Opinion  Ron Ben-Yishai
Hizbullah was better
Ron Ben-Yishai
Published: 22.08.06, 16:58
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61. Cheerleaders
Art ,   Sydney, Australia   (08.23.06)
Hizbullah has no better and more enthusiastic cheerleaders than some Israelis. What a bitter pill it must be for all those who fought so bravely, who were injured or who lost loved ones, to read this kind of rave review about our enemies
62. Hezb better soldiers?
sad ,   jerusalem   (08.23.06)
Then how come they almost never came out in the open to fight like men, face to face? Video released today shows Rajjar bunker and outpost hastily abandoned by Hezzies at the sight or sound of approaching IDF: everything was left behind, arms, ammo, probably even their shoes. IDF soldiers walked into houses where Hezzies had been hiding only to find coffee still hot and cigarettes still smoking on the table. Not to mention that they even, well, soiled themselves when they came face to face with IDF troops and were taken prisoner. They were brave alright shooting Katyushas from balconies in buildings in Tyre, or roofs in Qana, they were brave lying in ambush and shooting anti-tank missiles at IDF troops searching and destroying weapons in houses of innocent Lebanese civilians. They were brave hiding among cows (check out Michael Behe's The most hypocritical people on earth, available on the net, then corroborate with Peter Beaumont's Where shepherds tend guns at night, for the Observer. Not to mention rarely wearing uniforms, like their own uniforms, so much more courageous to disguise themselves as Red Cross wokers, UN observers, Lebanese or even IDF soldiers (true, down to the minutest detail). Hide behind a bush, fire an anti-tank missile into a house, kill soldiers, then blame the destruction of the house on IDF and demand compensation from the world community. Now that is brave, nay, heroic, in anyone's book. Look, if Nasrallah were the winner, he would be presiding over a victory rally complete with the usual prolonged "Death to America, death to Israel" chanting in his Beirut stronghold. Except that HQ had a bit of a third degree encounter with the IAF and the navy as well, if I am not mistaken... He is a true hero claiming victory from yet another bunker in Damascus or even Teheran. Videotaped and released by Al-manar and Al-jazeera. Nasrallah won by merely surviving? Well, perhaps that might change. Even cats have only nine lives...
63. Just a joke
Martin   (08.23.06)
Hizballah could not be compared to Vietcong or Chechen fighters in th fierst Chechen war. Both Vietcong an Chechens were able to achieve strategic victories, killed hundreds of enemies, occupy and hold territories. After the war, their leaders were not hiding. The fact that Hizballah fighters did not run from battlefield, their leader is not killed and they are not destroyed completely does not mean that Hizballah won. Killing several regular troops, shooting down one helicopter and hitting maybe 4 tanks doesn't mean victory...
64. ITS REALLY FUNNY
samer ,   lebanon   (08.23.06)
COME ON GUYS LETS FACE IT ISRAEL LOST THE WAR AND ISRAEL WILLNEVER WIN ANY WAR AGAIN THEY MIGHT KILL KIDS BABIES WOMEN AND OLDERIES AND DISTROY LEBANON WHEN EVER THEY WANT BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FACE TO FACE WAR ISRAEL WILL ALWAYS LOSE AND ITS A PROMISE, FROM THE DISTRPY TOWN OF BINT JBIEL SAMER
65. TELL TEH TRUTH
(08.23.06)
YEAH BUT ITS NOT EASY TO FIGHT HUZBOALLAH YOU'LL LOSE ALWAYS AND ITS A PROMISE
66. #1, These are 600 Civilians Not Fighters!!
Sal ,   Canada   (08.23.06)
You are reading the News in Reverse the figure 520-600 are lebanese kids and woman killed why ther sleeping and building collaps on thier head from your Jets Fires on them. So Please Stop switch the truth like you always do. Also These is not how you compare, This is not a video game or Soccer Match! - loss of lives on both sides it's not a good thing. Stop this Hate and Anger and get some help Please. Everyone Knows it Israel got their ASS kicked badly on the ground. Please get over it and move on.
67. #23 Israel Excessive Force in Gaza&Lebanon is good example
Sammy ,   Canada   (08.23.06)
If we keep thinking of the past we never move ahead. Israel never give anything for Free. If Israel realy means peace should Hounor 1948 UN resolutions for 2 states. Always rememeber who is the Palestinians are original and Land oweners and Israeli are immigrants whom Palestine opened it's doors to jews immigration escaping hitler and accept them while the world turn them away. Israel should trade Land for peace and this is the only way. Otherwise more lives will be lost for the years to come.
