the settlers are behaving like the palestinians - acting like total jerks while expecting the army to respect their "rights". what about the rights of the soldiers? why should the army treat the settlers as friends when the settlers do not see the army as their friend? if the settlers act like the army is the enemy, they will get treated as such. the road runs both ways.

Yet another kapo speaks out! Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the subject of the tens of thouands of illegal Arab settlements? Or are the Israeli government just discriminating against the Jews???

Enough of these right wing lunatics pairing themselves with Hezbollah!! Hezbollah did not win the war! Ben Gvir, you're the enemy of Peace, just like your counterparts in Hamas and Hezbolla.

When they banned Rabbi Kahane and Kach from The Knesset the Rabbi exclaimed: You don't want Kahane, so you will get Arafat (in Tunis at the time).Same thing now. Bezek and peace now dont want Jewish "settlers" ,so you will get peace loving Hamas.

THE SELF DESTRUCT DOUBLE STANDARD by Yoram Ettinger, January 20, 2006 Illegal Arab construction has become a norm, led by the Palestinian Authority (many PA officials reside in illegal homes), bankrolled by Saudi petrodollars and observed by the wide-closed eyes of Israel. Illegal construction has become an effective means to challenge Jewish sovereignty over Jerusalem, to undermine major infrastructure and housing projects in the Negev and Galilee, to limit the freedom/security of Jewish movement along major transportation arteries, to facilitate terrorism and to exacerbate crime. Over 1,000 illegal houses are built annually – by Jerusalem Arabs – since 1997. Only 30-40 are demolished by the authorities. About 10,000 illegal houses are built, annually, by "Green Line" Arabs in the Galilee, Negev, "Triangle", Lod and Ramleh. About 100 are demolished. Since 1967, there has been more Arab residential (largely illegal) construction in Jerusalem than Jewish construction in the capital of the Jewish State. But, Israel is enforcing the law in an iron-fist manner when it comes to a few scores of Jewish houses throughout Judea & Samaria and Hebron (built on a Jewish-registered property, which was ravaged by Arabs in 1929). Legal and governance impotence have characterized Israel's battle against illegal Arab construction, which threatens Israel's sovereignty and the rule of law in Jerusalem and all over the country. Palestinian documents, found at the PLO's "Orient House", highlight illegal construction as a key instrument in the campaign to erode the Jewish character of Jerusalem. According to the documents, the Palestinian Authority (PA) has enticed illegal construction in Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods of Shoafat, Beit Haninah and A-Zaim, in order to prevent continuity between the Jewish neighborhoods of French Hill and Pisgat Ze'ev, and to avert the unification of Jerusalem and Ma'aleh Adoumim. Illegal construction is raging along Highway 443, the critical road from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, with the aim to transform it into an Arab road, threatening the security of Jewish transportation. While a 1999 Palestinian document anticipated that Israel was determined "to demolish 400-500 illegal houses in Beit Haninah and Shoafat", a 2000 document notified the PA that "no need to worry", since Israel would only demolish a few houses, and illegal construction could proceed with full speed ahead. For instance, illegal construction in the Jerusalem Arab neighborhood of Silwan has been a platform for intensified terrorism and felony. Forging real estate titles has proliferated in the Arab sector, robbing state-owned land as well as privately owned Arab land, fueling extortion, protection, gang-wars and the importation of illegal Arab residents from Hebron and other towns to Jerusalem – a fertile ground for terrorism.

