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Peretz: Bombing villages won't stop rocket fire
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 08.08.06, 12:41
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1. Listen to Dan Yatom!!!!
Yaffa ,   Israel   (08.08.06)
He knows better!
2. It was obvious since the day one...
(08.08.06)
Israel want to occupay Lebanon!
3. To the Jewish People...
Norway ,   With love of Norway   (08.08.06)
This is the Stone... And David put his hand in his bag and took thence a stone and slung it and smote the Philistine in his forehead and the stone sank into his forehead and he fell upon his face to the earth So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone and smote the Philistine and slew him but there was no sword in the hand of David... 1.Samuel 17 It's called Knowledge of G*d... It is the Wisdom speaking... Doth not wisdom call... and understanding put forth her voice... In the top of high places by the way where the paths meet, she standeth... my voice is to the sons of men... Hear, for I will speak excellent things and the opening of my lips shall be right things... For my mouth shall utter truth... All the words of my mouth are in righteousness... They are all plain to him that understandeth... and right to them that find knowledge... Receive my instruction and knowledge... For wisdom is better than rubies... I wisdom dwell with prudence and find out knowledge of devices... Counsel is mine and sound wisdom... I am understanding... power is mine... I love them that love me and those that seek me earnestly shall find me... My fruit is better than gold and my produce than choice silver... I walk in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of justice... That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance... and that I may fill their treasuries... The L*RD made me as the beginning of His way... the first of His works of old... I was set up from everlasting... from the beginning, or ever the earth was... When there were no depths, I was brought forth when there were no fountains abounding with water... Before the mountains were settled before the hills was I brought forth... While as yet He had not made the earth nor the fields, nor the beginning of the dust of the world... When He established the heavens... I was there... when He set a circle upon the face of the deep... When He made firm the skies above... when the fountains of the deep showed their might... When He gave to the sea His decree... that the waters should not transgress His commandment... when He appointed the foundations of the earth... Then I was by Him, as a nursling... and I was daily all delight... playing always before Him... Playing in His habitable earth... and my delights are with the sons of men... hearken ye unto me... for happy are they that keep my ways... For who so findeth me... findeth life... and obtaineth favour of the L*RD... Proverbs 8 :-) Why don't you share it with us? WHO SHALL )))))) PICK UP THE STONE ?(((((((
4. very interessting ITW
KIRO4 ,   Germany   (08.08.06)
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html
5. Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
The Phoenix ,   Lebanon   (08.08.06)
I will fear no evil : for thou art with me(...) The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures, he leadeth me beside the still waters." (The 23rd Psalm) الربّ راعيّ فلا يعوزني شيء، في مراع خضرٍ يربضني، إلى مياه الراحة يوردني.(...) أيضاً إذا سرت في وادي ظلّ الموت، لا أخاف شرّاً لأنّك أنت معي L'Éternel est mon berger : je ne manquerai de rien. Il me fait reposer dans de verts pâturages, il me dirige près des eaux paisibles.(...) Quand je marche dans la vallée de l'ombre de la mort je ne crains aucun mal car tu es avec moi
