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Nazareth mayor: How much blood before you negotiate?
Ahiya Raved
Published: 20.07.06, 11:01
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1. What about TV guys? Was this not on national TV?
howard ,   pacific coast, usa   (07.20.06)
You knew that HA were firing rockets at Arab towns. Come on, guys. Nobody should have to tell you to protect your kids.
2. Last month-3'200 civilians killed in Iraq=100per day
Alan ,   SA   (07.20.06)
3. Blame your brothers in Lebanon, not Israel
Ariel ,   Judean Hills   (07.20.06)
Not a peep until a missile actually hit close to home. Then they blame the Jews instead of their Arab brethren... but we didn't expect anything else.
4. Arab Muslims kill Arab Christians: Blame the Jews.
Father Juan   (07.20.06)
Blame the Jews. They are always a good excuse for everyone else's sins.
5. How much of your blood will your Arab brothers spill?
Arik ,   Israel   (07.20.06)
How about if you convince your Arab brothers in Lebanon and Gaza to stop kidnapping Israeli soldiers and committing terrorists acts against Israel? Just more Arab manipulation to avoid taking responsibility for their own sick actions.
6. How do you negotiate with pathological liars ?
Marcel ,   Florida   (07.20.06)
The arab face never admits the truth ,they would rather blame Israel for all their problems.
7. Could Jaraise actually believe you can neogotiate with
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (07.20.06)
terrorists who have sworn to kill you? Is this guy just a mouthpiece for ham-ass and hez-bull-ah or has he been smoking dope, snorting cocaine and injecting heroin?
8. ISLAMIST HATE ATTACKS ON G-D & JEWISH & CHRISTIAN HOLY SITES
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.20.06)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. In the 1948 Islamic invasion of the Jewish Holy Land, Jordan destroyed 58 sacred synagogues in Jerusalem. Since 1996, Rachel's Tomb, near Bethlehem, has been attacked by Muslim snipers, bombs and Molotov cocktails. In October 2000, Muslims torched and destroyed the ancient synagogue in Jericho. In 2005, Muslims desecrated and destroyed sacred Gaza synagogues. Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. Muslims murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. Muslim mobs BURNED BIBLES and Jewish prayer books that gave praise and glory to the One great G-D, and destroyed the Tomb. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES were TORN UP for TOILET PAPER. Inscribed in the Bibles are the Laws G-D gave to Moses; the Laws our Western civilization is founded on: Exodus 20: "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" "You shall not covet" Exodus 21:16 "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 24:17 "If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death" Global Islamo-Fascists seek the total destruction of Western civilization. JERUSALEM is mentioned OVER 800 TIMES in the BIBLE, not once in the Koran. G-D designated the Temple Mount to the Jews for His worship and prayer only. Muslims on the Temple Mount repeatedly engage in massive rock throwing at Jews, turning the HOLIEST place on earth into a common place of violence! Muslims have perpetrated massive desecration and destruction at Judaism's HOLIEST site, the Temple Mount. The OFFENSE to G-D is enormous! The Temple Mount must be returned to its Jewish owners immediately!
