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Human rights group: Contempt for human life in Gaza
Ali Waked
Published: 03.09.06, 19:29
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31. Alex, #28
esther ,   raanana   (09.04.06)
Alex, have you just landed from Mars? Or are you on drugs? Or are you still in Russia? When exactly was there that Palestinian state you are talking about? When was it declared? Who were its neighbors? Where was its capital? When did Israel distroy it? How exactly is Israel denying Palestinian children education? Gaza has been under PA (Arafat/PLO) control since 1995 (the Oslo accords). Last year Israel dismantled and evacuated last Jewish settlements from Gaza, and pulled out ALL soldiers from Gaza. Upon which Palestinians elected a Hammas government which has transformed Gaza, all of Gaza, into a rocket launching pad (rocket science laboratory as one of the contributors to this forum has so eloquently put it). This is what Gaza (and West Bank) is all about, along with Hezbollah and Iran, among others. You are living in a free country that encourages freedom of speech. You can access the net. You can find the truth for yourself. Or are you perhaps a viewer of AL-Manar or Al-Jazeera? Please consider the following: http://youtube.com/watch?v=cnwg0fIGbWQ http://youtube.com/watch?v=zqFLNJEiclM&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?v=u47hleI-iBA&mode=related&search= (14 year old dispatched on a suicide bombing missue) http://youtube.com/watch?v=bra6rDO_FeQ&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=PkC_2NwyoWE http://youtube.com/watch?v=T-7kid5yFhw&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?v=x-SV30CWRN8&mode=related&search= http://youtube.com/watch?v=UgzB5n3Cuv0&mode=related&search= This is justice served in Iran: noiri.blogspot.com just scroll down and click on the angry smiley or the skull beneath it. This is global jihad: this is what Iran, Hezbollah and Hammas are all about. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1432100742477106895&q=obsession
32. To ALEX
Michael ,   New York, USA   (09.04.06)
A. The Palestinians NEVER had a state. Where in history books or anywhere for that matter is there a Palestinian state? In fact prior to 1967 there were no people who identified themselves as Palestinians. This identification was invented as a way to destroy Israel by claiming that Israelis stole their land. It was never their land to steal, and much of the land was purchased from ARABS, not Palestinians (which did not exist). B. No one ever denied Palestinian children an education. IN fact the PALS are so good at providing their children with an education that they very successfully teach them to hate. No one ever said Jews were better than PALS, but Jews always took care of their own, and didn't whine when the world stops givinig them welfare. They merely pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and built a country. So, ALEX, get your facts straight before you mouth off stupidly like you just did.
33. Alex #28
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (09.04.06)
You hinge all of your statements on Jews telling others "they are better than them." Provide evidence that the Jewish race does this or shut the hell up already!
34. IMO
susan ,   USA   (09.04.06)
I personally think that the Palestinian health minister needs to recognize the right of Israel to exist in peace, and then convince Hamas to give up their aim of destroying and replacing Israel with an Islamic theocracy. If they change, then there will be less palestinian suffering.
35. to alex
susan ,   use   (09.04.06)
What country existed? Do you know the difference between regions and nations?
36. #35 Susan
Alex ,   Washington, DC, USA   (09.04.06)
And all those who are denying Palestine and it's existence. Palestine existed before Israel did and Israel was established on Palestinian land... Stop living the lies that your politicians keep pumping in your heads...just read that article on Ynet, about how the polls show that Israeli citizens find Nasrallah more credible than Peretz...Anyone is more credible than Israel's current leaders. They all lie through their teeth and deceive you, and you are so naive not to question them...
37. #28 Alex
Don Saliman ,   Nahal Oz, Israel   (09.04.06)
Are you are moron or an Idiot? You have no idea of histroy. Please give us facts about a Palestine state in history. You can fool a lot of people with your false history,but most of us here are not stupid, like you think we are.