In preparation for the ethnic cleansing of 10,000 Jews from Gaza and north Samaria, millions of dollars were spent in training that involved brainwashing techniques. Soldiers were given specially designed uniforms and hats, backpacks and water canteens. In a ruthless military action on behalf of Road Map architects-US EU UN and PA/PLO, Hamas, Al-Qaida, Hizbullah/Syria/Iran, et al, 10,000 Jews were rendered jobless and homeless by 50,000 IDF and police - 20,000 more than the 30,000 forces sent into Lebanon to fight the war. Israel's leaders sent a powerful message to the terrorists that Jew deportation is Israel's top priority - not Israel's defense. During the war, Prime Minister Olmert declared that the war would pave the way for expelling Jews from Judea and Samaria. Jewish lives and land considered as valueless. The IDF entered the war with old equipment and lacking food and water - reservists lacking training and weapons were expected to fight against Iran's guerrilla army, Hizbullah fully trained and armed with the most advanced, sophisticated military equipment. The U.S. EU UN via the UN resolution were highly successful in preventing the goal vital to Israel's security - eliminating the rocket threat from Lebanon. World leaders are ruthless in repeatedly denying Jews the right to self-defense. JPost.com Israel Aug. 10, 2006 9:55 | Updated Aug. 10, 2006 9:56 US pressure prompts delay of offensive By YAAKOV KATZ AND AP The IDF General Staff postponed the expansion of ground operations in south Lebanon late Wednesday night, after the security cabinet earlier in the day approved a plan for a widened offensive that would take the army to the Litani River, over 20 kilometers from the border, and beyond, in an effort to prevent the incessant Katyusha rocket attacks on northern Israel. The troops were already rolling late Wednesday when they were ordered to halt. It appears heavy US pressure delayed the offensive to allow diplomacy to run its course... "We want an end to violence and we do not want escalations," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Wednesday hours after the Israeli Cabinet approved an expansion of the ground offensive in southern Lebanon.

With military leader like Bezek who appreciates the role of a military civil servant and their inherent loyalty to the state and democracy , our zionist enterprise has a future complete with security and justice

#3 if it weren't for the rightist movement in Israel Mizrachi Jews would have nothing save for the scraps thrown to them by the european Jews. The right at least has started bridging gaps which the left never bothered to do. The point is at the end of the day we're all Jews no matter where we came from so you can take your racist left and stuff it. #4 Kahane was tough and theres no disagreeing there. He however turned on Mizrachi Jews when they protested against the racism in the country. He was a deluded blood thirsty bas#$rd. It's one thing to be rightist in wanting to make your borders safe. It's another thing to be blood thirsty to the point where you turn on other Jews (which he so adeptly did).

While the Jews from Judea, Samaria, and Gaza serve in Lebanon, people like Bezak are promoted for having suppporting Sharon, Sharon Jr, Weisglass, Olmert, Olmert's wife, Olmert's children, Peres, etc. This gives a signal to other corrupt officials. Do like Olmert kids do and you are promoted.

Excuse me Mike from Israel, To be like a palestinian -one would have to intentionally shoot a 1 year old baby girl in the brain- pull over a pregnant woman -shoot her four children before her eyes then shoot and kill her in her stomach--- Perhaps you should adjudicate the situation - and examine your apparent inability to contront the evil of Israel's enemies -

did you read my talkback? or is that a knee-jerk reaction? i didn't think what i said was too complicated. read my talkback again. if you are still confused i'll explain to you in simpler terms.

Mike, it is hard to imagine that anyone could really be so ignorant. What exactly is it that the settlers do that offends you so? Is it that they identify unashamedly as Jews? Is it their belief that Jews should not forcibly deport Jews from their homes in settlements which the Government of Israel itself encouraged them to establish? Is it that their children actually die in battle to protect and preserve all of Israel while the Prime MInister's son and the sons of many of the leftist elite are draft dodgers? Is it the fact that the settlers force you to confront the reality that the Arabs aren't killing Jews to get land, they are killing Jews to kill Jews? Is it that they have the chutzpah not to quietly surrender to becoming victims to your "Oslo Psychosis" the symptoms of which are an unreasoning belief, even in the face of 13 years of reality to the contrary, that the war with the Arabs can be solved by "land for peace"? Or, is it simply the fact that they have been right all along about the folly of unilateral withdrawal and its inevitable consequences, namely, the creation of Hamas-stan on the west and east to coordinate with Hizbullahstan in the north in carrying out Ahmadinejad's "Final Solution of the Jewish/Zionist Entity Problem"? Who would ever have believed that any government of Israel would use 20,000 more soldiers to uproot Jews from their homes than it used against a mortal enemy of the State? So, Mike, who are you going to believe; Shimon Peres, Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni, Yossi Beilin, Amos Oz, or your lying eyes?