6. Question?
Z ,   Lebanon   (08.08.06)
Dear All, i have been reading through this website since the unfortuante war errupted in the region. i have read some good talkbacks and read some unbelievebly baised and full of hate talkbacks. this is not the issue, but it gave me an idea of how you people think. i have read some talk backs for some arabs who support Hizbolla, am lebanese and i dont support them at all, but there is an issue we need to raise here, some of you people do not want the lebanese army to be deployed in the south, some of you want to through huge bombs over Beirut, others want to kill all muslims, some seek peace, some are blind of racism and hatred, lots make fun of islam, and mock the prophet, how can we live or make peace when there is a huge sect in Israel seeking more destruction for lebanon, how can we seek religious peace if you make fun of arabs who are your own blood and race and of their religion. we never mock the jews, we never said anything bad on your prophets because they are ours too. you dont want the lebanese army to be deployed, you want to kill as many lebanese as you can and still you ask for peace with the lebanese, do you think we will ever forgive you for the massacres you have done, by your killing and destruction you are raising new generations who hate jews guts and wish they can eleminate them from the surface of the earth. you admit killing civilians or i think you call them Collateral Damage, do you think they believe that there brothers or mothers are collateral damage all they know that israel killed them, for now you killed a 1000 and more hoiw many more ? some talk backs i rear where sooooooo inhuman, some said Terrorist children must die, Hizbolla is 90 percent of the south, can you kill them all, i doubt we know and you know that, you survived hitler, we survived yourattacks and palestinians also survived, and in the end no one won, hitler lost the war, you killed civilians and got no where in destroying hizbolla infra structure, even the United States cant finish hizbolla, they are te south, we cant also as lebanese. i wish you were in our place so you could know and feel what we are talking about. even if i am against hizbolla, but i cant see all these people getting slaughtered, and be agianst them, all the lebanese are with them for now, until this ends (Hopefully), they are our people our blood, maybe there agenda is not 100 percent lebanese but you wouldnt agree on seeing your own blood killed and destroyed. lets say some of the israeli jews committed a mistake and others started killing them, you will not leave their cause instaed you will support them because of the brutality of your enemy right? why dont you want to cease fire, trust me when i say hizbolla will never shoot any rockets when there is a ceasefire, it has been six years and both violated the blue line but never reached the destruction phase that we have raeched now, ask the people of northern israel they would like to have these old days, we also do, stop war cause we are getting no where, i know that some guy will give me a lecture in his talk back, and try to prove a point, but still i am getting nowhere and he is getting nowhere.
7. #3 - What do you suggest?
Scott ,   Haifa   (08.08.06)
What can a citizen do but pray for his government that God gives them an ear to hear and wisdom, so that they will not put a band-aide on an incurable wound of Hizballah. If they choose not to eliminate the infection at this time it will come back. Now what?
8. GOD BLESS U "Z". 100% TRUE
The Phoenix ,   Lebanon   (08.08.06)
9. Z
oscar ,   australia   (08.08.06)
Before you condemn the Jews, ask yourself why hizbollah created such an army which mobilised on Israels borders? Israel never threatened to annex any Lebanese territory, they have been watching the build up of hizbollah for years, and finally hizbollah acted, which caused this latest conflict. Put your blame on hizbollah for all the innocent civilians that were killed, and no Israel does not target any civilians but if these hizbollah people operate from civilian territory than it is natural for Israel to remove them by all possible means. Remember..........if hizbollah were not there, there would be peace in Lebanon, in secure borders.
10. This is a war for Israeli Expansion
Marc ,   Perth   (08.08.06)
You kill children and you say that you must be more moral? The animal like logic of Israel’s distorted self-image and racist doctrines is exposed beyond confusion by reality. This is another attempt to expand the borders of Israel. This is the reality of Israel’s national doctrine, the direct outcome of its racist worldview. This military campaign has nothing to do with Hezbollah's threat. The present plan, which was drawn up more than a year ago is designed to establish a new northern border for Israel at the Litani River and create an “Israel-friendly” regime in Beirut.
11. Z, Well said, Bravo
Peter ,   Paris   (08.08.06)
What you wrote, i guess, is the ultimate true situation & reality in Lebanon. however, Israelis don't give a damn with this reality. They have an agenda ,agreed upon with the US, to dismantle the Middle East. and they are implemeting this strategy. Iraq de facto dimantling is the first example and the rest of the countries are following. Hope they will not achiver that, and the stution will backfire on them. Bush- Sharon- Olmert will always be remembered as the worst evil troika ever witnessed in history.
12. PERETZ STATEMENT
Peter ,   Paris   (08.08.06)
I consider Peretz statement at the Labour party MK meeting as a confession for WAR CRIMINAL ACTS. He confessed the targeting of villages & civilian areas & the killings of innocent child & women. He & Olmert & Halutz must be brought to justice & prosecuted at a special war crime tribunal or at La Hague.
