Please note that H. felt it was necessary to rewrite the scriptures. They did not support his agenda "as is". Barbarous people cannot relate to Holy Scriptures. “…which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.” 2pet 3:16 Tom USA

Paqid, I don't understand your point, esp. about cultic, denominational, comic book sources, especially since we haven't discussed sources between us. MY POINT: Assuming that Cathoicism and Christianity are the same thing is not historucally born out. A divergence took place a long time ago between a faith based for the most part on the Hebrew Scriptures/New Testament, and a tradition-based Catholicism with extra-Biblical authority and non-Biblical beliefs. The split is real, but the "other" side is not Protestantism, which often retained much of Catholic belief. So concerning Hitler, given that the papacy hardly exhibited "Christian" behaviour in his day or now, he was steeped in paganism any way you look at it. Many (not all) friends of Israel are sola scriptura Christians, and even if we disagree with them on many points, they should be differentiated from the long and bloody anti-Semitism of Catholics and main-stream Protestants. Catholicism helped make Hitler possible-but obviously that is not the entire story. Catholic belief is codified and can be seen and studied for all its contrast to primitive Christianity.

hitler, arafat, nasrallah, iran crasy president, and other terrorist shoud be taken out from humanity

The Southern Baptist will go to any lengths to convert Jews to Christianity. Like Paqid the born again Southern Baptist who masquerades as an Orthodox Jew. Paqid is it truth you are the main speaker at the Southern Baptist Convention in 07??

#27 MARCEL. EINSTEIN, A JEW, BELIEVED IN HASHEM.

was sacrificed, instead if Isaac; and Jerusalem became islam's holy site, when convenient.

"He became very angry and thus started to hate the Jews?!!!" As if he woke up and decided to hate them. Silly you. They fought him left and right until he decided to kick them out of the Arabic Peninsula..This is why up until 1948,we all used to live in PEEEAAAACCCCCEEEEEE..