38. Alex (36) a brief history lesson
NL ,   Israel   (09.04.06)
The entity Palestine did exist, but not in its current form. To clear things up: the land of Israel (not the state)existed first. When the Romans conquered the land, they changed the name to Palestine - based on the word 'Philistine' - as an insult to the Jews. When the Ottoman empire ruled the area (1500s to 1917), it was called the Palestine province. At that time, both Jews and Arabs were known as Palestinians (Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs, respectively). This province also contained large areas of Jordan, Lebanon, etc. The French and British arbitrarily split up the area from the years following WWI up to 1948, at which point the area under the British mandate was also known as Palestine and, once again, both Jews and Arabs were known as Palestinians. Regarding your claim of theft, much of the land was owned by Arab and Turkish landowners and sold to the Jews. This is documented. Also documented is that large Arab migration took place as a result of Jewish immigration to Israel in the late 1800s, in order to help work the land. Even more importantly, it is documented that most Arabs fled the region (were not chased out) in 1948 at the urging of Arab leaders. I'm not denying that there was occasional violent treatment of Arabs, such as in Deir Yassin. (Btw, there had been several large massacres prior to Deir Yassin by regional Arabs of Jews, such as setting the regional immigration center on fire and shooting everyone who came out, but I digress). BTW, this information is well-documented by several non-Jewish sources. Pursuant to the UN resolution in support of a state of Israel in 1948, there was still no independent country known as Palestine. West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt. And, by the way, the call for a Palestinian homeland did not target these territories, which are now touted erroneously as the crux of the issue. No, the PLO wanted the whole of the nation of Israel, all the Jews gone, and they called for it in 1964, 3 years before Gaza and West Bank were annexed to Israel. Your bombastic yet unsupported statements make me wonder: do you consider 'fascist occupation' as Jewish presence in the Middle Eastern region? If so, two questions: 1. How do you address the Jewish families who never left Israel and have lived here for centuries in Tiberias, J'lem, Safed... 2. How do you justify your opinion as being fair and not merely another form of racism?
39. #37 and #38
Alex ,   Washington, DC, USA   (09.04.06)
You can call Palestine whatever you want (a Province, a British Mandate, a State, a country, a nation or even a farm). It doesn't matter...it's still PALESTINIAN LAND that was raped by Jews to create what's called Israel today... Stop BS'ing yourselves...
40. 39 - Alex - still no facts
NL ,   Israel   (09.04.06)
Alex, you keep mentioning people BSing. BS means making a statement and not substantiating it with fact. Thus far, all you have done is repeated statements such as 'Palestinian land' and 'Israeli rape'. It is meaningless to claim that all others are wrong if you provide absolutely no evidence that you are right. You have yet to explain (even partially, even badly) how the land belongs to the current Palestinians. If things are as true as you claim, by all means, please expound the historical facts. If you are so right, then that shouldn't be a problem for you, as it seems to be. If you are so convinced of your correctness, then why do you never answer any question posited to you repeatedly on this site with anything more profound or fact-based than "you're BSing"? Please argue like a rational adult. BTW, regarding rape of the land: How do you call it rape of the land when there is clearly documented agricultural and technological development? Also, please note that Arabs who did not fight the Jews in 1948 and stayed in Israel currently are now citizens and have one of the highest rates of living in the Middle East compared to their Arab brethren in other countries. Additionally, they have the right to vote and hold seats in Parliament, a right not granted to most Arabs in neighboring countries. That doesn't sound particularly rape-like to me.
41. #39 What "Palestine" was like before Zionism
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.04.06)
http://www.jewish-history.com/Palestine
42. medical care
aline ,   Kfar Saba   (09.04.06)
Just two eeks ago my husband was in Ichilov Hospital. There was an Arab from Gaza being treated there and his brother, who knew English was there with him all the time to translate for him.
43. 1 In a nutshell you are right.
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
Then again the hero Arafat took about 4.5 to nearly 6 billion of aid money and put it in his own pocket. Those were the estimated numbers on his wealth at the time of death. The palestinian people, if they were liberated and had some smarts would go after Hamas and especially the corrupt Fatah and take all the aid money back, and use it for what is was supposted to be used for ...... the PALESTINIAN people.
44. 5 Alex your opinion becomes more irrelevant
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
by the day. The root cause of the problem has been the corrupt Arafat and Fatah. Now the corrupt Hamass has taken over. Grab some sense and see it for what it is. Have a nice day.
45. 7 Hitler was elected as well.
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
When you elect a party of hate and anti semeticism then surely there will be repercussions. Then again sammy, the criminal arafat did quite well with all the aid money he took from the palestinian people. Base case is that the palestinians should remove the idiots at hamas and elect someone that can get them jobs and creat an economy. As a palestinian isnt forty or fifty years of world sponsored welfare enough. Let the people get ahead in life and be happy. Exterminate Hamas and fatah and all the criminal thugs in charge in gaza. Power to the people.
46. 15 I could not say it any better the criminals of fatah and
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
hamas should be exterminated or removed from their job. These people are selling out the palestinian people and should be tried for treason by the palestinian people.
47. 21 Those from god do the right thing.
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
It does not matter your religion nor political affiliation. The criminals from hamass and fatah will be found out by the palestinian people. These people are traitors to the palestinian people.
48. 24 most want to be part of israel.
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
Look you wont have to worry about someone coming to your house in the middle of the night and taking you away. Who wants 80 percent unemployment. Hamass is so inept they can not even get an economy going. Their whole idiotic platform is based upon the destruction of Israel. Haniyeh should be tried as a traitor by the palestinian people. He carries on the criminal acts of arafat and fatah.
