A Difficult Lesson: David Bogner on July 16, 2006 [Excerpt - emphasis added] “… Israel had better learn [this] if it is to finally be rid of … its tormentors: … Arab aggressor [s] must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. …every person who …ever rescued [a] bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute … every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see … today. President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and …ally of Syria .. [shrieked] non-stop to the UN…to get them to force Israel into a cease fire. Clearly he … read… his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Arab Despots' by …Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. …Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, [and] every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success: 1) Instigate a war. 2) Once you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... 3) get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire. 4) Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! 5) All you have to do is wait it out …eventually the world will become [so] sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce. 6) Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once. “…it worked so well for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there! http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/07/thanks_i_needed.html Keep going until they cry "Uncle! Ackmed!"

Read and learn.. http://www.conceptwizard.com/conen/conflict_2.html

you are mistaken to think that it is only fundamentalist and radicals who want to 'wipe' Israel off the map. This is the sentiment of Arab massess, and I may add to it millions of non-Arab muslims. don't be fooled by the 2 or 3 peace treaties you have with some desparate Arab regimes. This is the truth. it's painful to recognize I know, but it's more painful if you think that non-fundamentalistt and non radicals think or feel good about Israel. it is a lot of work for Israel before you start assuming such a situation. example: do you know that the best selling song in Egypt in the last few years has been a song by an un-known Egyptian singer and the name of the song is "I hate Israel". Right after this song was out, he became a big star. if you see this guy you'll know that he has nothing to do with Islam, let alone fundamentalis or radicalism.

The ONLY hope for Israel is to rid itself of its failed and pathetic 'leadership'. It must eviscerate the failed military pseudo doctrine of 'limited military conflict'. They have to decide to fight to win, otherwise they will lead the country into the abyss.

Maybe faster and cheaper than Nautilus would be an update of the WW II Barrage Balloons to interfere with the trajectories of short range light weight rockets. Hang synthetic netting from an array of scraficial barrage balloons. Analize the recorded trajectories of the Katushkas to determine if there is a locus of vulnerability. Only a finite number of cities and towns need be protected in this way. Rockets falling in open country pause lesser hazard.

WHILE ISRAEL IS IMPLEMENTING WORTHY MILITARY IMPROVEMENTS, IT SHOULD PROMOTE JEWISH BIRTHS. ENCOURAGE JEWISH MIGRATION TO GAZA AND THE WEST BANK. GIVE A TEN YEAR TAX BREAK TO JEWS MOVING OR LIVING THERE. KICK THE p’arabs OUT. MOVE THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM ISRAEL. THEY MORALLY & EHTICALLY DEGRADE US TO THE EXTENT THAT ISRAEL WILL DEVOLVE INTO A MORAL DECLINE AND BECOME A THIRD WORLD NATION. KICK THEM OUT. THEY WILL NEVER BE CIVILIZED, NOR GIVE US PEACE. AND THE COST OF CONFLICT INCREASES OUR NATIONAL ECONOMIC COSTS AND PREVENTS WIDE SPREAD ISRAELI PROSPERITY. DISMISS INTERNATIONAL OPINION. AND PUSH AHEAD. NOTHING FROM NOTHING IS NOTHING. THIS IS WAR. MOSHE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9071731896689197790&hl=en

you will never make them happy these are not people you can trust

You hit the situation right on the head. Israel must prepare immediately, it must also give out gas masks to all it citizens.

there is also another front - world opinion and the media...which begins with organizations like the UN "Last year, senior UN officials roundly condemned a Danish newspaper's publication of cartoons that provoked objections from Muslim states...the Iranian government is sponsoring a new exhibit of 200 obscene and anti-Semitic cartoons mocking and denying the suffering of Holocaust victims. The UN has said nothing about this outrage." Have your say http://www.unwatch.org/c.bdKKISNqEmG/b.1288071/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?aid=7384&msource=12345&tr=y&auid=1889609

The arabs wont decide the borders for us. They gave up on it on 1947 and since then numerously more. Why would this work now? Barak was prepared to give the pals the 1967 borders, Arafat refused! Arabs can't be trusted.

Israel is still here and the arabs are still trying to wipe us out for 60 years. Should they try further?

That would cause peace in the world for ever and ever wouldn't it? You must be so naive. They want the whole world not just Israel.

So, are you now against democracy? keep spinning karen, you don't full anybody. Get it through your head: NO MORE WITHDRAWALS. You want land, you'll have to gain it on a battlefield.

For the simple reason: there is no such plan. There is plan suggested by some Arab states and not accepted by others, not talking about organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas. Suppose we accept this plan and, in the best case, countries that suggested it will sign peace with Israel. What will we do with the rest that will see it as IL weakness and strike? Will those countries that signed peace enforce others to keep peace? How will they react when we strike back? Will they see it as violation of peace and launch joined offensive? Will Israel be able to defend itself in such situation? Without convincing answers to those questions there is nothing to talk about.

Do you know how? Please tell us. And we'll probably can tell you something about democracy in Belarus.

this last stupid war was planned by Israeli army Generals at the Pentagon a year ago!!!..one has to only read the New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh to see that all of this article, including the author are just FULL of it!! And is interested only to take atention away( by scaring the public)from the real issue, which is investigating everyone in the government for its pathetic faliures.