First, you don't agree with me at all because you haven't so much as any awareness that the "Yeshua" you cite cannot refer to both the historical Pharisee Torah teacher and the 4th-century anti-Torah Jesus of Christianity. Study and digest the Netzarim website and you'll learn new horizons you aren't even aware of. Whether or not you agree with the definition of Christianity doesn't change the definition of Christianity, which is defined by the authority of the Church and its authorities, whether that be Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Protestant - something that Christians can dispute among themselves. As you would have known had you studied and digested our website, your earliest historian, Eusebius, recorded that the original Jews who followed Ribi Yehoshua, the Netzarim, rejected the gentile Hellenist Roman NT. The only text that the Netzarim accepted as Scripture was, and remains, Torah. The NT is NOT Scripture and is irrelevant to any discussion with the Netzarim or any other legitimate Jew. Neither do you concur with me on what it takes to be saved. Reread my previous message. I described what Christians believe, NOT what I believe. So we do NOT concur here. I accept what Scripture teaches. It may interest you to learn that your earliest historian, Eusebius, also documented that the Netzarim excised Paul as an apostate. Quoting Paul, from the NT, is doubly meaningless. As a former Baptist preacher who has debated Christianity with Christian seminarians for decades, I know the Christian faith better than you will ever learn it. I translated the entire NT from ALL of the earliest extant source documents up through the 4th century and have written the definitive reconstruction of the only account of Ribi Yehoshua accepted by the Netzarim: Hebrew Matityahu. So please don't presume that you know better. You don't. As for whom ha-Sheim looks upon favorably Torah is absolutely, crystal clear: those who do their utmost - with all their heart and all of their soul - to keep Torah. You don't. Learn Prov. 28.9. BTW, Torah instructs (Dt. 13.1-6) that Zekharyah couldn't possibly have referred to the Christian, and antinomian, J*esus. I read both the Scriptures in Hebrew and have translated the Christian NT in its entirety from the earliest extant source docs. I was born and brought up in Christianity, went to Hampden DuBose Academy elite Christian boarding school of evangelists, missionaries and preachers (Billy Graham's daughter attended HAD) and was a Baptist preacher. I saw the contradictions in the NT and the many impossibilities of its teachings, which led me to renounce J*esus and Christianity and convert (Orthodox) to Judaism. Today, I'm an Orthodox Jew. That's what happens when someone GENUINELY "understand[s] the [dis]connection between Judaism and Christianity." But it can lead to peace if you choose to follow the AUTHENTIC - Torah - teachings of the authentic Ribi Yehoshua instead of the 4th-century, polar opposite, Hellenist Roman counterfeit - J*esus. Read our website and get an education. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Pre-first of all, I just finished the last paragraph and noticed that you are doing some sincere seeking, for which I want to get started off by commending you for that. Keep this up and you'll get the answers you need. First of all, there is no definition of "sin" in the NT. If you think it's sin then it is and if you don't think it's sin then, ah well, J*esus will forgive it. While taught by the Roman Catholic Church as a recommended thing, neither confession nor repentance is required for salvation. This is even more pronounced among Protestants. The only Scriptures that the historical Ribi Yehoshua ever knew was Torah. So you should be obeying that. But you don't. That makes your entire argument is sanctimony you neither obey nor confess nor repent but you would say you are saved. I don't "assume" that Protestants have the freedom to interpret as (s)he wishes, that's the fact. Christians call it the "Holy Spirit," though the Christian version, contravening Torah, is most unholy. By contrast, the only contradiction you offer is your own unfounded assertion "You're wrong that..." Similarly, you bald-facedly declare "they are not saved and cannot be Christians." Who made you pope? If the 10 Commandments were part of Christian doctrine Christians would have to keep Shabbat. They don't. They would also have to explain why the 10 Commandments but it's ok to contradict everything else the Unchanging Almighty instructed in Torah. There's two pages of contradictions that prove Christianity wrong in one of my books. No seminarian has offered any credible disputation in nearly half a century - because there is no credible disputation to any of them. They are right. Scripture doesn't support your assertions. Your earliest Church historian, Eusebius, documented that the original followers of Ribi Yehoshua, the Netzarim, rejected the NT, including the "Gospels" you cite as authority, and excised Paul the Apostate. You haven't read any of the Scripture. It's Hebrew. If you want to get your head straight then I commend you. Our website is the only place you're going to find the information you need to do that. It's set up to educate people like you who are seeking to find their way through the Roman Hellenist deceptions to the genuine, Torah-teaching Ribi Yehoshua. Come learn. Scripture, which applies only to Israel (Jews and geirim - see my website for details), requires obedience - to Scripture, not to alien doctrines (e.g. Hellenist Roman gentile man-god idolatry, etc.). You have some right ideas, but every one of your right ideas relate to Torah and Judaism that would require renunciation of Christianity and the Hellenist man-god, J*esus. You're not likely to understand that until you digest our website. Your last paragraph is particularly encouraging. You can learn in our website everything you need to know. Keep up your sincere seeking. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

There is no escaping that true Christianity and J*esus are as defined by the Christian Church, whether you accept Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or some Protestant offspring. If you disagree with these definitions then you need to look somewhere other than Christianity to find truth. These antinomian institutions are all PROVEN, by a large and ever-growing list of eminent historians, to be the diametric antithesis of the 1st-century Torah-teaching Jew from Nazareth. The NT, teaching supersession - displacement theology - is an impossible contradiction of Torah and leads its believers NOT to Torah but, instead, to 4th-century Roman gentile Hellenism of a man-god and similar idolatry intractably incompatible with Torah. You must choose: Christianity, J*esus and NT or, le-havdil, Torah. You cannot serve two polar-opposite masters. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