13. Morality is the backbone of Israel. Without it we're nothing
Proud Grandpa ,   www.KingArik.net   (08.08.06)
14. TO #6, Z in Lebanon
L ,   Israel   (08.08.06)
Hi Z - I also read all the talkbacks. And yes, some are unbelievably stupid and inhuman from both sides, however I think 99% of these horrible comments come from people outside of the Middle East, and have absolutely no idea what you or I or anyone here is going thru. I can tell you the big majority of Israelis want this to end. We want to live quietly and in peace with you. The reason we (Israel) keeps on fighting is the fear that if we don't, in another 5 or 10 years, there will be the same type of war, just 100 time worse. Now I read that Lebanon will deploy 15,000 troops along the border. Why didn't they do this in the first place? How did Hezbollah get to be where they are today? If only Lebanon had stuck to what they originally promised the UN and the world, we would not be in this mess today. Of course, that is easy for me to say... I am sure the Lebanese government had HUGE amounts of pressure from Hezbollah NOT to protect the border. Listen, I am not trying to give you a lecture at all. We both want this to stop, and I am sure you and I could be good friends. As an Israeli, I always saw Lebanon and the Lebanese people the most similar to us in many ways. I always thought if there was really hope for peace with one country in the Middle East, it would be between our countries. The bottom line is, Hezbollah must be stopped. It cannot be that someone comes into our country, crossing an internationally recognized border, kills 8 soldiers and kidnaps another 2.... this cannot and should not happen. Israel left Lebanon 6 years ago!! What does Hezbollah want from our lives? Why didn't they just leave us alone and live in peace??? I also don't see how Hezbollah is good for Lebanon, and I believe they must be stopped there too. Correct me if I am wrong. I think there is only one winner here right now, and that is Nasrallah, who is sitting happily in his bunker, drinking his tea, watching people being killed on both sides all around him.
15. Big Idiot
Israeli   (08.08.06)
50 precents(and iam sure more) of the bunkers which the Hizbullah terrorists live in are located under those villages. Tashtiah(I mean make all this villages like a rug) this villages and the bunkers are destroyed, the civillians which those building are belong to them got a stright order to evacuate. The ones who prefer to stay - their blood is on their own heads! They cry that we destroy their villages? they shouldn't have suppurted Hizbullah from the beginning!
16. Israel needs New prime & defense Ministers Urgent
N B Shalom   (08.08.06)
17. To # 14, "L" & Ehud in Hiroshima
The Phoenix ,   Lebanon   (08.08.06)
well done my friend. these talkbacks need people like u and Z. We can start our own peace dialogues right here. i already have an israeli friend & we're talking about peace everytime. & u're right, those outside israel & lebanon have no idea of what's really going on, yet they express their thoughts with the most inhuman ways. i wonder how would they think if they were really under attack, what a shame. Ehud in Hiroshima, join us too. thank u
18. #6 Z - No lecture
Scott   (08.08.06)
Z, I did agree with some of your message. But I have this to say too. Hezbollah have cleverly obscured themselves and blended into Lebanon. We never actually see their soldiers, but we all know they are there. Hezbollah has Israel confused. This is why Beirut and its people have suffered, because the ‘target’ is not clear , but what is clear is that lethal forces are coming from your country and killing their people too, not as many, but still one is too many as you may agree. So, in the face of this – Israel finds itself frustrated because all its big military can’t find and eliminate the target without hurting you guys. They also know that whatever move they make – it will be the wrong move , but they cant sit by while their own people get slaughtered too. I don’t mind laying the entire blame for all of this situation at the feet of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. They are very, very clever – not “stupid Arabs” as some people say. But they are also the worst of humankind; they are lower than shit, using your country to stage their fight. They have engineered very cleverly and dictated how any war will be fought to remove Israel’s advantage, knowing full well that Israel will get the blame for everything that goes wrong – and it sure has as you know well. Nobody with a brain or half a heart can be happy with what has happened to your country. No one.
19. #14 L - GREAT POST - YOU SAID IT ALL.
Ertok   (08.08.06)
20. to #15
tariq ,   Beirut   (08.08.06)
check the link of #4. It is very interesting. You don't seem to comprehend the fact that Hizbollah is not something that is imposed on the Lebanese. They are the Lebanese. Nothing is created from void. every comes from something. have a memory a little bit longer than 4 weeks!! How was AlQaeda created? by whom? let me spare ur time and give u the answer : by the US to fight the soviet.. now it turned on them. Hizbullah exists to fight an accupying army.. first the marines and now the IDF.. Hizbullah is all the people of the South and most of the people of Lebanon. and forget what ur media is telling you.. hizbullah is more popular in Lebanon, the Arab, and the Muslim world more than ever before.. and Israel is a terrorist state in the eyes of the world more than ever before.. u keep invading us.. and rockets will keep flying south. if they managed to stop them now our children (or whatever remains of them!) will do the same in 20 years. the only difference is that the weapons by then would be much more destructive to both sides! put some sense into ur heads and stop this now!!!