Jewish Spies Against Israel By David Bedein FrontPageMagazine.com | May 21, 2004 ...Documents shared with the Knesset Interior Committee confirmed that the Peace Now organization received a budget in the amount of 50,000 Euros from the government of Finland to conduct intelligence activities in Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, the Golan, Gaza and Jerusalem. ...This included regular bi-monthly ground surveys... Also included was a provision for aerial photography: twice a month a light plane is rented in order to allow “settlement” watch staff to ascertain the extent of ongoing physical expansion in existing “settlements.”... Peace Now defined its objectives to the government of Finland in the following manner: "To monitor settlement developments on the ground, accurately and reliably; to make this information available to the Israeli and international publics; to advance the fulfillment of the Road Map." ... Peace Now is far from being an indigenous Israeli organization, functioning instead as an agent for foreign governments. In fact, it indicated in the Finnish grant request that it also received $100,000 from the Americans and 150,000 Euros from "European Foundations" for its “settlement watch project.” Apart from the matter of funding, the major problem is that Peace Now documents sensitive information that can be used to jeopardize not only Israel’s public, but also its military. The Peace Now settlement expansion maps include military installations and the maps are featured in all PLO offices. Israeli army bases have been attacked and Israeli soldiers killed. These are the sons and daughters of Israel drafted to protect the country against a dangerous and heinous enemy.... For instance, in late May 2002, a settlement watch group organized by the “Christian Peace Makers Team” reported to its e-mail list that it had successfully photographed the fence surrounding the Carmei Tzur settlement. The CPT proudly reported that it had shown several breaches in the fence. The next day, the CSM met with the Fateh (Arafat’s mainstream terror group) in Bethlehem. Two days later, late at night, armed members of the Fateh infiltrated the Carmei Tzur settlement at the precise breach that the CPT had photographed. The Fateh used that breach to murder a civilian couple in their bed. The wife was eight months pregnant... http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=13470

don't think because i object to the settlers acting like jerks toward the army and police that i am ideologically opposed to them. i respect their position, just like i respect those on the left who have responsible positions (although i vigorously disagree with those on the left). the settlers can protest and object all they want, just like those on the left. neither should cross the line and disrespect the army and police by being violent and acting shamefully. punish the politicians at the voting booth, or at least persuade the electorate of the rightness of their position. but don't abuse the soldiers and police for doing their sworn duty. why take it out on them (your fellow jews)? if you have a problem with what i'm saying, fine. that just sounds to me like the anarchy that goes on among the palestinians.

we are good people we just want a small little piece of G-d given land to dwell in. we love jews and will die for the jewish people and the land of Israel. -not many people in tel aviv can relate.

They are the real enemy. And bazak should keep his mouth shut,then people might think he is smart.When he talks he sounds like a fool.And we have too many fools in the army.

you forget that we will never forget just who it was that murdered Peace and assassinated our Prime Minister . Never forget and never forgive Rabin !!!!

Read it for those that have no idea what was the ALTALENA AFFAIR http://www.jewishmag.com/20MAG/ALTALENA/altalena.htm Rabin killed 16 Jews in cold blood and imprisoned over 200.

