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Reiner: Gibson come clean on 'Passion'
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Published: 26.08.06, 14:17
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1. Reiner
Djazaïri ,   France   (08.26.06)
So it would be necessary to rewrite history to make as if Jesus hadn't be condemned by rabbis but by some muslim clerics.
2. Rob Reiner
(08.26.06)
I've never once heard of Rob Reiner being involved in any Jewish organization. Visting Israel. or for that matter showing up at a synagogue. He's Jewish only when it is convenient and fits in wiht his liberlalism.
3. To #1 Djazaïri
Josh Korn ,   Canada   (08.26.06)
Jesus *was* Jewish, and like many others of his day, was condemned to death by the province's Roman governor, who wasn't. Rob Reiner isn't talking about rewriting history, but about the slant of the movie itself. Of all movies about the life of Christ, I'd say that the one that comes closest to being historically accurate is Monty Python's "Life of Brian". The gos
4. Jesus
DavidE ,   USA   (08.26.06)
According to the New Testament, Jesus was the paschal lamb. "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."—John 1:29 Christ, our pesach (paschal lamb) is sacrificed for us" (1 Cor. 5:7). Now my question to both Rob Reiner and the antisemites is whether Jews are at fault for killing the paschal lamb. Isn't the high priest supposed to sacrifice the paschal lamb on behalf of the Jewish people? Isn't the objective of the paschal lamb to be sacrificed? Doesn't the New Testament make it clear that Jesus' goal is to be crucified? Both Reiner and the antisemites completely misinterpret the story. The New Testament never says that Jesus died because he had an unfair trial or didn't receive due process. It states that Jesus is the paschal lamb. As I understand it, Gibson makes it completely clear that Jesus' death is a sacrifice and that Jesus was in control of the events that occurred. (Satan to Jesus: We can stop this anytime you want to. And Satan is devastated when Jesus goes through with the sacrifice.) Whatever Gibson's prejudices against Jews, the Passion cannot be blamed for making people antisemetic.
5. Let's be honest and fair
Daniel ,   Atlanta USA   (08.26.06)
The New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus was crucified by the Romans, but it also shows that Jesus was vigorously opposed by Jewish authorities and Jewish street crowds of that time in history. That is what Gibson depicts in his movie, and it is historically accurate. The same attitudes can be seen in Jerusalem today. Maybe Rob Reiner should put on a "Jesus is Jewish" t-shirt and take a stroll through the streets of Meara Sharim before he classifies Gibson's depiction of the attitudes of some ancient Jews in the events leading up to the crucifixion of Jesus as anti-Jewish and innacurrate. Mel's comments when arrested for drunk driving were most definitely anti-Jewish, but his movie about the crucifixion was not. Reiner should be able to tell the difference if he is honest as a filmmaker and fair as a person, as he claims to be.
6. #1
L Reik ,   New York US   (08.26.06)
Not Moslem clerics, Djazain- Roman. Read the history before you go accusing Jews.
7. Jesus the Jew and the antisemitism!!!
Dani ,   Raanana   (08.26.06)
Even if it was true that Rabbis at that time were complacent to the crucification of Jesus, don't forget that in the end, it was a crime commited by Rommans on a good but common Jew: Jesus Christ!!. Since than, in the name of the Jew Jesus, millions of Jews have been killed by the church on a political spin similar to the Nazis or that the radical Islam is trying to copy.
8. It wasn't only Jews
NYC Girl   (08.26.06)
who criticized Gibson's film. At the time it was released, there were several interviews with Christian theologians who found it disturbingly anti-Semitic. They frequently cited his portrayal of Pontius Pilate and even the way the Jews were nearly all (except perhaps for Jesus, Mary and Mary Magdalene) shown with unattractive characteristics to make them appear less sympathetic.
9. Lesson of history to an arab in France
SR ,   NYC   (08.26.06)
So, Jesus was condemned by "some rabbis", ergo all Jews must be blamed and ostracized for eternity? How about this: Osama Ibn Laden's attack on US was blessed by some imamas. Therefore, all Muslims must bear responsibility for eternity. Besides, did you know that there was no such concept as "Muslim" during Jesus' time? You remind me of this Russian self-styled religious idiot I met many years ago. He believed that Jesus was Russian and when I jokingly informed him that Jesus was a Puerto-Rican, he called me a blasphemer. Your question points to the well-known main reason for anti-Jewish sentiment: utter Stupidity and Ignorance of majority of gentiles.
10. to # 3
Djazaïri ,   France   (08.26.06)
I don'care wether Jesus was or wasn't jewish (although I think he wasn't) but the fact is that he was condemned by rabbis. Gibson's movie is accurate on this point. I can feel in your writing your contempt for Jesus. Typical zionist attitude.