9. RUTHLESS PERSECUTION DRIVES OUT PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.20.06)
A Christmas without Christians By Abraham H. Miller FrontPageMagazine.com | December 16, 2005 Since the Palestinian Authority’s takeover of Bethlehem in 1995, under the Oslo Accords with Israel, Bethlehem has been transformed from a Christian city into a Muslim city. Bethlehem’s remaining Christians now live in a condition of dhimmitude (a reference to the second-class citizenship Islam imposes on Christians) in the city of Jesus’ birth. The Palestinians brought with them a political system based on primitive tribal relations, where the power of one’s clan became a substitute for the law. As a consequence, Christians have suffered civil outrage and criminal violence without recourse to justice. Christians have been refusing to live under these conditions and have been leaving Bethlehem in large numbers. ....the Orwellian message of the American Arab Anti-discrimination Committee (AADC) that held a candle lighting vigil on November 29, 2005 for Bethlehem’s Christians at San Francisco’s Union Square... Muslims in Bethlehem make the lives of Christians unbearable and force them to flee their ancestral homes while Muslims in America hold a vigil to blame the Jews. To understand how the Christians became a minority and the victims of thuggery in the city of Jesus’ birth, it is important to see just what Arafat did to Bethlehem once he got his hands on it. In 1995, Yasser Arafat gained control of Bethlehem and immediately expanded its municipal boundaries to include 30,000 Muslims living in neighboring refugee camps. Next, Muslim Bedouins living east of Bethlehem were incorporated into revised municipal boundaries. All this was still not enough for the PA to change the status of Bethlehem as a Christian city. But then Arafat created inducements for Muslims to leave Hebron and the area around it and move to Bethlehem. With Arafat’s government by clan, by gun, and by terror, a land Mafia developed that began expropriating land from Christians. In 2002, two Christian teenage sisters were found with their throats slit and their genitals mutilated. Muslims claimed the Amer sisters were prostitutes, as if that were justification for torture and murder. But Christians familiar with similar incidents claim the girls were murdered to cover up a gang rape. Of course, none of this appears in the AADC’s call for the candlelight vigil that is also designed to showcase the AADC’s divestment campaign against Israel. Indeed, just this week, the Vatican, in a rare diplomatic move, called publicly on the Israelis to intervene in Bethlehem on behalf of its severely receding Christian population. Now totaling less than 12% of Bethlehem’s population, Christians, who have been the targets of continual PA violence, might leave entirely. The result will be that in the place where Jesus was born there will no longer be a Christian community. In the West Bank town of Taibe marauding Muslims burned, looted and beat Christian residents in the name of a Muslim family’s “honor,” a family whose father had brutally beaten his daughter to death for wanting to marry a Christian. The violent Muslim mob burned a statue of the Virgin Mary and shouted, “Burn the Crusaders!” PA fire and security forces took their time arriving on the scene, appearing hours later. In the end, the mob was almost immediately released from jail. Meanwhile, the Christian fiancée of the murdered woman was arrested and beaten while incarcerated. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20567
10. To Linda Rivera
A Lebanese Christian ,   Lebanon   (07.20.06)
Please, open not only your eyes, but your minds & your hearts. I am a Lebanese christian. In our civil war, we have suffered from the Palestinians more than you can imagine. We have been suffering from Huzballah more than you can realize. And now we are paying the price for what our deadliset enemies did to Israel. There is nothing that makes us happier than seeing the palestinians & shiite militia completely dismantled. But will we live to enjoy that?. Why is Israel targetting us all? Remember, more than half of the lebanese never wanted HIzballah. But if it is taking so long for the IDF to wipe them out, what do you think WE can do to get them out of Lebanon? For more than a year the Lebanese government has been trying to convince the armed Palestinians at least to keep their weapons inside their camps. The results were 2 bloody incidents where innocent civilians were killed in retaliation. With Syria & Iran backing them, & nobody backing us, we are totally helpless. We are not "pussies", as some keep saying in this poster. During the civil war, the Lebanese christians defended themselves & fought very savage battles & won. I lost a dear freind on the battle front. But we were made to lay down our weapons. After we did, Hizballah & the Palestinians refused to do it. And now here we are, being bombarded so heavily by Israel. Maybe Israel & the rest of the world feel that it's ok to allow a million christians to die, if they can get rid of Hizbullah. Do you think it's ok? Is there any other method to "selectively" reduce Hizbullah to a harmless miltant group, without killing everybody else in Lebanon, & creating a more powerful & more terrorist bunch of Shiites after the war, for several generations to come.
11. To Linda Rivera, again
A lebanese christian   (07.20.06)
In the civil war that ravaged Lebanon from 1975 to 1990, more than 150000 were killed, most of them christians. There are more than half a million handicapped. Not to mention the destruction & material loses. We fought very bravely. Our fight was against Israel's worst ennemies, the Palestinians, & the radical muslims supporting them. And now Israel is punishing us. It's like to get a sniper on the roof of a building, you destroy the whole building with all those inside it, knowing that by that time the sniper might be gone. WE don't have the military power of the Palestinians or Hizbullah, not the mention Syria & Iran, all combined together against us. We certainly don't have the military power of Israel. If we had any military power at all, we would have never had Palestinians, Syrians or any islamists among us. We would have retaliated against Israel agression. We might even have helped Israel get rid of the vermine in our country, but we don't have this power. We are as powerless as those innocent civilians who died, not knowing why, on September 11, in the suicidal bombings in Israel's cities, in Irak, in India, in London, & a lot more coming. To those who say that no negotiations are possible with terrorists, I say negotiation is posiible. As long as you don't beleive them!. Just play their game. And get them when they least expect it. NOt when they are ready for you.
