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Jackie Mason suing Jews for Jesus
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Published: 25.08.06, 17:50
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31. Jackie Mason DOES have a good case.
Jewish American ,   USA   (08.26.06)
Yes it does slander Jakie Mason, it says he is a "Jew for Jesus", and he clearly is not. He, like myself is a REAL JEW. Additionaly to all those who think Jews can believe in Jesus, they cannot, that is one of the key idealogoical differences between the two. Jews believe that messiah has not come yet, and Christians believe the messiah has. Sorry, but you can't be a Jew and believe in Jesus.
32. Jews for Jesus
NYC Girl   (08.26.06)
This is a cult-like group that uses extremely dubious methods in their recruiting efforts. And to those who think you can be Jewish and accept Jesus as the Messiah, the answer is...NOT. Judaism is fairly liberal in what it will allow you to practice without kicking you out. Some of us are atheists and yet we're still allowed to be Jews. However, Judaism definitely draws the line when it comes to a belief in Jesus Christ.
33. #32 NYC Girl
Bible Reader ,   USA   (08.26.06)
Psalm 118:22: "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone." Everything I see tells me that this verse could not be truer for Yeshua. Jews, like you say, can be anything. They can be atheists, orthodox, secular, new age, whatever they like. EXCEPT for one thing: they cannot believe Yeshua is the Messiah. "The stone that makes men stumble, and the rock that makes them fall." Isaiah 8:14 That never ceases to amaze me. But the
34. JACKIE MASON IS 100% RIGHT
(08.26.06)
THE FACT IS THAT THEY HAVE USED HIS NAME AND LIKENESS WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION, THEY DID THIS BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT IF ASKED, HE WOULD HAVE NEVER CONSENTED TO THIS. ANY CELEBRITY IN HIS PLACE WOULD HAVE SUED IF THEIR NAME/LIKENESS WERE USED FOR ANY REASON OR PURPOSE WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. IN MY OPINION, THEY KNEW VERY WELL WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEY KNEW THAT IT WAS ILLEGAL TO DO SO BUT IN THE MEANTIME THEY GOT ALL THE PUBLICITY. WHAT A DEPLORABLE ORGANIZATION.
35. JFJ are Christians disguised as Jews to convert Jews and
Márcia ,   Brazil   (08.26.06)
naive gentiles. Shame on them -- not for being Christians, but for pretending they are not.
36. Jews for JEWS -- the way to go.
Márcia ,   Brazil   (08.26.06)
37. Read, people
Knowledge is Power ,   NYC, USA   (08.26.06)
www.messiahtruth.com/response.html Reading through this wont convince a Christian or a Jew for Jesus they are wrong, but maybe it will shed some light as to why knowledgable practicing Jews wont be swindled by misinterpertations from the original Hebrew and 'proofs' taken out of context. Enjoy, Enjoy.
38. Jews for Jesus is an abomination.
Preston ,   USA   (08.26.06)
JFJ = goyim wannabees. They are NOT Jews. A curse on them.
39. #1
RJ   (08.26.06)
"One CAN NOT practice Judaism and refer to Jesus of Nasareth as a Massiah. It is an oximoron. It is like kosher pork. " Some of us in the Reform Movement don't even believe in the Massiah as a person. Does that make out belief even less Jewish?
40. Jews for Judaism:
Márcia ,   Brazil   (08.26.06)
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/mainpages/mission.html
41. JFJ
Trish ,   Willard USA   (08.26.06)
Now that is the way. File a lawsuit. Either you are broke or you need your 15 minutes of fame. LOL You know you are going to find out soon enough. Wait and see. The prophets of old did and guess what they were right. Why are they suddenly wrong?
