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First pro-Israel lobby in EU set up
Itamar Eichner
Published: 06.09.06, 11:33
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1. About time!
Anthony ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (09.06.06)
About time we do something about our image in Europe. I grew tired of seeing Arabs mastering the art of PR while Israel was just doing nothing. Let's hope this organization will grow and do a good job.
2. Great to see this happening
John Corish ,   Dublin, Ireland   (09.06.06)
As I've written repeatedly in these talkbacks, Israel properly belongs to the European family. I hope this marks the first step in Israel being granted full EU membership. As I've also said before, the case for Israel's accession to Europe is stronger than that of many other countries.
3. Olmert & Livni have better things to do???
AB ,   TheRock   (09.06.06)
What a good impression it makes that the PM and the FM don't show up! Makes you wonder who's side they're on.
4. Excellent!
(09.06.06)
5. God prosper this endeavor abundantly. In Jesus name, amen.
(09.06.06)
Contact: www.aipac.org and www.cufi.org for assistance brother!
6. israel is too far away
thommy ,   @nr2   (09.06.06)
israel is to far away from europe sure it would fit in but also it would cause a lot of problems the enemies of the european union would get new ammunation also good organisation
7. Brit MPs are so terrified of losing their cushy jobs that...
Alan ,   SA   (09.06.06)
they even FORCED Tony Blair to leave his job ASAP.(latest news from UK) Although Muslims are only 1.6 Million in 60 Million in UK they managed to intimidate their left wing sitting MPs to pressure Blair to give a departure date.If they didnt agree ,they told the MPs that they will vote for the even more left party ie "Respect" of George Galloway or "Liberal Democrats" who are in favour of any policy that gives them a job in the UK Parliament. WHY DO I TELL YOU THIS??? Europe has millions of voting Muslims who will pressure these new Pro Israel Europoliticians.. They will find it difficult but they must be strong and hang in there.We wish them well!!
8. I just hope it won't be filled with Christian loons like #5
(09.06.06)
9. Divided loyalty can lead to treason
Yohanan ,   Sion / Switzerland   (09.06.06)
Who's interests will members of such an AIPAC-type pro-Israel lobby in Europe defend in case of conflict, Europe'e or Israel's?
10. ALL THE EU NEEDS IS TO READ THE BIBLE - www.icej.org
ANDREW ,   MIAMI,FL   (09.06.06)
AND NATURAL ALLIES WE SHAL BE ALL THE PEOPLE IN EUROPE MYST BE IS GET BACK TO THEIR BIBLES - EXPEL THE BAD BAD CHRIST THAT MAKES THEM HATE - AND ACCEPT THE GOOD CHRIST THAT MAKES THEM LOVE
11. Pro Israel Lobby
tommy ,   belfast UK   (09.06.06)
Well It should not be too hard to refute the lefties version of history--If it were not for the fact that lefties can't hear reason or truth and they would have to stop beating their breasts in anguish at the mention of islamofauxbia. Besides reality might drive them mad :)
12. To no*8*
tommy ,   belfast UK   (09.06.06)
I just cannot remember ever coming out of church after listening to a sermon that preached physical hatred and death to non christians
13. Way to go!
Isac ,   Florida   (09.06.06)
Eurabian should become finally pro Israel. It would be much better off. More prosperity, more culture, no bombings, no intimitations!!
14. #8 It's 'Christian loons" like #4
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (09.06.06)
that form the backbone of our support in the U.S. Please don't insult them.
15. #9
Uziel   (09.06.06)
I think the purpose of such a lobby, unnecesary in my opinion, as Europe is a cursed land ( craddle of the most cruel and bloody human experiments such as communism, fascism, colonialism, slavery, etc), is precisely to prevent such a clash beetween Europe and Israel. This is a feasible idea b/c both sides share much of political and human values, what makes them allies in case of a clash of "civilizations". Everybody ponders in who´s side the loyalty of some hundreds of thousands of jews leaving in Europe lies, despite having bleed abondantly in the past and in the present on behalf of almost all the countries of the continent, not to mention the rest of their immense contribution. But everybody keeps mum about what the millions of muslums would react when ( and not "if") the Western civilization, with Europe at the forefront, will have a death or life showdown with their society of origin..In the meantime their contribution is cheap work, and a lot of violence and tension.
16. Christian support of Israel
Adamush   (09.06.06)
You know these loonies only support Israel because they believe Jesus Christ is going to return to Earth and kill all Jews and Muslims unless they convert to Christianity on the spot. I'm not making this up! And all this based on some warped interpretation of a dodgy translation of the narcotics-induced rantings of a late Second Temple-era crackpot. They may be friendly now and yes, they do have pots of money but if they ever get a even a whiff of their Second Coming they'll become very very nasty indeed. Just so you know.
