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The first Photoshop war
Gal Mor
Published: 17.08.06, 20:24
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31. Thank you YNET for truth findings
mohamad ,   lebanon   (08.17.06)
Ynet news, thank you soooo much. I thought my cousins were killed in Qana, then it was just fake pictures produced in a lab. man, what a relief!!! watch out hollywood.
32. Moe (in Montreal)
Someone who cares ,   MN, US   (08.17.06)
Look man, it did happen, alright? You happy now? No one is defending the war here except you. This article is about media reporting on the War coverage. Just because some idiot edited photo's doesnt mean that anyone is hiding any facts about the toll this conflict has brought. In my opinion Media is always biased toward a country that is getting attacked, no matter who it is. Im sure that if Israel was getting bombed like that, then it would have received same majority of coverage. It jsut so happens that if Israel was bombed for 30 days, there would be nothing and no one left to take any pictures of destruction. And afterwards Hezzi's would spit back at your pathetic comments about the dead in the conflict. They could care less, they are either martyrs to them or infidels. And Infidels should die. Don't you get it? You are infidel as well my friend, unless you convert to Muslim religion. Wake up buddy! Dont be talking like Moe the stooge.
33. To Igor Princeton
Victor ,   New York   (08.17.06)
You might choose to disregard what the Israeli soldiers are saying what the world press is saying, but nobody with some sense of objectivism can deny that the Lebanese resistance had a military victory. Period. Yesterday I learned that the resistance was with the people of Khiam celebrating...(go check your map). This is nothing to do with antisemite media etc(which might be true btw but has nothing to do with their clean victory)... such statement are more ridiculous than anything I heard even on this forum. Yeah you can loose your time analyzing and criticizing photoshops. I agree such things should not be done, but come on a small visit to Dahye and you can see by yourself what is meant by terrorism. Photos (even photoshoped ones) will never be able to pass the real message. So are you saying that the resistance has the right to bomb every single road used by Israel to import weapons. I think your anger about the loss can bring a lot of nonsense. You need to be careful because a lot of racism can result from such frustration. Have a smoke, it might help. Lebanese joints from the Bekaa are suppsed to be the best!
34. A Jacques: Rude?
Victor Araman ,   New York   (08.17.06)
T'es vraiment ridicule cher Jacques! What does it mean human suffering? Why don't you use this forum to make a point instead of throwing a question with no meaning. Are you expecting an answer such as: "suffereing is something you don't know about etc.." and in fact you do know. Because if you don't you should really s..t up especially when you're talking to apalestinian and if you do then I guess you can explain why the lebanese embraces so much its resistance, made out of suffering! Looking forward for a meaningful answer !
35. The same thing with us -Palstine-
west bank   (08.18.06)
im palestinian journalist many shame storiesdone by photojournalists working with important agencies, one day i will write about this before the end of life but not now
36. Israel fought a handicap war with
John ,   NZ   (08.18.06)
Russia, China, Syria, Iran, World Media through Hizbollah. period
37. To #33
Jewish American ,   USA   (08.18.06)
The "Lebanese" TERRORIST organization did have a victory yes, but tell me, what kind of objective is it to say "well if we survive, then we win". Second of all, a resistance is an incursion that is from WITHIN a country that is oppressing people, hezbollah was only oppressing thier people, Israel has not been in Lebannon for 6 years, to me it is kind of hard to "oppress" when you are not even in a country. The reason why I put Lebanese in quotes, is b/c (which I am pretty sure you would not like to admit) that hezbollah is run by syria and iran, and has been trained by iran's revolutionary guard ect... And yes, I hate to burst your bubble, but alot of the media is Anti-Semetic, such as the BBC, SkyNews, CNN in most respects, and not to mention AP and Reutergate right now. Tell me, how much coverage and how many Israeli's were photographed while running towards a bomb shelter, or the damage that was caused INDESCRIMINANTLY by hezbollah weapons so generously donated by iran and syria? None which I saw at least, watch FOX, you might learn something.
38. One last thing
Jewish American ,   USA   (08.18.06)
O, and Fed UP #15, very well said and put. And moe, you are just as ignorant as those terrorists themselves. Those Holocaust comments, man, to deny that maybe non of this happened, pfft.. your dumber than i thought.
39. watch video: http://seconddraft.org/streaming/pallywood.wmv
(08.18.06)
40. forget videos ???
moe ,   cannes , france   (08.18.06)
mister "moe" is completly wrong in his analyse ... its not about how good is the picture or do a war kills civilians , babies and so on.. Islam terror is killing mostly children , so they have to accept a punishment once in a while ... thats the law of life "action reaction"
41. my feeling about videos and reality .....
safir ,   cannes france   (08.18.06)
for sure israelis have better ideas about life than doing war .. but ..."action reaction" as simple and normak as that... too bad lebanese don t fight for the unity of their country , too bad the palestinian are not putting energy in killing their discusting politicians ...well terrorists and mafias suits better ..its sad yes. and for all of us ...
42. to FED UP haifa ...
emi ,   cannes france   (08.18.06)
I do agree 100 % with u , and we are many ...too bad hypocrisy and fear rules the world...it gives a lots of space to the innocent terrorists..poor thing.... Ur so right ..i m fed up myself.. shalom ,shalom ...
