Opinion  Ray Hanania
Pope uproar a misunderstanding
Ray Hanania
Published: 21.09.06, 22:01
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1. Don't quit your day job!
ilana   (09.21.06)
Do you make money off your propaganda? Every word the Pope uttered, although quoting another source, was correct and you know it! Islam is not a religion of peace. Their goal is to rule the world, by the S W O R D to convert or the S W O R D to kill. You also know this. Islam showed its true colors (red for blood) as they protested the Popes W O R D S. No amount of white washing can get the informed to see Islam as anything other than what it truly is - a group of misguided extremists who want to own the world but make no contribution or payment for it. Stick to comedy! Although, if this were not such a serious topic, I would say you made a good effort at comic relief with your article.
2. pointers
ygalg   (09.21.06)
Ray Hanania you touched fair points however you missed. what Christians at that time did contradicts Jesus teaching and they will prove it by their scrips. where Islam differs? what Christian practice in contradiction to Jesus teachings (violence) are now coded in Islam' teaching (scrips) and good Muslim is the one who goes by the book. Islam however have also a lot branches. Shiite and Sunni are the dominate but not the only branches exist. the similarities between Judaism and Islam it as the symbol yang and yang. the dark and the light. etc I advice you to visit faithfreedom.org it gives a lot information about islam from people who were part of it. such as Ali Sina. an apostate of islam. also the founder of the site faithfreedom.org
3. It's the difference between Catholic Christian & Evangelical
(09.21.06)
Bush is Evangelical
4. "P" in arabic
Sharon ,   Los Angeles   (09.21.06)
So the "Balestinians" do want "BEACE?" or maybe as the proper term is "FALLESTINIA" or FAKESTINIA - not to be confused with Frankenstein hence the FALLESTINIAS REALLY WANT FEACE! -- Fleece? But as they say in Arabic, "MAH FISH FALESTINIA" perhaps due to the odor of dead fish.
5. Violence and outrage over nonsense
Steve ,   USA   (09.21.06)
B"H Ray, what are you talking about? "Muslims are especially angered by the Pope’s comments that Islam was spread by the sword because most Muslims view the Pontiff as wearing a skullcap, which to them, reminds them of the Jewish people who also wear Yarmulkes or Kippahs." Spreading by the sword is not so bad, but wearing a skullcap is? Common Ray. If Hamas is raging a war over skullcaps, someone has seriously lost their mind, or their head is not fastened so well. Second, you state: "What the Christian Western world today views as a purely Islamic tradition of beheading was actually started in the year 385 by the Christians." That claim is as rediculous as Israel was originally settled by the Arabs. Beheading started way before that. and everyone knows that. Epictetus was a Greek Stoic c. 55 - c 135: —"Tell your secrets." —"I say not a word; for this is under my control." —"But I will fetter you." —"My leg you will fetter, but my moral purpose not even Zeus himself has power to overcome." —"I will throw you into prison." —"My paltry body, rather!" —"I will behead you." —"Well, when did I ever tell you that mine was the only neck that could not be severed?" [Epictetus, Discourses 1.1.22ff.] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epictetus Read your Bible, Ray. It has a lot of details that seem to have been missed in your Lutheran education. You might learn about the children Israel's claim to the Land of Israel, for example.
6. That popy will die soon.
Semon ,   Niece FR   (09.22.06)
7. You Are wrong sir
My Hope ,   Israel   (09.21.06)
Mr. Hanania. The difference in violence between Islam and Christianity is that there clear instruction in the Quran for Muslims to fight and kill the people of the Book and infidels for example the verse of the Sword in Sura Al Tauba and many other verses while there are no such instructions given in the New Testament. If the so called Christians mentioned in your article were violent, that is because they are only Christians by name. If I am in a Garage that doesn’t mean that I am a car. You see, we need to distinguish between Christians by name and real Followers of Jesus Christ.
