killing yourself. change is hard but if you dont change you will be committing national suicide