17. "Israel is too far away"
Arik ,   London England   (09.06.06)
So, in 1938 was Czechoslovakia. Result - WW ll
18. At last! Why did Foreign Minister Tzipi ...
Hans ,   Markdorf, Germany   (09.06.06)
... cancelled her participation? It´s not so easy to stand up for Israel over here. Give them some support to lift off.
19. Adamush, slight exaggeration
Jake   (09.06.06)
First of all, most of these Christian groups are not supporting Israel in order to kill Jews later. The great war that is supposedly going to take place will claim lots of Christian lives too, according to them. At any rate, they believe Israel will prevail in the end. Second of all, the Muslims have explicit prophecies that the final battle will involve the mass murder of Jews by the Muslims, and this is described in the Hamas covenant. The Muslims believe in the PRO-ACTIVE need to kill Jews.
20. #8 - lol - Christian loons support Israel for good reason
Christian loon ,   USA   (09.06.06)
A simple rule of thumb re: "Christian" support for Israel: Conservative 1 - The more a Christian esteems the Bible (Torah, Tanakah and New Testament) as the divinely inspired Word of God, the more likely they are to support Israel. Such Christians are known as "Bible believing" or "Bible based" Christians. These are the "Evangelical" Christians who solidly support Israel and Jews. They are from all Christian denominations. Liberal 2 - The more liberal the "Christian" is towards the Bible, the more likely they are to remain indifferent to Israel and view Israel as any other people or world crisis. They are also more likely to accept the false "Doctrine of Substitution". Further, many such liberals have no qualms censuring and working against pro-Israel initiatives and politicians. Bible believing Christians find anti-Israel/Jewish actions blasphemous since the Bible repeatedly confirms God's eternal love and commitment to Israel on virtually every page in the Bible from Genesis through Revelation. Demographics: Christian’s comprise every demographic and ethnic group of the world. Christianity is the religion of the wealthiest nations on earth, and the world's largest. Judiasm: .22% = 14 Million Christianity: 33% = 2.1 Billion Islamic: 21% = 1.3 Billion The Christian faith is equally based in the exact same Torah - Tanakah in which Jews believe, as well as the New Testament. Simply put, the closer to scripture the Christian is in belief and practice, the closer to pro-Israel; the further from scripture, the further from pro-Israel (even into anti-Israel/Jewish actions). ====================== In discussing "Christians" it is best to study the Bible by which all professed Christian's are irretrievably bound. On Judgment Day, Christ said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' [Meaning, one is in Christ] will enter the kingdom of heaven … only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 7:21 Thus, Christian’s are called to "know and do the will of God". We know His will by knowing the Bible. ================== Here's what God says, ...I AM the God of...Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob…" Exodus 3:6 [*Jews are incredibly special to God. No Christian can ignore this] …I will defend this city [Jerusalem] for my sake and for the sake of my servant David." II Kings 20:6 [*Therefore, Christian’s are to support Israel’s defense] .I AM Israel's Father. Jeremiah 31: 9 [*Christian’s are called to remember what this means and entails. No loving Father wants His children mistreated by anyone; least they invite His wrath] …I will turn their mourning into gladness… Jeremiah 31: 13 [*Therefore, Christians are required to promote Jewish gladness, NOT grief] Save thy people [Israel], and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever. Psalm 28:9 [*Here to, Christians are required to promote the same. While recognizing only God can lift forever] …a light for revelation to the Gentiles and for glory to your people Israel." Luke 2:32 [*All Christian’s owe eternal gratitude to Israel for Jesus Christ the Messiah] _____________________ Christians ardently believe the preceding to be God's Word as contained in our Holy Bible, which again, includes the entire Hebrew Torah and Tanakh. Therefore, no amount of anti-Israel actions is going to change these beliefs. On the contrary, many Christians view such as completely ungodly and certainty of God's wrath. Therefore, it is not so much "Christians" who "support" Israel and Jews (we certainly do). It is the Word of God which supports Israel; we just happen to believe it. _____________________ "Jesus Christ, the Greatest Jew ever…" Albert Einstein [Smart Jewish guy!]
21. to Uziel / *15
Yohanan ,   Sion / Switzerland   (09.06.06)
1) Didn't you forget one "ism" that Europe, the "cursed land", "craddle of the most cruel and bloody human experiments", also gave birth to, namely sionism? 2) Hasn't the head-on clash of Bush-lead US politics with the Muslim world considerably deepened the rift between Muslims and the Western civilization, instead of reducing the risk of a destructive showdown?
22. EU Friends
Loon Too ,   bradenton   (09.06.06)
Christian Loons are the only ones who really care about Israel
23. Loony tunes.
Dingo ,   USA   (09.07.06)
#20 is right. He/she/it is a loon. Even if you believe in a literalist interpretation of the Bible and therefore violate Paul's admonition in Cor. 2 sec 3 "The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life" the interpretations offered are so unnaturally forced and just plain concocted when applied to the modern political situation in the ME that one wonders what the poster's REAL agenda is. Another child of Darby brings us closer to universal destruction.