8. converts
megan ,   Israel   (09.22.06)
notice the Jews dont go out forcing conversion..........can it be we are the only ones secure in our faith, we dont need to plunder and burn, torture and kill to "persude" people to become Jewish. Haven't seen Buhdhists doing it either.....Why convert someone that doesn't want to be converted, did christians and moslems really beleive these people went into their faith and actually wholeheartedly beleived in it.
9. Regrets
Michael ,   Seattle, WA   (09.22.06)
How many of us have made statements we have later regretted. We see the Pope as being "above human" but he, too, suffers our frailties. I hope we all don't suffer for his words.
10. MODERATE "TERRORIST"EFFETE MINDLESS ROBOT
p HENRY ,   longmont U S A   (09.22.06)
THIS JERK IS a complete LAUGHABLE BUFFOON, NO WONDER THEY OBSCURE COMMON SENSE AND REASON BY UNRESTRAINED HATRED AND VIOLENCE.SUFFER THE IDIOT"S CEASELESS SELF-AGGRANDIZING EGO TRIPS.
11. Micalel #9 Regrets?
ilana   (09.22.06)
Why should the Pope or anyone regret those remarks? They are true. If he does not stand by what he said then he should have many regrets. It is time to stop being PC and nice and tell the truth. Once these muslims are confronted instead of us backing down, they may have second thoughts to their desire to keep pushing us out to sea. Puleeease!
12. ON ISLAM ... And ANY 'Religion' Converts 'By The Sword'
Craig Crawford ,   Laguna Niguel USA   (09.22.06)
There are religions today who teach they must convert the world "by the sword," even using terror . . . The true God of Abraham, never forces Himself on anyone ... and never in the Bible does Jesus Christ (the Greek-English translation of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach) try to force anybody to believe in Him or to attend His church or synagogue. Jesus-Yeshua simply says that He "Stands at the door and knocks." We have to open that door and invite Him in. God tells us that He has given each and every man and woman a free will to decide for themselves whether or not to accept His offer of salvation (life in Heaven) through Jesus-Yeshua, the promised Messiah. God is looking for people to come to Him out of love. But, never does He ask others to force a non-believer to return, or try to force them into believing through threats of injury or death. God shows us the only places we will find these coercive conversion tactics are from those who are driven by a depraved spirit and the dark power of Satan. If you belong to a religion, or church, that follows a prophet or worships a god who is so small and insecure that he would have people threatened with death if they criticize or refuse to join, and will threaten people with death or bodily harm if they decide to leave through their own free will, then flee! God tells us clearly that we are not to judge others, for they will be judged by Him after our earthly bodies die. Only a strange, twisted, paranoid religion, driven by the dark and evil powers of Satan himself would ever rape, torture, kill, imprison, beat, kidnap, behead, bomb, burn alive, or harm people in any way as a means to convert or to force people into joining, or staying, in their religion. The god of that religion is not, and never has been, the God of Abraham.  Any religion that would do these things is not lead by the Holy Spirit of God. It is a religion of darkness. It is a religion of evil, twisted, wicked men, directed and lead by the power of Satan. Many blessings are promised in Heaven to those who withstand such religions and suffer or die in their faith for doing so. Remember, being a Christian (all those who love, trust, and follow the Messiah) is a 'relationship' with God, now made possible by having our sins washed clean ('white as snow') through the precious 'blood of the Lamb'... the promised Messiah ... it is not a 'religion.' Grace and Shalom, www.alphanewsdaily.com www.theprophecies.com
13. we can not own God
marilyn   (09.22.06)
This bloke spoke truth. All religions are about man controlling God, and because they believe they have ownership of God they feel justified in killing torturing anyone else who doesn't measure up to their workings out. But surprise surprise God is not controled by anyone and his offer to human beings is an oppotunity to enter into a covenant relationship with him, based on the blood sacrifice of jesus Christ, that he himself innitiated.If you enter that contract he himself with his spirit will do a work within you teaching us how to love.We all need to recognise this inability to love one another, that happened when Adam disconnected us from God who is love.