I've studied historians from modern to the earliest extant Christian historians. Your assertion that Catholicism isn't Christianity or Christianity isn't Catholicism contradicts every one of them without exception. To call your view "deep history" is the epitome of ridiculousness. Original - "primitive" if you will - Christianity derives from 135 C.E. Roman Hellenism and dates no earlier than Paul the Apostate at its earliest. The apostasy of proto-Christianity culminated in the Roman Catholic Church of the 4th century. I'm well aware of the divergence that erupted centuries later, first with the split between Roman and Eastern Empires and, centuries later, with Protestantism, etc. These splits are millennia too late to even be relevant. While you clearly don't know enough about either to appreciate the self-contradiction, the phrase "Hebrew Scriptures/New Testament" is an oxymoron. Furthermore, no branch of Christianity can be honestly described as based on Hebrew Scriptures. You are immersed in wishful thinking. Since the only Scripture that Ribi Yehoshua and his original Jewish followers, the Netzarim, ever knew or accepted was the Hebrew Torah, there is not, nor has there ever been, one Christian in the world who could accurately be described as sola scriptura. Being sola scriptura would require renouncing the supersessionist (displacement theology) NT and learning and becoming obedient to Scripture, which isn't possible while remaining a Christian. Acquaint yourself with some deep history. You'll find the wellspring in our website. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Let's see, I'm a member in good standing of an Orthodox synagogue in Israel with all of the Orthodox documentation, who strives to his utmost to keep Torah. Frank Dorado is a slanderer - by definition deliberately disobeying Torah - on the other side of the world from Israel, who probably doesn't know motzi sheim ra from Devarim or how to find what page an Orthodox synagogue is praying from in a Hebrew Siddur, probably chowing-down on shrimp gumbo. Christianity and Christians derive from apostate Jews and Frank certainly is apostate, though I have doubts whether he is a Jew. That, and a thousand similar instances, suggests that Frank Dorado of Baton Rouge, LA is the Christian in this comparison. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

It seems that you do not know that most of the Rigteous recognized by Yad Vashem are Poles who are mostly Catholics. Can you give me examples of these biblical Christians helping Jews during WWII? I am just curious.

He was darn right. It's a shame he didn't succeed in wiping that race from the face of the earth. It would have been a much calmer place.

To those who have not understood yet how Jewish Paqid Yirmeyahu is, I recommend to look at his website www.netzarim.co.il . He is one of those Christian missionaries who pretend they are Jews. He has a peculiar way of writing Hebrew words in English. Instead of "Notsrim" (Christians), he writes "Netzarim". Instead of "Yeshu" (Jesus) he writes "Ribi Yehoshua". According to the laws of this country he is a criminal, but the laws against missionary activity are not implemented.

how many Nobel prizes have your people won again as opposed to my people, of which there are only 14 million on this planet??? i can't hear you. speak up. what have your people developed and invented lately??? Last i heard, it was Algebra...some 1400 years ago. wow. just curious, is all... thanks in advance.

s God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Let's see, I'm a member in good standing of an Orthodox synagogue in Israel with all of the Orthodox documentation, who strives to his utmost to keep Torah. Ephraim Rauch is a slanderer - by definition deliberately disobeying Torah. It is a short trip to Ra'anana where, if he obeyed Torah, he would have attended Moreshet Avot Synagogue and discovered that I am exactly who I say I am and that he is a liar. Christianity and Christians derive from apostate Jews and Ephraim Ruach certainly is apostate. That suggests that Ephraim Rauch of Tel Aviv is far close to being Christian than me. Further, slander is also against the law here. My lawyer advised that prosecuting slander over the Internet is tough to prove. Why don't you say that in Israel in front of witnesses and provide the evidence? If you're right you have nothing to fear. Of course, you know very well my lawyer will turn you every way but loose. By contrast, I'm open and on record. That's because I speak truth while you lie and slander. Further, ignoramus, Netzarim and Notzrim are mutually exclusive antitheses, as are Yesh"u (J*esus) and Ribi Yehoshua. Put your slander in the public record instead of on the internet. Make my day. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

and the notion of two Messiah is pure bad history reconstruction. Refer to what was said on the subject " Jews for Jesus". Some old refrains are exhausting and useless. With dear Dorothea I have been, as you know, involved in a raging battle with Miriam, Edan, Avi, Mordechai et al. Now it's time for wisdom and time of the Lord : The One blessed by the Lord in Isaiah 53, etc. cannot be Israel and you know it very well : the Lord-God refers to the Son-God (same essence) and the holy Spirit is clearly defined in the Holy Scriptures. The Trinitarian elements are already present throughout the Old Testament Of course I respect much what you are and what you represent. But please let God say who is His Jesus. From translator to translator. Thank you.