12. DEAR LEBANESE CHRISTIAN
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (07.21.06)
Do not pay any attention to the disgusting insults made to you. Some people come to this site to insult and lie - their hearts are filled with hatred. In the civil war that ravaged Lebanon from 1975-1990, massive numbers were killed - most of them Christians. Lebanese Christians were BETRAYED in being made to lay down their weapons! As you state, "after we did, Hizbullah and the "Palestinians" refused to do it." Who were the people responsible for deceiving the Christians in this wicked BETRAYAL? You asked in your comment if I think it is okay that Christians should die. I certainly don't think that it is ok that innocent Christians should die. There are always innocent civilian deaths in war. It is very sad. In an unprovoked act of war, Israel has been attacked from Lebanon. Israel must defend herself! Islamists throughout the Middle East and beyond, seek the destruction of Israel and a second Holocaust of Jews! In an act of great hatred towards the Jewish people, Israelis were also wickedly BETRAYED and were forced to take PLO TERRORISTS as "peace" partners through Oslo! It is evident, the terrorists have many powerful non-Muslims who support the terrorists and their goals - THERE IS NO WAR ON TERROR! They call the war against the Jews, the peace process! Only G-D can bring true and everlasting peace to this world and He has promised that He will do so in the future. The evil ones will never again hurt another human being. Man's kingdom of violence and massive idol worship of 'power and control' will come to an end. The G-D of Israel - Master of the Universe - is the hope of millions. The G-D who is merciful not in mere word - but merciful in acts and deeds of compassion. The G-D whose love is amazing - whose forgiveness is amazing. The G-D whose requirement for all humanity is KINDNESS: Bible, Micah 6:8 And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D.
13. To Linda Rivera
Lebanese Christian   (07.22.06)
I feel I should make some comments to what you told me in your reply 1st: Thak you for understanding our ( christian Lebanese) position. 2nd: Thank you for feeling the same disgust I felt regarding the insults, & hatred in all the posted comments. 3rd: I have always been aginst " confessionalism". I was in the US ( Miami ) for 5 years during my training as a doctor. Most of my closest freinds were jewish. Back to Lebanon, I also have close Moslem freinds. I never considered religion to be a pre requisite for freindship. Good people are good, regardless of their religion. And innocent people are innocent regardless of their religion. ANd right now, innocent people, children, ON BOTH SIDES, are being unnecessarily killed, slaughtered. It is hatred & evil, that is giving orders to kill, ON BOTH SIDES. I had felt the same sadness & sorrow that I felt for the death of lebanese innocent civilians, when I read about the man who was killed by Hizbullah in Haifa while he was trying to get something for his little daughter, about the 2 liitle boys who were also killed in Haifa, not because they were Arabs, but because they were innocent people. Let me ask you! Do you know what will happen to all those homeless people & children? They will grow to be full of hatred & we will have thousands of Nasrallah's & Bin Laden's to deal with in the next 10-20 years. I cannot accept that justice for a few can be acheived by the killing of many ( ON BOTH SIDES ) I can't beleive that there is no place for diplomacy to solve ANY problem. Hatred creates hatred. Killing creates killing. And Love creates Love. People are not bad because they are Moslem or jews or christians ... They are bad and evil because they were made to be so. We all beleive in God ( I don't know why you don't write the full word, but only G-D. I apologize if I'm not supposed to do it!!!). As you said G-D is the hope, the mercy, the compassion, the forgiveness. WHy are the killings, ON BOTH SIDES, are done in the name of GOD?? We may have different religion, but we have this one common GOD, the God we love & worship, the God who wants us to love each other. I beleive the greatest & the deadliest weapon against evil is love. Let's use it.
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