14. Grace - a slight error
Josh   (09.22.06)
Your Bible has Jesus quoted as saying the following: "Luke19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Now before you say this is out of context, I have researched and discussed with the best of scholors on this text. This is NOT part of the parable. Notice how he ends all parables. He did so here and this verse is of his own words. I do not put this here for argument, but to show, that whatever was during the past with christian beliefs, at least they are more accepting of the Jew (generalization). At least the Jew can walk through a christian neighborhood and not worry about loosing his head. Maybe a few bruises, but not his head. Islam not. This article we are responding to is pure spin and most of us know it! shalom, Josh
15. No P in the Arabic? So Palestine is a modern invention?
Sami   (09.22.06)
I'm so shocked.
16. religion...
ralph   (09.22.06)
an unfortunate relic from the stone ages.
18. Religion is a killer.
termite   (09.22.06)
All the signs are there. The Spanish invasion of Mexico provided the option of being hanged as a pagan or being burned at the stake as a heretic. Excuse to confiscate, imprison, and kill. The popes got a very large kickback on the efforts to "convert" the Mexicans. Their hands are dirty and stay dirty. The pope is a bureaucrat. Take off his funny hats and he is just another old, bald man that is afraid of his own shadow.
19. Thank you Craig, Eloquent and true.
Charles ,   Gray Summit, USA   (09.22.06)
20. to stupid P in Palestine joke
RP ,   Israel   (09.22.06)
in Arabic, Palastine is said Falasteen. No need for a P. So ignorant of you.
21. What a bummer...So they can't pronounce pascifist?
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (09.22.06)
No 'P' words, pathetic, pornographic, prostitute, pagan, pilgrim, post traumatic stress syndrome, peanut, pope, principle, psychologist, psychiatrist, phlebotomist, pregnant, pharmacy, pig. Now we all understand, no pharmacy--no birth control No psychiatrists---a bunch of nutty buddies running amuck! No Porn----no one can look at the women without the Burkha. No prostitutes---Get 72 virgins. No Pagan---everyone is an infidel. No phlebotomist---we just chop off the infidels head and watch him bleed. No pascifist---we just kill anyone that doesn't have a made in Mecca sticker on his ID card. No pigs---we won't eat the little oinkers. No Past---we change the past constantly to reflect the fact that Allah is great and we are the future.....Even when we are severing your head from your body. No pregnancy---have as many of those little bomb carriers as you can. Better to kill the infidel with my dear. No wonder you guys are so f*cken lost. Since this is 2006 and Christians aren't converting by the sword-----wouldn't it be prudent to address the fact that Muslims are still doing just that. Instead of making up more excuses about how this happened back in 1205 BC. And that happened in 23AD. Blah Blah Blah.....Lets just forget that robbing that bank matters, and has consequences---because the Catholics robbed our banks 800 years ago. Lets not bring this up---it might offend the Muslims, who would riot, because someone noticed them doing something wrong. Namely---robbing the bank! You go get that Mr. Bush Hanania. He's the world's problem using a water board. Not your buddies cutting off Nicholas Bergs head while he is screaming as it is severed from his body. Lets hope you are not in the Sears Tower when one of your nutty brothers flies a plane into it. Just think---that water boarding technique that you bitched about, might have gotten the information that stopped the terrorist attack ,and saved your miserable life. Bush is so awful---at least he is trying to stop the idiots from striking again. Appeasing---that starts with an "A"..... Do Muslims pronounce the "A" words?
22. To RP -- Judean Terrorists
Demosthenes   (09.22.06)
That is not Arabic -- "Falasteen" is a bastardization of the Latin word Philistia. The country of JUDEA was renamed Syria Palestina by the Roman Emperor Hadrian after he crushed Bar Kochvah's revolt in 135 CE. He named it after the biblical enemy of the Jewish people (the Philistines -- who had at that point no longer existed) in order to humiliate the Jews and erase all traces of the Jewish state. The term "Palestine" subsequently served as the name for a geographic region, not a distinct nation or sovereign country, throughout the centuries and throughout the various conquering empires. Just imagine, if Hadrian had not changed the name from "Judea" to "Palestina," would we now be fighting the "Judean terrorists?"