42. 10 patriot : Learn Facts: Jesus - rather Joshua was born A
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (08.27.06)
Jew - and he died a Jew Christianity is rooted in God's call to Abraham in the ... from the Christendom that was founded nearly 300 years after Jesus' death ... Jesus was not wanting to form a new religion away from Judaism - Not so Jesus was a Jew. He was born of a Jewish mother, in Galilee, a Jewish part of the world. All of his friends, associates, colleagues, disciples, all of them were Jews. He regularly worshipped in Jewish communal worship, what we call synagogues He preached from Jewish text, from the Bible. He celebrated the Jewish festivals. He went on pilgrimage to the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem where he was under the authority of priests.... He lived, was born, lived, died, taught as a Jew. Also please remember Christians live in the year 2006 Jews live in the year (which is nearly finished in the Jewish calendar) in the year 5766
43. 10 patriot: Jesus could not be the Jewish Messia
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (08.27.06)
JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended. The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
44. WWJD? ....Not one Jot or Tittle
Yerushalimey ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.27.06)
Jesus may have wanted Gentiles to recognize and praise the Creator, but Jesus clearly wanted Jews to remain Jews, good observant Jews. After the admirable Sermon on the Mount [Matthew Chapter 5], Jesus explains that he doesn't want to change one jot or tittle of the law. v.19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach (them), the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Remember, Jesus was talking TO Jews and talking ABOUT Jews. Matthew V. v.19 indisputably condemns anyone who encourages Jews not to practise Judaism. In other words, Jesus would say that Christians who want to bring their truth to the world should try to convert anyone EXCEPT Jews! Dear Christians, go back and read Matthew and you will realize the dreadful error, the SIN of trying to make Jews into Christians.
45. 41
(08.27.06)
You are obviously not familiar with Jackie Mason and/or his career. He certainly does not need money or 15 minutes of fame. He is immensely popular and is overbooked im many countries. He embodies an extraordinary personality and people cannot get enough of him. He is doing the right thing. Any celebrity would do the same, his likeness and his name are his own.No group or persons have the legal right to use another person's or group's name or likeness for any reason at all. The person does not even have to be a celebrity. Would you like it if your own picture was all over the newspaper, with some misleading caption underneath, making you out to be someone you're not? Give us all a break.
46. Jews for Jesus
Mort the Sport ,   America   (08.27.06)
Where are the Jews for Mohammad?
47. To #10 - Oxymoron is not the issue
Audrey Travis ,   Vancouver Canada   (08.26.06)
The Jewish Messiah is not, was never meant to be worshipped as a savior or the rvered son of G-d. The Messiah is and always was, a messenger only, certainly not to be worshipped (blasphemy). His message was simple - tell the world that the Kingdom of G-d (the one and only G-d) was imminent. Jewish and Christian concepts of the messiah diverged when Christians started converting uneducated pagans to belief in Jesus. It is these pagan worshippers who got it wrong and parted companby with Jews. You, in fact, have it wrong. Jesus would have been shocked, as a Jew, at what the world has twisted him into.
48. #15
Jane   (08.27.06)
To be Christian is to be a member of a religion derived from Judaism but without the hard parts. To be Jewish would make it impossible to be a Christian. Christ, following Judaism as he did, including the hard parts, would not have been a Christian.
49. 13
(08.27.06)
We accept your friendship and offer you ours. That however, does not mean that we are required to change our belief system to yours. We have a right to protect the tenants of our religion and speak out when an organization lies about who we are in our own name. We do not stab Christians in the back when we reject your beliefs and embrace our own. We do not demand that you do not accept Jesus into your heart, but we are preplexed when you are insulted by our refusal to do so as well.
50. JESUS THE MESSIAH
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.27.06)
Rejecting Isaiah 53 is the same as calling the Lord a liar. The blame will be on those who denied Jesus and not on all those (Jewish or not) who believe in Jesus ! " Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4 Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. 10 Yet it was the LORD'S will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. 11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. " Isaiah 53 The whole message of the Holy Bible summed up in one verse : John 3, 16.
51. Let God show us who His Jesus is !
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.27.06)
People want to avoid Is. 53 and some other "messianic verses". I therefore will try to reconcile them with themselves, as their generally rather sophisticated Jesus' genealogy would fail to convince us. The glorious Messiah's coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by "all Israel", for "a hardening has come upon part of Israel" in their "unbelief" towards Jesus. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost : "REPENT therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old." (For example, see Isaiah 53, the verses of which cannot be silenced. Christians are right when they argue that Is. 53 refers to Jesus, the Messiah, corroborated in this respect by Talmud and the Jewish Sages). Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead ? « The "full inclusion" of the Jews in the Messiah's salvation, in the wake of "the full number of the Gentiles", will enable the People of God to achieve "the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ", in which "God may be all in all." » Let God reveal us who His Jesus is !