11. to # 6
Djazaïri ,   France   (08.26.06)
I think I'm most accurate than you are : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Arrest.2C_trial.2C_and_death
12. to # 7
Djazaïri ,   France   (08.26.06)
Ignorant; Jesus was charged and condemned by rabbis, not by Romans. He was executed by Romans. Islam has nothing to do with your stupid ideologies. Muslims consider Jesus as a prophet but discharge Jews of his death because according to the Coran it wasn't Jesus who was crucified. Muslims have no problems with judaïsm but with zionism.
13. WHO CARES NO ONE IS ALIVE TO SAY WHAT RALLY
ROBERT   (08.26.06)
HAPPEND, LETS FACE IT ITS ALL MUMBULJUMBLE ANY WAY. BUT ONE THING I DO KNOW FOR A FACT MEL GIBBSON IS A BIGIOT AND A PRIZE ASS **@!!!%****
14. Lessons of history to a zionist of NYC (#9)
Djazaïri ,   France   (08.26.06)
The fact is that Jesus was sentenced by rabbis. All insanities you write can't change it. You should learn about the subject before writing about it. You talk about Osama Ibn Laden. On my own, I don't really know who he is. I think he is closer to CIA and Mossad than to people like me. Zionists seem to know a lot of things about him, much more than muslims do. I find it very strange. I know there wasn't such a concept as muslim at the period of Jesus, it was a joke you weren't clever enough to catch.
15. You mean it's not true?
Steve G ,   Kew Gardens, NYC   (08.26.06)
You mean it's not true? I spent all this money making my nose enormous ? And then $10,000 worth of orthodonture to make all my teeth crooked to be like the Jews in Mel's movie and now you're telling me it's NOT TRUE? Next thing you'll be telling me is that the Italians killed him......
16. To No. 10
NYC Girl   (08.26.06)
You don't think Jesus was Jewish? What the hell you think he was...a Mormon? Idiot.
17. I am 100% positive Jesus wasnt a Jew!!.....
Alan ,   SA   (08.26.06)
.. he couldnt have been ,because Jesus is a Peurto Rican name .
18. Anti-Semitic
Mary-Anne ,   Ancaster, Canada   (08.26.06)
Speaking as a Christian, I would have to say that Jesus Christ would not have held the Jews culpable for his crucifixian. I believe that had I been living in that time, seeing an ordinary looking man claiming to be the Messiah, I am sure that I would have been one of the first in line to accuse him of blasphemy. There is no sin in men defending the very core of their beliefs. Any one of us would have done the same thing. The portrayal of his arrest, trial and death are not anti-Semitic. Do you think for one minute that he didn't know what would happen to him when he spoke words such as "those who have seen Me have seen the Father". Jesus is not about hate in anyway. Mankind, particularly certain churches, used this piece of history to encourage hatred of the Jews of whom they were overwhelmed with jealousy. Unless the story played out the way it did, there would not be salvation for gentiles. My Lord was a Jew. How can I hate the Jews and call myself a Christian?
19. WE'VE GOT NO"SAINT CAIFA"NOR"SAINT HERODE"NOR TEMPLE ANYMORE
NELSON FAIER ,   RIO DE JANEIRO   (08.26.06)
IF WE HAD ANY COMITMENT TO THAT STORY WE'D HAVE THE THREE ONES!
20. "BRIAN'S LIFE"ACCURATE,JESUS,EVERYTHING WAS A JEWISH STORY
NELSON FAIER ,   RIO DE JANEIRO   (08.26.06)
21. Djazairi doesn't know who OBL is (14)
sk ,   USA   (08.26.06)
It's great that you have managed to undermine your slim credibility so quickly: "You talk about Osama Ibn Laden. On my own, I don't really know who he is. I think he is closer to CIA and Mossad than to people like me." Au contraire! With this statement you have just established that "people like you" are much closer to OBL than to a normal Westerner. I long for the time when Arabs are shipped back to Asia where they belong. They infect the West to our peril.
22. NO PROOF JESUS EXISTED
DEBRA ,   USA   (08.27.06)
THERE IS NO PROOF THAT JESUS ACTUALLY EXISTED.
23. Wow!
Sara ,   Texas   (08.27.06)
Could these talkbacks be any more obnoxious? I can't decide who's crazier - the nutty muslim dude who thinks Jesus wasn't Jewish, but Osama is, or the guy screaming for all muslims to be sent to Asia. I'm sure the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and other Asians would be thrilled with the influx. Jesus was Jewish, a rabbi in fact, with some very radical and heretical ideas. Your precious wikipedia might not agree, but 99.9% of the reliable historical sources will concur with that point. Osama definitely is not Jewish, Zionist, related to the mossad or the CIA. Once again, you might find some internet sources to support your crackpot theories, but, most of them are probably written by a 15 year old boy. As to the pissed-off Jews in this discussion, yes, Mel Gibson is a raving anti-semite; yes, the consistent finger-pointing of the Christian world over the past 2000 years at the Jews for crucifying Jesus was historically inaccurate (as far as we can tell, the sources are much trickier to understand given their many inconsistencies) and resulted in pogroms, genocide, edicts forcing Jews from their countries, the Spanish Inquisition, the KKK, the Holocaust, and other horrible crimes; and yes, Gibson's Passion of Christ follows that tradition that was rejected by Vatican II (finally). Although you are entitled to be pissed off by a history of injustice, and murder, ranting and raving like our Muslim friend just make you sound, well, crazy.