There's no need to define sin in the NT because it has been defined by the Torah. While the Roman Catholic Church and several Protestant churches may not require confession and repentence of sin, the Gospels and Epistles clearly do require it. I have confessed my sins and have repented. I am not perfect, but I doubt anyone can make that claim, including yourself. I am saved because Jesus gave his life as a sacrifice for all the world's sins. Those who accept that sacrifice are saved. The Pope doesn't have anything to do with it. In fact, I would be so bold as to say that those who follow the Pope are following an idol and blasphemer and believe themselves to be saved based on either their birth into the church, their reciting of some literature, baptism, and/or a bunch of good works. Christians do have to keep the Sabbath, the only reason we don't is because we're idiots, but keeping the Sabbath won't forgive sin. I can't skip Sabbath this week and make it up next week. If I skip just once, I need a blood sacrifice to cover my sin. Christ made that perfectly clear over and over. Nobody can keep all 10 Commandments and all the Law, which why a blood sacrifice is required. Not just any sacrifice will do. Only the Perfect Sinless One can and has provided of Himself a pure sacrifice. I totally disagree with your assumptions about Jesus, and just because I refer to Rabbi Yehoshua as Jesus does not mean, I all of a sudden build an idol to a Greek man-god. I understand many do. Bear in mind, I understand He is a Jew, I understand He taught the Torah, and I am to follow it. There is no excuse for not following Torah, but you cannot buy your way into Eternal Life by performing good works. One cannot work his way to Heaven. Nimrod tried it as did Cain. Abel showed us that only a perfect blood sacrifice will be acceptable to cover our sin. I simply believe He is Messiah, you do not. That is the crux of our disagreement. I am sincere in my request to learn Hebrew, however, and please bear in mind that I'm not attempting to convert you. All I've been trying to convince you of is the fact that not all Christians are Klansmen or Nazis, Pope followers, or as I call them "make it up as you go along Christians," and just because someone calls themselves something, doesn't make them genuine.

jews had more nobel prizes then anyone else and that there was 60 million jews(saw it in a book) but when i cheak on the inter net it was 20 million.. so it could be 20million to 60 million i guess...

thank you for showing us that :-)

Unlike the Netzarim, "Jews for J*esus" are Christians. IMO, they are irrelevant except in their need to make teshuvah from their apostasy. I haven't said anything about Isa. 53 referring to Israel. I will say that it absolutely cannot refer to J*esus because Torah specifically and explicitly precludes an anti-Torah man-god from being any kind of prophet or leader, much less the Messiah. I don't know anything about your battles; nor am I interested in them. The phrase in Hebrew that would mean "Son-God" would be Eil-Ben, not Benei-Eilim, Benei-ha-Elohim (both plural, "sons," referring to all Israel) or the like. There is no such phrase Eil-Ben in Scripture nor any other phrase anything like you describe. Your "wisdom" is false teaching. The Ruakh ha-Qodesh in Scripture is defined as the Spirit that motivates one to obey Torah; exactly the antithesis of a spirit that teaches supersession and displacement theology contradicting Torah. A spirit teaching contrary to Torah is a satanic demon. You err even in your usage of the phrase "Old Testament," a petitio principii (begging the question) of supersession and displacement theology and is an insult to any Torah-loving Jew. Neither is there any "Trinitarian" elements in Torah. The Trinitarian elements derive from Roman Hellenism and, before that, Greek pantheism and, before that, Egyptian theology - NOT Torah. As far as two Messiahs are concerned, you have already shown that you have no knowledge of the Scriptures. Learn the Hebrew Scriptures. Ha-Sheim communicates through His Torah, in which He has said who is NOT "His J*esus" in Devarim (Dt.) 13.1-6. Learn some 1st-4th-century history and you'll find (e.g. Oxford historian James Parkes, The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue, available in our website) that the Christian J*esus is a 4th-century Hellenist Roman antinomian counterfeit that is the polar opposite of the Torah-teaching 1st-century Pharisee Ribi. That clearly defines J*esus as an idol. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Elizabeth C. Stanton & a 'Revising Committee' did a "Woman's Bible" in 1898, trying to make the Scriptures more female-friendly. See http://www.sacred-texts.com/wmn/wb/index.htm