43. moe's comment
Sheldon ,   Tiberias Israel   (08.18.06)
Are you serious? Where did you hear your slanderous title "Israel, the baby killers" I would like to have a serious talk with the poeople who dreamt up this insane comment
44. #37 Jewish American
Victor ,   New York   (08.18.06)
First YOU call them terrorists, but most of the world (in case you care) doesn't and 95% of the Lebanese don't. That's what I care about. You call them oppresing people oppression, while 71% of Lebanese are supporting the resistance 86.8% of the Lebanese supported teh kidnapping as a fair military operation. Either you think, that Lebanese like to be oppressed or you're only watching FOX. I don't recall having said that Israel is oppressing Lebanese, I don't think the resistance will ever let them anymore. But, Israel's aggression didn't stop for 6 years. Maybe the resistance has been trained in Iran, maybe they are supported by Iran and Syria, there is nothing to be ashamed of. At the opposite, it can give you an idea what would the resistance have done to IDF having been aided by the US instead (as is the case with IDF). Last time, I checked Lebanon was a democratic country, last time I checked the resistance is not asking to copy the Iranian regime in Lebanon last time I checked they have been victorious in all their battles. That what matters not who are they allied with. As for the media you are mentioning the only reason why they are antisemite is bc they are anti arab (arabs are the main semite people). That doesn't matter, we have to live with biased news. But there are facts on the grounds and what photos videos and other media scenario do or show cannot change the facts. The facts are that more 1200 people died in Lebanon 90% of them are civilians. The facts are that only 160 people died in Israel more than 60% of them are soldiers! It is funny how all lebanese talk facts and the anti lebanese use rethorics. hmmmm that remind me iranian syrian and FOX methods...
45. Thank you.
Kathy Han ,   South Korea   (08.18.06)
I agree on your point. I translated Gal Moro's "the first photoshop war" into Korean Language and put on my blog. Please check http://blog.chosun.com/blog.log.view.screen?blogId=12147&logId=1360129&listType=2 I'm trying to let Israel''s tragic to here now. bye. K. Han
46. Liberal Abuse of Language
blue monday ,   tokyo   (08.18.06)
@Nicolaus, San Francisco, USA Where or what is Eurabia ? These verbal tricks are getting old, and tired, like the Neo-Con regime. Can you back up this claim that half the civilian deaths were terrorists with evidence. Does this mean 500 civilian deaths is acceptable, guess so as long as they aren't in your town. Since Eurabia is a fictional delusion in your sad and sorry mind, the comparative morality argument you are attempting is doubly false.
47. pictures.
idan ,   montreal, canada   (08.18.06)
u guys are making a big deal about a few pictures that were altered. in reality these pictures didn't need to be altered because the reality is worst than the pictures. The article says that these alterations were made to make israel look bad, to be honest i couldn't stop laughing. Israel has no problem in making itself look "horrible" in terms of human rights and war crimes. Israel is the expert in this section.whether it's 10 kids or 100, it doesn't make a difference. whether there is smoke or not , the country was destroyed because the IDF was unable to do anything to Hizbullah. so they wanted to inflict as much damage as they possibly can. sign of their true weaknesses.
48. #2liar,liar...........................
rachel ,   usa   (08.18.06)
49. #4your nose is growing big time
rachel ,   usa   (08.18.06)
50. #6 idiot who started it? you did
rachel ,   usa   (08.18.06)
ayway what about jewish refugees from Arab countries?
51. #11 Arabs are so selfish
rachel ,   usa   (08.18.06)
with all the land they have 11/2 size of U.S and still they can't let that tiny tiny piece of land of Israel . The muslim already conquered so much the originall jewish lands and kicked out the jews out of it .Still they want it all ....how selfish you people are.....
52. shame on you
lebaneseman   (08.18.06)
Even if there were a couple of fake photos, which I seriously doubt, shame on you for even talking about this. What the fuck difference does your argument make? In the wake of a massacre you are spitting on the memory of dead children. You sound like those guys you criticize for denying the holocaust.
53. Sheldon
moe ,   montreal, Canada   (08.18.06)
Maybe you didn't hear about the Israeli tourists in Turkey who were kicked outside the resturand which has a huge sign: ISRAELIS, BABY KILLERS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN. or mayb you didn't hear about the demonstrations all over the world which have such signs and more. or mayb even you don't follow the news and you didn't see the dead babies aged 10 days to 12, if you didn't see all this, ofcourse you will never hear what people say.
54. #2 moe - you're an idiot and not even a real canadian
justme ,   vancouver, canada   (08.18.06)
55. Victor from New York
Alex ,   NYC   (08.18.06)
Victor, You seem to apply "resistance" in a wrong way. The more proper way would be "terrorists". As to "resisting" - no one would deny that hizb had started the whole war with their stupid attack (following Iranian & Syrian orders)
56. check Aish Hatora's video on this same topic.
Gidon O ,   Modiin   (08.18.06)
57. http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp
Gidon ,   california   (08.18.06)
58. PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS
FED UP ,   Haifa, Israel   (08.18.06)
http://www.petitiononline.com/IAUN1/petition.html please sign it! and pass it on to everyone you know!!
59. #1 liar,liar your pants are on fire!
rachel ,   usa   (08.18.06)
60. digital forgery
Jack Klaber ,   Ramat Hasharon   (08.18.06)
more than 10 years ago I was a digital imaging sales manager of one of the (then) major imaging companies. To make the public aware of the potential of forgery that is almost impossible to detect by the untrained eye, I contacted Mr. Candid Camera in Israel, Yigal Shilon. My idea was to have celebs to come to our shop and develop & print their film. In the back of the shop I would then scan and put on disc all images and then have them altered by Photoshop in one hour flat. I would then put the images back on film with a digital filmrecorder and print them in a regular manner. The celeb would then receive his prints that shows him and whatever he/she photographed in a total different and maybe embarrassing situation. To "proof" that the print indeed was "true" we would show the negative......... Mr. Shilon did not use the idea, but it was my intention to show that even then already technology could change what was considered "aboslute proof". That the camera lies is a fact since they were used in the 19th. century. Only because they show a particular view, choosen by the photographer and more over, only the capture of a single moment in time......
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