24. arabs
frank ,   usa   (08.27.06)
i do blame all arabs because of osama ben laden. why? because most of them are happy for what he has done but never show it. just like when the twin towers fell killing thousands of people, the good ol arabs and especially the palistinains were dancing in the streets throwing one big party.. ill never forget it as long as i live. all arabs laughing with glee and dancing on the streets because american people were dying. i blame ALL arabs
25. Mel Gibson Silliness
Mike Perry ,   Seattle, WA USA   (08.27.06)
Mel Gibson's critics need to watch The Passion. The people with a real beef against him are the Italians. The Roman soldiers are utterly sadistic. And if you look at his films as a whole, particularly Braveheart and Patriot, it suggest a rather nasty bias against the English rather than Jews. And, like it or not, this whining about negative film portrayals is the sort of thing that went on in Nazi Germany. The only time I've ever felt sorry for a Nazi leader was when I read about how Goebbels, as propaganda minister, had to face delegations of aggrieved groups when a new film was in progress. If it had a drunken plumber, then some plumbers union would show up complaining. And on and on and on. Cool it. As problems go, this doesn't make it into the top 100. If you have to worry about something, fret over things that matters, like the low birthrates and high intermarriage rates of Jews in America. Marriage and babies are the future. Mel Gibson is just an over-the-hill actor with a serious drinking problem. He's nothing. --Mike Perry, Editor of Dachau Liberated
26. #4 does not get the point of the movie
alan ,   Kodiak   (08.27.06)
Gibson, I am told as I did not want to pay him money for spitting on me, used many devises to make the Jews the evil ones. From their appearances to the analogies to their being under control of Satan, Gibson goes way beyond an Gosphel account. Sorry Dan. You did not see the anti semitism embedded in the movie. It was good to see Rob Reiner speak his mind for a change. Maybe Barbara the Striesand will now join him? Or would she not want to blacken her image as snow white?
27. to #1
Nina ,   Israel   (08.27.06)
Do you really play stupid or you're one? The romans killed Jesus according to the gospel and according to all other recordings!! Oh, yes, Judah spilled the beans so all Jews are guilty now even though they never killed him.
28. to #14
Nina ,   Israek   (08.27.06)
Jesus was a Jew. There was neither christianity nor Islam at the time, so what was he, a pagan?
29. Jesus
mick ,   nz   (08.27.06)
I did not see the movie, but I reccomend the book.. Particularly the 53rd chapter of Isaiah. It seems to describe a crucifiction of an innocent for the guilty. I am one of those and I am not Jewish
30. History versus NT
Paqid 16, Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (08.27.06)
Slurring any person for doing something right (in this case, Mr. Reiner) is wrong. For all of the history ignorami falsely claiming that "history" documents that rabbis condemned Ribi Yehoshua, learn the difference between a 4th-century Hellenist Roman book, the NT, and a history book. Prof. Elisha Qimron's definitive work on Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT proves that there were three primary sects of Judaism in the 1st century: Hassidim Sadducees evidenced, inter alia, in Qumran, Hellenist pseudo-Sadducee "Wicked Priests" in the Holy Sanctuary in Yerushalayim and the Pharisees. Both varieties of Sadducees were priests while the Pharisees were the ribis (a special kind of rabbi, see my website, below) and the Hellenist pseudo-Sadducees included the wealthy aristocracy. Ribi Yehoshua was tried and convicted in an illegal court (held at night and on a Jewish holy day) in the Holy Sanctuary in Yerushalayim. That makes it a certainty that he was tried and convicted by the Hellenist pseudo-Sadducee "Wicked Priests" who controlled and occupied the Holy Sanctuary in Yerushalayim and office of the High Priest (since "Jason" deposed his brother "Onias" for any genuine students of history). The Hellenist pseudo-Sadducee in the Holy Sanctuary in Yerushalayim are also documented to have been the only sect to hold illegal courts. Ergo, it was Hellenist pseudo-Sadducee "Wicked Priests" in the Holy Sanctuary in Yerushalayim who tried and convicted Ribi Yehoshua, NOT rabbis. It was also, btw, a distorted charge and unconnected to the political charge made by the Romans, for which the Romans executed him. For Mr. Gibson's movie to suggest that "Jews," generally, were responsible is a lie of ignorance, fostered by NT interpretations, that is contrary to the historical record. The NT is NOT a history book, wasn't even around until after the great apostasy of 135 C.E. and, the earliest extant church historian documented, was rejected by the original followers of Ribi Yehoshua -- the Netzarim Jews. Get an education in history before running off at the keyboard about history. You'll find further historical details in our website. (See, particularly, our History Museum pages.) Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
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