23. to 22
RP ,   Israel   (09.22.06)
I never said a thing about where the word comes from. Simply that the way you say that word that you purport was a way of humiliating Jews, is in Arab not pronounced with a P. Therefore, using the fact that Arabs don't have the sound P in their alphabet as a way of proving Palestine is made up is infantile. Also, a further point and then I'm off to bed, it doesn't really matter where the word/concept came from eons ago. The point is that it exists now and as we have seen, people are willing to fight and die for it and there is a whole rhetoric built around the concept of Palestine. So you better start recognizing. (Of course the Palestinians also have their own path of recognizing us too... some of them have done so, but the job certainly isnt done)
24. To 23 - RP
Martel   (09.22.06)
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people. Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem." -- Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member, March 31, 1977 I believe it is you who "better start recognizing" what is fact and what is fiction. That the Arabs cannot pronounce a P sound does not "prove Palestine is made up." History proves that this is so (inasmuch as "Palestine" denotes a distinct nation apart from the rest of the Arab world). The fact that the "Palestinians" cannot properly pronounce their own appellation is simply a humorous consequence of this quirk of history. The concept of a "Palestinian people" is a very new one -- it began in the late 1960s (for the reason cited above). Before that, Arab leaders rejected such a notion out of hand, claiming they were either part of Syria or part of the greater Arab nation. In fact the Jews were known as "Palestinians" for a time (hence the Jerusalem Post, which was created by the Zionist movement, was called the "Palestine Post" until 1950).
25. ...Outrage over Pope Benedict XVI's remarks on Islam
gerd schulz ,   germany   (09.22.06)
Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage. Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia.  A Christian school.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt.  No Muslim outrage. A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India.  Kills six. No Muslim outrage. Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. No Muslim outrage. Let's go way back.  Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses.  Over 700 are injured.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali.  No Muslim outrage. Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons.  No Muslim outrage Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world.  No Muslim outrage. Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge.  No Muslim outrage. (...) Muslims around the world express outrage over Pope Benedict XVI's remarks on Islam! When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago.  "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?" (author unknown)
26. R. Hanania: "...No, we are talking about beheadings..."
gerd schulz ,   germany   (09.22.06)
ARE VIDEOTAPED BEHEADINGS COVERED BY GENEVA? http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
27. The pope told the truth, the whole truth, then apologized.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica,CA USA   (09.22.06)
28. The Facts
Robert Tilden ,   Sheridan, WY, USA   (09.22.06)
The Fact is Islam was spread by the sward, Muslims can't face this reality? Christianity was also spread by the sward. King David, back in the day spread his faith by the sward as well. You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. Muslims could hack back at the Pope by showing how violent Cathollic faith has been. But insisting on lies is what they would rather do. Maybe they should insist on their own lying leaders coming out with the truth. To Muslims the truth hurts: Islam is a faith that has little to show for itself. a collection of over 50 of the poorist countries with populations that wish to leave their own lands. The West only looks to Islam through PC eyes. Islam is so weak they can't face the west without a PC shield. There is more than enough to Critisize in Islam, They should all learn to respect others before demanding respect from others. Its not the west that is coming to them after all, its the Muslim world who comes to the west.
29. Moslemaniacs always looking for excuse to burn and bomb
CrabbyMax ,   Chicago   (09.22.06)
The Pope's words for just another convenient excuse for the Moslemaniacs to burn, bomb and murder as part of their Islamic Crusade against the West.
30. No termite, people are the killers
The Guy Who Knows ,   World   (09.22.06)
Religion can be used as an excuse to kill OR to reconcile and make peace. The capacity for goodness is inherent in each major religion although humans always tend to interpret things incorrectly and simplistically. Initially, religion was a good invention. People screwed it up.
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