52. # 50 Marcel
Michael A. Gold ,   El Paso, Tx   (08.27.06)
Marcel, please read #49 then read #24. jews for jesus are the same thing as paqid 16, albert mohler. They are only trying to eradicate real Jews. Marcel, answer these questions, please keep the answers simple 1st Did G-D lie to Moses? 2nd Why are Real Jews in existence today? 3rd Why would a Real Jew leave the G-D of Israel to follow Jesus who follows the G-D of Israel? 4th Why do Christians become so upset when Real Jews don't believe in Jesus? Before you answer read #25, 26 and reread # 49 Would you, Marcel like to see all the Real Jews dead? Once a Real Jew converts to Christianity, he/she is dead in the eyes of the G-D of Israel. That's what G-D told Moses.
53. #50 Marcel
Michael A. Gold ,   El Paso, Texas   (08.27.06)
Marcel, may I suggest you refer to the Bibles that we (Real Jews) use. After checking what you wrote in #50 about Isaiah it does not match our TaNaKh (Bible) JPS TaNaKh by Jewish Publication Society Koren's 'The Jerusalem Bible' Artscroll's 'Stone Edition TaNaCh' The problem that you may encounter with the King James Version is that it has been translated from one language to another language about 5 different times. The above mentioned Bibles are directly from Original Hebrew to American English. I prefer Artscroll's TaNaCh
54. Messiah has two roles
Arul ,   Malaysia   (08.27.06)
Unfortunately , you people don't understand the two roles that the messiah needs to play. The suffering servant role and the King's role. Either you are all blind or you are adamantly refusing to think and reason. Read Isaiah 53, Psalms 22 You will see the picture of the suffering messiah. If you beleive the prophecies, then why are you not checking these ?? Anyway, till the day , you as a nation confess that Jesus is the messiah, you will not have peace. When you call and acknowledge this fact, He will come, destroy all your enemies and establish the kingdom. Jesus will fulfill all the prophecies concening this then. May the Lord open your hearts and eyes
55. Arul , Malaysia
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.27.06)
Yes, Is. 53 (among other prophecies) is essential and the concept of salvation through Jesus is rebuked , more often simply refused by most Jews. Precisely, Jews who accept it are Jews for Jesus. The Lord has a good sense of humor ! Thanks. God bless.
56. 54 Arul , Malaysia: You justare blind because you in
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (08.27.06)
Fact try with desperate lies - to cover your Jew Hate
57. identity theft
David S ,   Tivon, Israel   (08.27.06)
Jews for Jesus is a fraud. They are guilty of identity theft. The Jewish people have the right to define who is a Jew and who is not a Jew. We have decided that those who believe that Jesus was the messiah or that Jesus was devine cannot be Jewish, cannot be part of the Jewish people. A person or an organization that believes that Jesus is the messiah or is devine and calls itself 'Jewish' is guilty of identy theft.
58. Michael A. Gold , El Paso, Texas
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.27.06)
Thanks, but I use several Bibles, don't worry, and not only in English. It helps sometimes. Have a nice day !
59. 55 Marcel Abel: Wake up to reality:
Gabrielle Goldwater ,   Geneva Switzerland   (08.27.06)
JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended. The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David!
60. Is it unjustified to believe in Jesus ?
Marcel Abel ,   (France)   (08.27.06)
Please, do believe it's no preaching, only to share with those who agree to do it ! " I believe G-ds Spirit (the Ruach HaKodesh) has drawn you to this information. I pray that you will continue your examination of the evidences of the Messiahship of Jesus. And remember the words of Yeshua, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." Perhaps Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah, is standing at the door of your heart right now! Consider Him! Open the door and allow Him to come into you ! " The try is worthwhile and will have beneficial , decisive effects in life.
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