49. 36 Wrong again. palestine did not exist before
freedom ,   canada   (09.04.06)
Israel. Read your history books, and from a few sources. Not the Hizbullah-Hamas history book.
50. Alex, explain your fixation with Jews
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (09.04.06)
51. #40, #41, and #44
Alex ,   WASHINGTON, DC, USA   (09.04.06)
My facts to you are Fiction and my "opinion becomes more irrelevant" because it contradicts your zionist propaganda and agenda...After all, I am on a zionist website, what the hell should I expect, truth and honesty? NOT!!!
52. Alex - well said and U Made alot of Sense.
Sammy ,   Canada   (09.04.06)
Israel did rape and stole Palestine LAND From the people who opened thier arms for the Jews immigration whom fled WWI/II and Palestine only country allowed them to enter when others turn them away. Israel Way to say thank you to palestinians by Debriving them from a state and freedom to live. 50 yrs later Israel still dictating and destroying every peace effort towards a palestinian state. What happened to Oslo greement? and all the UN resolutions? Israel was able to move Berlin Wall from Germany to Gaza so they can acheive security. Only time Israel will achaeive security by negotiation and peace talks. Violence only bring more violence in the region. For god sake enouigh is enough put your differnces a side and live in peace or leave in peace.
53. #50
Alex ,   Washington, DC, USA   (09.04.06)
Perhaps you should request that Ynet post my messages that clearly prove how criminal the State of Israel and Even our own U.S. Government. References included... But that's not happening... And is "my fixation with Jews" supposed to be your way of calling me an antisemite? Ynet, please post my messages for the 6th time...thank you.
54. I will quote you on your fixations, Alex.
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (09.04.06)
#28, I wrote that "You hinge all of your statements on Jews telling others "they are better than them." " You make a broad claim and implicate all Jews. You call Israelis worse than barbarians as though no other body of people, including Americans, Turkish, Arabs, Sudanese, etc behave worse than barbarians. So by isolating Jews and Israelis for comments that really apply to most groups, I believe you have a particular fixation with Jews. Care to clarify?
55. Who are you or rather Where are when Jews are concerned
Georgette ,   Los Angeles, US   (09.04.06)
I am yet to hear any protest from you people (call yourself "Human Rights") about the rights of Israel to exist in peace without the constant fear being blown up to pieces by suicide bombers, kidnapped, tortured and killed, knifed while walking, and so on...I think you should rename your organization the "The arab;s Rights group against the existence of Jews". Whil you at it, please place swastika on your sight asthe logo
56. Answers to NO. 38
Sammy ,   Canada   (09.04.06)
Thanks for your history lesson. I am glad at least YOU admit the Existence of Palestine. But 1>how you explain that 99% of jews are immigrated from EU, Africa ..etc. 2> how do you explain people of Palestine who existed and lived in this land for Centrues - do they deserve the suffering that they going through right now? 3> You are talking about Being Fair - Look at the palestinians are living in a big Prison in Gaza and westbank - you are controlling the air they breath is this freedom and democracy israel pormoting? 4> GO back to school and read some history about palestine and Islam And learn also how the jews and arabs came from Ibraham and always lived in peace for centuries. The problem here is not being a jew or a moslem. The issue is You know how to be fighter but never know how to be peace maker. I only can ASK you one thing - what does is take to get you to shake hands and Kiss and makup and live in Peace?? How many people need to die to make that happen? Also to answer you question no 1: Arab Jews lived everywhere in that region they are arab jews in Iraq, syria yemen ..etc - is this mean the whole Mideast belong to Israel?
57. #52 Thank you Sammy
Alex ,   Washington, DC, USA   (09.04.06)
It's become quite obvious to me that Israeli Jews are afraid that admitting the truth if ONLY ONCE will deflate there Zionist Bubble! That's sooooo Sad!!!
58. to #52
jason white ,   afula,israel   (09.04.06)
Hey samir are you demented or on drugs?The palis did not let Jews in during WWII. The limies were in charge and they refused to allow Jewish refugees in,because it would anger the arabs. There were many arabs who supported hitler and there were sites for concentration camps to be built outside of jenin and nablus. If anyone leaves here it will be the arabs,they have twenty two other states.
59. contempt for human life in gaza
debbie ,   israel   (09.04.06)
I have a great idea! Why don't they start to smuggle in medicines and medical supplies, instead of bombs, rockets and ammunition. Then the Palestinian population will be able to be treated in hospitals, and Israelis will get to live.
60. YES to contempt of the non-human terrorists that are not
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica,CA USA   (09.04.06)
"human life" in Gaza. The people in Gaza are the textbook definition of terrorist, the textbook definition of barbarian. They believe they have a "right" to kidnap an Israeli soldier and a "right" to free Israeli medical care. This is a textbook case of "Do not be kind to a cruel person..."
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