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Refused entry to bar 'because of kippah'
Michal Shomer
Published: 11.07.06, 22:49
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1. Racist Comment
Observer ,   Jerusalem   (07.11.06)
This news is really upseting. If true, the guy have every right to sue the place. However, I found the comment about 'Arabs from the territories' quite a racist analogy! As it sounded as 'even Arabs are allowed into this place, so there is no reason for no one else to enter, especially if a true Jew'. This is quite disturbing for me. I guess human beings are all equal, and should not be judged because of their race, belif, or religion... Our Italian friend have the right to enter the place, but the racist comment about Arabs shouldn't have been there...
2. #1
Jane   (07.11.06)
Not racist. Realist. Can we go to Arab hookah bars and expect to come out alive? If not, then why are we expected to grant entree to Arabs in our clubs - so they can blow up another disco? I think not.
3. You know what erks me
Bush ,   usa   (07.12.06)
We just read on ynet this week how some Israelis were not allowed entry in some Gentile bars yet after complaining so much about anti semitism we realize that israelis themselves aren't cleaned from anti semitism. If you want people worldwide to love you for who you are you better start loving your neighbors and brothers first kippa or no kippa and then the world will learn.
4. Wearing the kippah while partying?
kurt ,   san diego   (07.12.06)
Doesn't that tell you something about the type of people who go into that club? I might seem odd, but I'm into wearing a kippah when praying; not partying.
5. A religious guy doesn't belong in a bar in the first place
Karen R ,   USA   (07.12.06)
And if I were his mother, you'd better believe he'd be afraid to come home! Going to a bar is out of place for anybody Orthodox - in particular for a "bachelor party" before he gets married !!?? Good for the bouncer!
6. It's normal
Michael ,   Paris   (07.12.06)
Kippah wearing, and club dancing are not compatible, it's not an opinion, it's a fact ! Then the doorman was completly right !
7. Why so worried? There is always Jerusalem.
sk ,   USA   (07.12.06)
At least the guy with the kippah wasn't heckled, stoned, or stabbed.
8. Bouncing Apes
Carlos Murphy ,   Aus.   (07.12.06)
Bouncers are the same all over the world.They are usually apes who have under gone lobotomies.
9. This club is finished
anonymous   (07.12.06)
I am highly influential and work in club promotions in the TA area. I will be recommending that this club is not attended by the affluent clientèles that I am in association with. I can predict that business will be very bad in this particular establishment from now on.
10. #5 & #6
JJ ,   South Africa   (07.12.06)
Shame on the 2 of you , where does it say a religious man or woman can not go into a club or pub there is absolutly no reason why they can not go in and have a good time, the fact that you, #5 and #6 just go to these places to pick up partners is one thing, but to assume something like that is just being Racist. IT IS PPL LIKE YOU THAT WONT ALLOW PEACE IN THE WORLD CAUSE YOU WOULD ALWAYS LOOK FOR THE BAD IIN OTHERS. .......SO GROW UP AND GET A LIFE!
11. If it is true, then it is a disgrace
Daniel ,   Australia   (07.12.06)
And also Karen (#5)....what is it your business if he wants to go to a bar? Get off your high-horse and don't judge him. He is entitled to practice his religion in any way he choses. You are obviously a very ignorant person and live inside a very closed world. Maybe you should have some fun once in a while.
12. what really happened...
gb ,   mtl   (07.12.06)
Its wrong to judge but what the heck... Doorman/owners both performed an unintentional mitsva by refusing entry... Italian dude did 2 averots. 1 small & 1 big. small: going clubbing (b4 getting married???!?!?!?) big: hillul hashem I hope he donates the dough to charity
13. Kippah in a Tel Aviv bar
charles lugassy ,   Montreal Canada   (07.12.06)
It is outraging to see the kind of treatment that a jew can impose on another jew..and this happens in Israel where we go in order to spend our money because we love Israel...the owners should think twice next time before acting this way..i am disgusted by the owners attitude and by the bouncers answer
14. To bar somebody for a kippah is the stupidest yet.
Andy   (07.12.06)
15. #1 not very observant
James ,   londonistan uk   (07.12.06)
Its a very valid analogy. When arabs are blowing themselves up for fun and clubs and bars have been targeted the fact that arabs have more right to frequent this place than a kippa wearing Jew should be pointed out. Some people seem to live in a bubble and won't accept that the Arabs of Israel are hardly on board in this war. Just listen to the comments of their MKs.
16. to M. from Paris
Alex ,   LA, USA   (07.12.06)
In Israel many young men are with kippa. In USA, many students in the best universities are with kippa. It is not Paris or London. In IDF, in many units most men are with kippa (since secular are minority in IDF). You are living in getto in Paris.