21. Peretz - PR PROPAGANDIST Spokesperson for Israel's ENEMIES
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.08.06)
Vicious, unprovoked acts of war were made from Lebanon. Israel fights a defensive war for her survival against her many enemies who seek her annihilation The IDF and IAF are the most moral military in the entire world. Courageous IDF soldiers have risked their lives and been killed many times because Israeli government policy places the lives of civilians above the lives of precious IDF soldiers. Mr. Peretz, your statement is despicable. You owe an apology to the people of Israel and the IDF and IAF who you are demoralizing and slandering before the entire world.
22. WHICH COUNTRY is PERETZ DEFENSE MINISTER FOR?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (08.08.06)
Past experience prove Islamists lie about the number of civilians wounded and killed. Less Israelis get killed than Lebanese because Israel does not use Israeli civilians as human shields. Israel protects her citizens: over one million Israelis now live in bomb shelters - U.S. intelligence sources report Hizbullah has launched more than 4,000 missiles, unguided rockets and mortars at Israel. Hizbullah, Hamas, PLO/PA et al, always target Jewish civilians. Israel warned Qana residents repeatedly by leaflets and radio to leave the area - 150 rockets were launched from Qana - these rockets killed 18 Israelis and wounded hundreds. Hamas and Hizbullah fight the proxy war against Israel for Syria and Iran. United with Lebanon whose Prime Minister Siniora on July 30, 2006, publicly thanked terrorist Hizbullah for its sacrifices in the war against Israel. YNETNEWS (07.30.06) Lebanese PM thanks Hizbullah for 'sacrifices' http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283763,00.html Iran's proxy, Hizbullah, ruthlessly uses Lebanese civilians as human shields to protect rocket launching teams - setting up rockets and other weapons in basements of apartment blocks, schools and mosques. Iran's proxy, Hizbullah despicably shoots from inside mosques, hospitals and schools in south Lebanon. Images show Iran's proxy, Hizbullah using high-density residential areas to launch rockets: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html Global jihadists - Iran's proxy, Hizbullah's evil goal is the murder of every Jew. On October 22, 2002, Nasrallah told Lebanon's Daily Star: "If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide." The purpose of the PLO as enshrined in its charter is the destruction of Israel. PLO terrorists were wickedly implanted into Israel through Oslo peace accords. Suicide human bomb killers continuously attempt to infiltrate Israel's cities. The Hamas Charter states: "Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims... Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it..." Murderous Iran states repeatedly they intend to wipe Israel off the map - Iran is dangerously close in achieving nuclear capability to execute their genocidal goal. Hamas and Hizbullah proxies fight Iran's war against Israel and all humanity - a global jihad with its ultimate goal the entire world subjugated under Islamic rulers - Israel's fight for freedom and human rights is a fight for freedom and human rights for all nations.
23. After What ?? You already killed 1000 inocents !
Jane ,   France   (08.08.06)
24. stripped of their dignity
(08.08.06)
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/09E078AF-B4F8-49B5-B0F6-502F37EF031C.htm
25. to 14
(08.08.06)
dude if israel dont like a un resolution they dont go by it, like the one which says they must leave the land which belongs to lebanon, have they left? no, so dont talk about other countries not following resolutions. Israel isnt a special country they should not be excluded from following resolutions.
26. Hezbollah is beating the idf
(08.08.06)
to 15, your a dumbass, hezbollah have pipes leading from the south of lebanon all the way across the borders to the east, so it leads from south to south east to east. and they cant be dystroyed, even the people that made them (germans) have said they cant be dystroyed. They spent 6 YEARS training on how to enter and exit the pipes as quickly as possible, thats why israel is having trouble fighting hezbollah cause they come up out of nowhere. And look to show you how smart hezbollah are, the first village israel said they took hezbollah left and let them take it, then hezbollah came from behind and killed them. Why did hezbollah leave it for them to take? because if israeli soldiers are in there the planes WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BOMB OR THEY WOULD KILL THERE OWN SOLDIERS. By allowing them to come in they can they have a ground on ground attack which favours hezbollah.
27. #6 - Well said Z!
Mary ,   London   (08.08.06)
You have spoken the voice of reason and morality - I hope others will learn from you.