68. #6 and the article in general
MJDavidson ,   Nashville USA   (08.23.06)
The IDF did make some mistakes. However, the real problem here has not been mentioned; no by the author and certainly not by the person who wrote #6 Make no mistake; the IDF was playihg by a different set of rules and those rules were laid out by none other than Condoleezza Rice--she was pulling the strings. Do some research and find out just what kind of restrictions the USA placed on Israel and its army. As for the Muslims winning all future rounds, don't bet your life on that; as for not knowing how to defeat the Hizbollah Fighters, just ask the commandos who defeated their counterparts in every encounter; every single one. It's hard to know how the IDF would have done had the gloves been taken off; did you know that Rice told Olmert that the building could not be leveled? If you don't believe me, do your own research.
69. the hizbullies were in their own
termite   (08.23.06)
neighborhood. There is no H-army. they are militia living off the sponsors and the land. The IDF should get to keep their guns and weapons and get more to protect their neighborhoods. Give up the unilateral defense posture and institute the autonomous fighting force.
70. EYELESS IN LEBANON?
ISHMAEL ISHMAEL ,   TORONTO CANADA   (08.23.06)
Another analyst who moves away from the Official Jewish Narrative. Such looks into the Mirror on the Wall are good steps for Israel, a country being co-managed by its franchisee, the USA, which will fight to the last Israeli Jew. Perhaps, if Israel is still seeking the next 'round', it ought to appoint a "War President" to stay the course against 'terrorism' and 'Islamic Facism' ... yadayadayada, as my favourite comedian has highlighted. George Bush Jr, comes to mind. What a pity that this benighted Judeo-Zionist group, with so much talent, does not filter out the pustule of Zionism and opt for Peace, rather than a 'Piece' of others' lands. Shouldn't Peace be the "next round" before Israel becomes "Eyeless in Lebanon"?
71. # 48 - u gotta be kiddin me!!!
UNKNOWN ,   T.A ISRAEL   (08.23.06)
Israelis are not like Hezbollah, they will never ever sacrifice their lives for their country or their own friends, so whoever told you that story is bs'ing you, and to all the people that think Israel killed 520-600 Hezbollah fighters is another LIE!!!!!!!!! HEZBOLLAH KILLED OVER 343+ Israeli soldiers, destroyed 118 merkava tanks, destroyed 69 armored vehicles including bulldozers, and 670+ soldiers were injured, and 50+ civilians killed, 1000+ injured, 1 million+ displaced, and all this resulted in 120 Hezbollah fighters dead as MARTYRS!!
72. HEZBOLLAH WAS WAY BETTER!!!
UNKNOWN ,   T.A Israel   (08.23.06)
73. well..............
mark ,   usa   (08.23.06)
#6, #7, #14 are correct. the rest of you stop living in fantasy land(you always did).you lost,get over it ,you got crushed,get over it.you didn't achieve 10% of your goals,get over it.the real reason that the terrorists won is that they fought from a solid belief that the IDF and the zionists are murderers and child killers and that by itself is a reason ton win. next time????next time,if israel makes the mistake of attaching,the terrorists will be eating dinner in tel-aviv over a victory party. wake up and stop the arrogance.admit your mistakes and repent for the thousands of innocent lives that you killed since 1948.maybe, and maybe god and the world will forgive you.repent israel,it is time.
74. Hiz better?
hansje   (08.23.06)
A lebanese paper claimed that Hiz lost 1500 fighters and that their whole command structure was destroyed,their leaders in hiding. Israel reached the Litani in only 48 hours. What would have been the outcome if the Israeli leadership was more resolute from the onset on?
75. to samer 64
sad ,   jerusalem   (08.23.06)
How destroyed could bint jbeil be if you are sitting before your computer, accessing the internet and communicating with us? Still, it's nice to see Lebanese, Saudis and people from other Arab countries on ynet. Even if we do not agree, we can communicate. And that's good, that's very good. Peace, shalom, salaam.
76. To 66 & 73 Get real
S judah ,   london   (08.23.06)
1. some 550 plus terrorist were killed. 2. So were innocents, but they were not deliberately targeted. Hezbollah deliberately targeted civilians, big big difference. 3. In every direct encounter with the IDF , Hezbollah came off defeated, the statistics are there for all to see, don't believe yourr own propaganda. 4. None the less as they were still firing rockets at the end, they and those who see things superfically can say otherwise. 5. The politicians were the real losers. 6. The greatest benefit to Israel, there is no rocket supprise left and systems will be developed to counter these and the anti tank weapons used. Think of the impact off these Mr 66 and Mr73 and stop wallowing in your fantasies.