24. EUROPEAN COALITION 4 ISRAEL
Luc Henrist ,   Brussels, Belgium   (09.07.06)
Thank you for this info. Could you give us the link to their Web site or point of contact ? Also, did you know that the "European Coalition for Israel" was launched in March 2004. It is a "Christian Initiative Promoting European-Israeli Cooperation" See their Web Site for more details: http://www.ec4i.org/
25. #23 Dingo
Christian "loon" ,   USA   (09.07.06)
Dingo: #20 ... is a loon. #20: So were Abraham, King David, Solomon, Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, the Apostles, Christ, etc. Dingo: "literalist interpretation of the Bible..." ...violate[s] Paul's admonition in Cor. 2 sec 3 "The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life" #20: Your post indicates you are not Christian. Please speak what you know. Clearly, it is not scripture. The reference you make regarding the Apostle Paul relates to "The Letter of the Law (Mosaic) and The Spirit of the Law (Mosaic). Romans 8:1-2 ----------------------------- EXAMPLE: Letter: "I will bless those who bless you [Israel], and curse those who curse you." Spirit: World super powers that "cursed" Jews are no longer world super powers (if they still exist): Ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Rome, Spain, Nazi Germany, etc. The Letter and Spirit are mutually complementary, supportive and interchangable (literal and figurative); so it also applies in reverse. Letter: World super powers that "cursed" Jews are no longer world super powers (if they still exist): Ancient Babylon, Ancient Egypt, Rome, Spain, Nazi Germany, etc. Spirit: "I will bless those who bless you [Israel], and curse those who curse you." ----------------------------- Dingo: "when applied to the modern political situation in the ME ... one wonders what the poster's REAL agenda is. #20: Scripture is applicable in all situations and timeless. Your quote of Paul suggests you agree with his statements. The Apostle Paul was and expert in Jewish Law, 1. A "Jew of Jews" 2. Student of the Great Rabbi Gamaliel 3. A Pharisee 4. A Sanhedrin Therefore, the Apostle Paul obviously read the Torah and Tanakah: "...O Bethlehem ...of Judah ...out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." (Micah 5:2) "For unto us [Israel] a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and His name will be called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6) The Apostle Paul said, "..."Men of Israel...listen to me! The God of the people of Israel chose our fathers, ...in Egypt... he led them out...he overthrew seven nations in Canaan and gave their land to his people [Israel] as their inheritance. " "Brothers, children of Abraham...it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers he has fulfilled for us...by raising up Jesus. ... Acts 13: 16-17, 19,26,32-33 Jesus Christ said, "Salvation [Himself] is of the Jews..." John 4:22 -------------------- #20: The "agenda" is scriptural truth, which is vital in this time of increasing agressions against Israel. And to remind EVERY CHRISTIAN what the Bible says about Israel and why we are bound and blessed to support Israel. No one has to believe it, much less pick up a Bible (Torah, Tanakah, and New Testament) and confirm it for themselves. Dingo: Another child of Darby brings us closer to universal destruction. #20: John Nelson Darby epitomizes pro-Israel Evangelical Christian support for Israel and its scriptural basis. Scripture speaks of "universal destruction" (i.e., Apocalypse), Daniel, Ezekiel, Revelation.. and how to avoid perishing in it in the here and hereafter. ----------------------- Messiah & Israel in Prophesy http://theprophecies.com/Messiah1.html Torah, Tanakah & New Testament Prophesies Mesh http://theprophecies.com/propheciespage.html The Prophesies e-Book: Read entire book Free on-line (153 pages) http://theprophecies.com/book/prophecies.pdf PS: Here are more pro-Israel Christian "loons" www.cufi.org http://christgiving.com/01-Support_Israel.html
26. Israel
Samuel ,   Detroit   (09.08.06)
Israel has not done a damn thing for the USA except take our tax dollars. It is not in our best interest to support it. I am a U.S. citizen that is part of a growing number of people that feel the same way. Thank God we are waking up!
27. Israels Crimes and Europe
Anna ,   UK   (11.07.07)
Israel should have no place in Europe. until it conforms to international and human rights law. First, it is contravention of more UN Resolutions than any country in history. Second, John Dugard said that it should be taken to the ICJ for a new ruling for crimes of Apartheid. The ICJ has ruled that the Wall is illegal and should be dismantled, that the settlements are illegal and should be evacuated, that the checkpoints should be dismantled and the military occupation of Palestine should end. The siege of Gaza shames every decent person, including every decent Jew. Europe should exercise a complete boycott of Israel until it learns to behave in a human and respectful way to its fellow human beings.
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