17. You're all wrongheaded; let the true story come out in court
Brana Lobel ,   USA   (07.12.06)
I am amazed at all you posters who presume that your personal opinion is equivalent to Jewish law; each of you individually is not who determines when it is okay to wear a yarmulke (kippah) which is not even a derabbanan obligation. Further, if these bar owners are discriminating toward Jews, they most certainly should not be, and/or if they are selectively carding, they need to be hauled into court. On the face of it, a guy who goes to a lot of bars and decides to sue after speaking to a bouncer and two owners probably has a good case.
18. ynet a waist of time
yaacov ,   ny ny   (07.12.06)
I guess there is no room for an observant jew in your leftist haven. the hate that i read in your talkback is purely disgusting. i had enough of your ynet And stop bugging me to make aliyah
19. That's not the reason
M ,   USA   (07.12.06)
The problem was that they don't like letting groups of guys in so they think up any excuse. I hope he wins though.
20. To Kurt in San Diego:
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT   (07.12.06)
Kurt, are guys who wear kippot not allowed to have a good time? Or are guys who are religious not allowed to wear their kippah outside of the synagogue? Does this sound reasonable, Kurt? It sounds to me that you feel that in order to live a balanced life, you feel that one must wear two hats (no pun intended) - one for when it's suitable to be religious, and the other for partying. Why can't one be himself at all times? If a guy is religous enough to keep his head covered at all times, why would you want to discourage that? The bigger question here is: Why in a country like Israel - the only one we, as Jewish people have, should anyone have a problem anywhere with wearing a kippah? What a sad state we are in. I guess Herzl's dream has materialized. What is it that defines us as Jews then? Is it our noses? Is it our mentality? Our chicken soup? Or is it the actual covenant between us and Hashem? I will leave this question to you to answer. If you have chosen the last answer, then perhaps you should re-read, and re-think your posting. Kol Tov
21. To Karen in the U.S.A.: IGNORANT YOU ARE
(07.12.06)
22. Michael:
(07.12.06)
Why are guys wearing kippot not allowed to have fun?
23. nonsense feedbacks
Sigfried S. Kuhn ,   Aberdeen   (07.12.06)
I can't believe the stupidity of some of the responders to this article. First of all, I saw hundreds of young men wearing Kippas on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem and some of them were going into bars. A bachelor party does not have to be bunch of guys with a stripper. It could be friends having a few drinks and kibbitzing. Second, why was this article in Ynet in the first place?
24. Karen R, 25-year -olds don't ask mother's permission
AK   (07.12.06)
to go out anywhere and with anybody, at least where I come from. They are adults. orthodox cannot go to a club or a bar, according to you? And the bouncer is the one to determine what is appropriate for Orthodox? Strange thinking.
25. who decides what is compatible?
Shoshi ,   London   (07.12.06)
I am surprised to see that people think they can actually decide on whether an orthodox Jew should be entering a bar. its not up to anyone to decide or judge if a religious Jew can go to a club, its a personal choice that everyone has to make for himself, we have no right to judge someone, lets leave the judging up to G'd.
26. Ynet pay attention please!
Aviva ,   Tel Aviv   (07.12.06)
Hello? Can we not use socially loaded words like "selection" in our daily news. To me, a headline like "selection due to kippah" means right or left, life or death --not whether or not you are allowed in to party until you drop. How about using some normal terms like "prejudice against kippahs" or "no kippahs allowed" or something along those lines. The religious settlers are already cheapening the things we associate with the shoah, people bandy the term 'nazi' around for the most banal of obnoxious people, and we, Israelis, are constantly being accused by outside media and sources of 'genocide' and 'ethnic cleansing' (and last I checked, 2,000 odd people does not a genocide or ethnic cleansing make --particularly when most of them were involved in criminal acts that endangered life and limb of others). So please, I know it is trendy to make the selection and murder of 6 million of our not-so-distant family members seem trivial but can we please use more normal terms?
27. he could of asked him to take it of instead of barring him
mish ,   tlv   (07.12.06)
28. #4
Elliott ,   Tel Aviv   (07.12.06)
uh, kurt, maybe you haven't spent much time in Israel or around religious Jews much at all, but the religious among us wear their kippas nearly 24 hours a day, whether they are eating, working, conducting business, and yes, even while partying. for many millions of Jews, the kippa is not just a prayer garment. it is a way of life.
29. Elliot, #28: Well said.
(07.12.06)
30. How fitting
Jew Boy ,   Judea, Israel   (07.12.06)
I don't understand what the problem is. You've spent the last I-don't-know how many years creating a culture in which religious people are at best parasites (even if they work and pay taxes) and at worst enemies to be "taught a lesson" (if they live in the wrong areas of occupied Palestine. So what's the problem if a club weeds out the people your sick society has already declared "undesirable"? How appropriate for this abortion of a country.
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