77. Brave IDF soldiers, weak leftist useless politicians.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA USA   (08.23.06)
78. #64 Samer keep the illusion
Molly ,   Lndon   (08.23.06)
If it makes you feel better keep the illusion for it is only that an Illusion.
79. 78# why do you want to destroy israel???
danielle ,   |Israel   (08.23.06)
Why are you all so intent on destroying Israel. And you want the world to belieive you are a peaceful people????? Well you know if push comes to shove we will fight to the last person but we really don't like losing the children we have nurtured and as soon as the arabs love their own children more than they hate Israel then maybe we will have peace.
80. EYELESS IN LEBANON
Freya ,   ISRAEL   (08.23.06)
WHY ARE YOU SO INTENT ON DESTROYING ISRAEL THIS "ZIONIST PUSTULE "AS YOU CALL US. WE DO NOT USE SUCH TERMS DESCRIBE YOU. WE DONT GO AROUND BLOWING UP AIRPLANES OR USE OUR OWN CHILDREN AS SUICIDE BOMBERS. iF THAT MAKES US EYELESS THAN SO BE IT
81. #71 did the prophet come to you in a dream
Justin ,   Israel   (08.23.06)
WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR FIGURES?? DREAM ON IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.
82. Tם Mark usa
mandy ,   Israel   (08.23.06)
Have you ever done a body count on the numbers of women and children killed by suicide bombers not only in Israel but in the states and in England you righteuos bastard. Israel only wants a bit of peace but ever since its existance the arabs have wanted to destroy it. Well it aint going to happen so get over it.
83. IDF's problem
Paul Saab ,   Lebanon   (08.23.06)
Reading your article reminds me with this story about two new thieves seeing their friends caught; so one said to the other:"We can do better job than them and not be caught". The other story I can see you guys are telling us is like the goat that hits its head by the wall, once, twice, 3 times, then say to itself:" I just need to hit harder". Can you think once about peace and bridging love to the Lebanese??? maybe they will think about living with you...
84. The Wasp and the Bull
Andy ,   Israel   (08.23.06)
The best analogy I have seen is that of Hizbollah being a wasp, repeatedly stinging Israel the bull. Whatever the bull does wriggling and bucking, it fails to kill the wasp and keeps getting stung, but at the end of the day the wasp is never going to do any serious harm to the bull. Hizbollah can make life unpleasant for Israel, at the expense of the devastation in south Lebanon, and if that makes them feel good so be it, but they are no nearer their goal of destroying Israel, and never will be. Iran is a different story.
85. The IDF didn't use babies as human shields. Crappy article!
Daisy ,   USA   (08.23.06)
The IDF fought bravely against an enemy that hid behind women and little girls. The Hizzbollanazis are pansies terrorists who don't know what it is to be real men. The IDF were in the middle of kiccking ass when the idiot Olmert stopped them. It's about time the IDF resumed the job.
86. why???
mark ,   usa   (08.23.06)
why won't you print my talk back???what are you afraid of ??the truth?? there was no inappropriate language in it? is this another control media that blocks the truth??
87. #8
Moish ,   P.T.   (08.23.06)
You and other likeminded Ynet citizens of ISRAEL who aretalkback English speakers should join the political party that speaks your language literally and figuratively, and ACT. Words aren't enough, or we would've won long ago. Me? I'll back you and vote for you but its people like you who have the gift actively to get things done (I hope)
88. WE should all read #68
Mama   (08.23.06)
Not the first time Ive heard this
89. A heavy loss
Georges Assaf ,   Lebanon Beirut   (08.23.06)
Its too bad that the IDF a Hizballah more reason to be proud and to brag. Not only did the IDF loose the war but it also lost the sympathy of those Lebanese that regard Hizballah as an enemy by bombarding some areas and peop that have nothing to do with hizbalah.
90. Lessons to be learned.
James ,   Glasgow, Scotland   (08.23.06)
Only the dim would say that the IDF was defeated and they do. Those with any brain can see that political restriction saved the bacon of Lebanon/Hezbullah. Lessons will be learned on both sides and next time things will be completely different. Probably the biggest asset that Hezbullah had was its speed of communication, that is the humble mobile phone, that could transmit information faster than Olmert allowed his army to move and therefore gave the terrorists an advantage. Meaning that next time all innocents have to be considered enemy and must be made to realise this and get out if genuine. Refugees fleeing a flattened land are the biggest asset an army can have as it lowers the moral of the defending enemy. Has Israel forgotten this? A touch of terror on the terrorist is good. Or, three big ones in the right place would save an invasion if you really want to win and winning to survive is what its all about. When they acquire one it will be too late as they only need to be lucky once.
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