If you accept that "sin" "has been defined by the Torah," then the NT is instantly a teaching of "sin" (supersession / displacement theology) and we're talking about kheit, awon and pesha; violation of which refer to any and every lapse in the non-selective keeping of all of the mitzwot of Torah AND the scores of passages in which Torah requires keeping the khuqim and mishpatim, which are the decisions of the Beit Din (Jewish religious court, the rabbinic court in modern times). Of course, there was no NT until the 4th century (only a few fragments before then, none of which date before 135 C.E.). As I've mentioned in previous messages today, the Church's earliest extant historian, Eusebius, documented that the Netzarim rejected both Paul the Apostate and the NT, accepting only their own Hebrew Matityahu (which ISN'T identical to the Greek "Matthew"). So the "Gospels" and "Epistles" are irrelevant to this discussion and mentioning them is out of place. Contrary to misojudaic Christian misrepresentations designed to condemn Jews as rejected by God and "lost under the curse of the law of sin and death," Torah nowhere requires perfection for a place in the world to come. What Torah requires is that the individual do his or her utmost - "with all your heart and with all of your soul" to obey ALL of Torah, non-selectively. That explicitly includes learning Torah so that you can practice Torah thusly. Torah defines a man-god of supersessionism and displacement theology as false (Dt. 13.1-6), which means your "salvation" relies on a false "christ." Those who accept the false christ are lost - and the Pope, which is the successor to the usurpation of the Netzarim Peqidim, has EVERYTHING to do with it. To repeat: Torah conditions one's place in the world to come upon the individual doing his or her utmost - "with all your heart and with all of your soul" to obey ALL of Torah, non-selectively. Further, Torah explicitly prohibits adding or diminishing any condition to that. Torah requires teshuvah (return to keeping Torah non-selectively) as prerequisite to kipur (expiation). The Hellenist Roman "man-god savior of gentiles" is entirely alien to Torah. Contrary to your assumptions, NOT keeping Shabbat will preclude forgiveness because there is no teshuvah. Torah is the polar opposite of NT pagan doctrines. Blood sacrifice was never accepted without teshuvah, but the converse ISN'T true. Teshuvah without blood sacrifice still produces kipur. Blood sacrifice never had anything to do with being perfect, as I've explained above. There was also kipur without blood sacrifice. But there was never kipur without teshuvah. Trying to explain Scriptures you cannot read, based on Christian doctrines of man, is an exercise in futility. Torah-teaching Ribi Yehoshua is the polar opposite, the antithesis, of antinomian and supersessionist J*esus of displacement theology. Until you grasp that you understand nothing. Suggesting that Jews "buy their way into Eternal Life by performing good works" or "work their way to heaven" are offshoots of the misojudaism of early Christianity I mentioned above. It's misojudaic garbage. Scripture is very clear that without doing one's utmost to keep Torah non-selectively there is NO kipur! How do you have the arrogance to teach what you cannot even read to those who do? You believe in a false christ; THAT is the crux of our disagreement. I was born and raised in Christianity and was a Baptist minister. I've never suggested that all Christians are Klansmen or Nazis. But your definitions of Christianity are mistaken and your misconceptions and errors concerning Torah and Judaism typical of Christians. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Einstein in his own words: " A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestation of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man. But Einstein strongly resented having his religious convictions misrepresented : " It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it ". All Einstein is here in a few, simple words. He believed in a " God " but which " God " ?

And that was the end of germany, because ... "man" "men" as country without woman. H. had not family, H. was a child in a foreign (jewish?) parents, but not his own parents. And he was against them.

I'm sure that this is the book that Mel learned as a small boy at Hudson Gobso's Knee

In Germany will coming an bibel in right language, it must be under control at every people, to practice, to looking at old books. We have at last year many changes at spiritual life. But I am not catholic, not protestant, not baptist, not orthodox, not ... any way, what I knew. What I am? One person under Gods control. It is enough? I am believing, God are working through Jews to bring his heal, his grace, his spirit, his order into world, his future can begin! Amen

Hi. I've been reading your correspondance with netzirim. It sounds like you have a better and sincere heart to grow in Jesus and knowledge of scripture. I have gone to his website before and I could not get anything out of it. It's strange how all that learning his gone to nothing. He is really off the way. You just keep what your doing. There are two bibles versions out there that I think will be very helpful to you. One is the "Spirit -Filled Life Bible" edited by Jack W Hayford. The other is the Thompson Chain Reference Bible. That comes I believe in the NIV(new international version.)The first one has many features such as Kingdom Dynamics, Word Wealth and Truth-in Action. The second points out related scripture. As for sin, it basically means "missing the mark. There is a verse that comes to my mind about reading the bible. 2 Timothy 2:15- Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I hope that is useful information for you. God bless you.