this is a very thorny issue, and with all due respect, the settlers were some 250,000 people who held the State of Israel hostage for three caravans on top of one isolated hill. So many times 2-3 children from a settlement required two army jeeps and a tank in order to escort them to school and back on a daily basis. The settlers and a few orthodox insisted that we need to hold on to some tomb where Joseph or someone is buried, that they need to learn there, start a yeshiva, start a synagogue. The death toll exalted by these ideas - the settlers themselves and their children, and our soldiers, so many soldiers maimed and killed so that a few families can stay in Hebron or who knows where. And the huge handouts obtained as bribes or extortion from the government while the state cannot feed its poor and is closing down esential facilities for the handicapped - like blind people, or severely retarded people, while welfare education and health care, see painful cutbacks. Not to speak of the army - no money to equip tanks with defenses against anti-tank rockets!!! But there was never a shortage for settlers. And it's true, the vast majority are moderate and law-abiding and were probably driven by economic incentives. But their leaders were sometimes anti-statal and got away with it. And a large number of silent Israelis still hold them accountable for the assassination of PM Rabin. I know I will get a lot of hate-filled feedback, but someone has to admit it, we are like two different peoples - settlers value land and religion more than human life and their fanaticism equals that of all other fanatics. While the rest of the Israelis value LIFE and democratic principles. That was the problem, and the lack of communication, settlers did not want to listen to their brethren, they thought they were the chosen among the chosen and failed to learn their biblical lessons (love thy neighbor and the sanctity of life). I am a second-generation Holocaust survivor from Lvov, so I will take no shit from nobody concerning that subject!!! The settlers' use of Holocaust symbols was an insult to my family that was murdered in Lvov and in Nazi death camps, so save it! You degraded the victims' memory and should be ashamed of it! Nobody gave you the right or power of attorney to trample on my family's memory for your political goals and religious mindlessness. You got to love your fellow Jews more than this or that piece of land. Never wondered why no-one stood up for you when the settlments were dismantled? And the way your treated our young soldiers and policement - well, did nothing to improve your image, quite the contrary. Face the music! You are a small minority, growing farther and farther apart from the larger majority of Israelis who just want to live a decent life. You distance yourselves, you stay distant. Yuval Bazak is right - you thought that the army was your own private militia, funded by the state. Well guess what, you were wrong.

Was it the Jews in Yesha or your fellow Arabs? Who started all the wars against Israel, was it the Jews of Yesha or your fellow Arabs? Who started the recent war on Israel, was it the Jews of Yesha or your fellow Arabs? Look yourself in the mirror, who are you, a Jew or a Arab? MAYBE, JUST MAYBE if you stopped hating your fellow Jews and started worrying about those that actually kill your fellow Israelis we could finally have peace where Jews will be safe and have peace. Name Thy Enemy

The article said Rabin was rumored to be the commander (no real proof). However I really appreciate you putting the link as you've proven the left are a bunch of whores willing to sell out their souls (rabin included). I've always felt Israel would be much better off had Begin become the prime minister in 48 instead of that sell out Gurion the racist. gurion and the rest of his league of haters turned against immigrant Jews from the "darker" corners. While anyone can argue Begin never cared for the Mizrachi Jews but only saw political gain from them it still remains a fact that he opened up chanels the left never did and still doesn't do.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-1856469,00.html http://www.mideastweb.org/rabin1995.htm I read you're lies and I know who my enemy is ....... you and the settlers are the enemy of Peace and all mankind's enemy !!

http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/genocide/index.htm

You cannot allow, as the IDF, settlers to get away with breaking the law just because they don't like it. You have elected governments to set policy. If you don't like the policy, change the government. However, it's odd that Israel choses to be more of a police state than it needs to be by having the military arrest these settlers, instead of local police. It should be a police issue so that the military is not put in the position of fighting its won citizens. It is the job of the military to defend from external threats. It is the job of police to see that the law is upheld. --David Haggith

Let the dead rest. He had lots of faults, but there is a limit to carrying a grudge.

Hey Aaron - who is paying the taxes to support the IDF that protects you? Who is paying the taxes that provide you with water, electricity, roads, etc.? And you better believe that those Tel Avivians also go to the army and risk their lives, and keep going back in reserve duty. Who do you think you are to think you are the only Israelis who care about and sacrifice for Israel? Why should the people in Tel Aviv support you when you so obviously hold them in contempt? The settler movement is dying - because mainstream Israelis are tired of being played for suckers.

Ben Gurion sold the people and the Jewish state out? Hezbollah won the war big time? settlers are our greatest hope for security? (yes lets hand out guns in betar illit!?) Mofaz who was chief of staff and defense minister in the years leading up to this war is a potential savior (along with bibi)? Lieberman is anything but a populist demagougue, a thug and a bully? you guys are my brothers and my sisters (sometimes literally) and I love you dearly and worry for your physical and spiritual safety... but gimme a break.