Yes those Egyptians have crazy crazy hit songs. It is like when the number 1 song in the US was "Lets Get Dirrrty" by Xtina Aguilera, Americans supported triple xxx dirrrtiness, and crazy sexy dancing The US listeners actually didn't like the Christina Aguilera's dancebeat, they started liking the dirrrtiness, the deep message. In the interest of peace in the middle east, maybe Eqyptians and US should switch their hit songs. Then US will stop arming Israel, and the terrorists will discover dirrrty dance moves, instead of dirrrty bombs. Peace will break out - distracted dancing Arabs and unarmed Israelis. Yes A new Int'l Campaign Is Born!

Wow! This is the best argument ever, that is, If Israel agrees to peace, it will embolden the "terrorists" who will never agree to any peace. Once you frame it like that, the you have hit a true deadend. Which is exactly what we want. Even the limp road map is out. The word terrorist I though was a great deadend argument because the accuser doesnot have to do or say anything more in a debate and everything counter action is justified when framed as such, because it is either preemptive or retaliation. But this variation is a great supporting argument. Repeat and they will believe. Wow!

Busters. Use the money to protect the people with guns, and ammo, and shelter. Every voter should get one or two. Shrimp like the hizbullies can make fools of a dragon in shallow water.

Ron Ben-Yishai made some excellent points about putting out fires instead of addressing root causes. This kind of enemy requires territorial losses and severe support damage to get the message: there must be unacceptable consequences for the enemies that attack Israel; if not, they will become more sophisticated, bold and effective. Commando type operations are going to be necessary. “Scorched earth” type raids are quite effective. Taking some of the enemies territory is quite discouraging to him and causes him to attack where you are best prepared (if he tries to recapture lost ground; granted he can attack elsewhere in punishment). Workable contingency plans must be available for every conceivable scenario. Equipment must be survivable for combat in built-up and fortified areas. The Soviets perfected reactive armor; so there is no excuse for not having it, although it is expensive to fit and maintain. I am unsure about the current effectiveness of high energy laser defensive weapons - the last paper read suggested pulse laser/maser combination. We have the best military minds in the world -time to put them to work solving emerging threats/problems.

Ron is right. A Governmemt of PUBLIC SALVATION should be installed by the People of Israel pressuring the KNESSETH ITSSELF or the Knesseth without any pressure should oust OLMERT PRETZand HALUTZ, Does the state of Israel have 2 years to implement the right changes proposed adequately by Ron ????? It is not a time for the war of the Jews..... It is a time for Unity. A NATIONAL UNITY GOVERNMENT IS URGENTLY REQUIRED. There should be a smart alliance between BiBi and Barak immediately. YAALON should come back , Amnon Lipkin Shahak, Matan VILNAI should come back , Silvan SHALOM should replace Tsipi LIVNI while TSIPI should be given another portfolio. The FOCUS should be a massive reinforcement of TSAHAL NOTHING ELSE MATTER. TSAHAL IS THE EMBODIEMENT OF UNITY OF THE STATE. There is no time for Commissions. Normally, OLMERT, PERETZ an HALUTZ shoud resign by themseves. God BLESS ISRAEL Mordekhai Abitbol

and not enough on defensive. Look at the Wall. A construction fiasco. Moats, blockades, trenches, and Great Walls in China are not effective for very long. Walls can keep people in. Spend the effort on what people want, personal protection. Spend the rent on fun for everyone. Could have had the world's largest waterpark by now and admission could be free.

He is yet to assemble N bomb, imagine if he does it? He will not hesitate to use it. And we with those in our possession; will keep moaning two holocausts; if we survive, in some other countries; if those countries grant us visas or get killed here in the holy land without any place for burial.

This time we go to the war, make it clear to the whole world that won land will be annexed immediately and never be returned. We are too lenient to give back the lands we won in wars. And look at them they want to wipe us off the map and annex our land; they talk openly about it! Why are we shay?

Ynetnews, you are not going to post what i am going to say. right? If it is going to be a new war with Israel, better for Israeli people to leave Israel. Because this time, not only Huzballa is going to fight, we are 862 Chrisitans are going to join the war too. and also the arabic countries are going to join the war, EGYPT and JORDAN also, coz their army is going to turn on their leaders if they dont join the war. So BYE BYE ISRAEL

and the hizbullies already have the n-Bomb. Castro had them and gave them back? Politics in war and peace IS a balance of terror. People must demand personal protection. Politicians and strongmen hate a party they cannot control. Party by the rules of both Books. Why light up the sky just to give the termites a free lunch forever?

Jews and Arabs are one family. They are also part of the larger human family. Respect and responsibility for each person's actions is what it means to be human. No religious beliefs can be allowed to pervert the true nature of mankind which is to survive and live in peace. Any views based on some imaginary future life has no relevance to intelligent humanity. It has been, and remains today, the excuse used by fanatics and leaders to break the mores of humanity by waging war ( or terrorism) on innocent men, women and children. No person is entitled to call themselves truly human if they are prepared to support the use of violence and force on others. Education in what is necessary to solve conflicts peacefully. Complete reversal of the trends to rely on armaments and the resulting murder of innocent people is essential to the survival of the people, not only living in that area, but in the whole world. Peace and justice is the only way.

I agree that it is only part of the plot. I however, disagree with your term fundamentalism in Islam. Islam is Islam and it is about time we undestand whthat it is not a religion like Judalism or Christianity or Budaism. These religionis teach goodness and muercy . Islam teaches war and jihad and is evil and means to rule the world. under sharia law.