28. in answer to #6's question
FED UP ,   Haifa, Israel   (08.08.06)
Wake up and smell the coffee! You seem intelligent! I have a question for you "Z , Lebanon": Do you really think that the IDF is targeting civilians? Have you stopped to think about that? If the IDF were targeting civilians... why is it you are still alive enough to post talkbacks? Why is it that you still have power and an internet connection? Is it because the IDF cant reach you? For everyone that hasn't understood my point: Israels IDF is a very powerful weapon and if they wanted to target civilians you wouldn't be claiming 1000 (though the Red Cross claims 400) dead after 3 weeks! You wouldn't be 1st bombed with leaflets telling you to leave to the north to a safer place! and you wouldn't have power, and water and anything else that you still have! Israel is doing its utmost to minimize civilians deaths, injuries, and suffering! The IDF could wipe Lebanon off the map if they wanted. But instead they are trying to save the lives of the 2 soldiers that were kidnapped and the lives of the soldiers looking for them, and the lives of the civilians (including myself) in the Northern 1/3 of Israel. My 2nd point is in 2 parts: If Hizbullah would come out and fight fair there would be no "collateral damage" in the way of civilians! If Hizbullah would let the civilians flee to the north there would be much less "collateral damage"! If the civilians would stop Hizbullah from shooting their rockets from right next to their houses or parking the launchers in their garages there would be no "collateral damage"! If the civilians would learn from what has happened and take the IDF warnings seriously and head north there would be no "collateral damage". And finally IF HIZBULLAH WOULDN'T BE SO CHICKEN AND PUT ON ARMY UNIFORMS YOU MIGHT NOT BE COUNTING 1000 DEAD CIVILIANS SINCE 600 OF THEM ARE HIZBULLAH FIGHTERS!!! But since they are in civilian clothes then they are counted as civilians. What is wrong with the world? Do you really need people like me to spell it out in such simple terms for you to understand it? Israel is not attacking Lebanon! Israel is acting in self defense! Yes the IDF is using a lot of force, but this is to save future lives and conflicts that will be brought upon us all here in the Middle East if countries like Iran and Syria are left to do as they please and use the innocent Lebanese people as shields for their dirty work! Stand up freedom loving peoples of the world and let your voice be heard before some tyrannical Koran (miss)quoting lunatic cuts your head off. And let me just remind everyone of the Hizbullah tactics of using UNICEF painted trucks ti kidnap innocent Israeli soldiers on OUR side of the INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BORDER! And the UN video tape cover up of evidence. I wish for peace! Innocent blood should not be shed on either side by either side! But think carefully before you start pointing the finger in the wrong direction! What do you think? If I were firing missiles at you from within my civilian population... would you not try your best to attack my launchers to protect your country, family, friends and freedom EVEN if you though there was a chance that you might kill some civilians? Think about it! The Lebanese government and people have had 6 years to deploy their army and take control of the south, why didn't you do it?? Why should Israel have to pay the price for you all sitting on your asses? Who is responsible? You threw the Syrian occupiers out, but you forgot some of them in the south! So what if they help the population and build schools and all the other "good" stuff they did to win the local support. Was the Hizbullahs financial help really worth it in the long run? Take control and responsibility for your land! Make your own decisions and be willing to pay the price for them! If I were you I would want Syria and Iran to fight their own wars! and while they are hiding behind me! Good luck and stay safe! I have nothing against you!
29. thanks GOD for shelters!
schulz ,   bad germany   (08.08.06)
He said he ordered the Israel Defense Forces to mull a plan to occupy launching pads used by Hizbullah to fire short-range rockets at Israel. The occupation of south Lebanon, Peretz said, has three main objectives: 'cleaning up the territory of weapons,' the disarmament of Hizbullah , the return of the two kidnapped soldiers, and giving Israel enough territorial flexibility to defense itself against attacks. "The IDF's job is to allow the home front to live normally. The job of the political system is to achieve diplomatic gains," Peretz said. ********************************* Its good written! But thanks GOD for shelters! Thinking to afghanistan! Shelters are to save peoples a little! Than you without shelters at war life, than can you say: I am ready to death!
30. do i have to write something here?
D ,   israel   (08.08.06)
I as well was appalled at some horrific savage talkbacks posted here, it was particularly coming from those who do not have to suffer the situation here..
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