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UK politician: Pro-Israel lobby controls West
Hagit Kleinman
Published: 21.09.06, 18:35
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31. #21 I am railing against the British state
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
I like British Jews. I have a problem with the non-Jews whom are very anti-semitic. Many are in the government and must be accountable for their actions. The BBC incites the hatred of Jews.
32. Liberal/Left Anti-Semitism
rysk   (09.21.06)
Liberal/Left anti-semiticm is a much more complex beast than 'traditional' right wing anti-semitism. Of course they don't idslike Jews, they just dislike Israel. Jenny Tonge by making the assertion of a Jewish/Israel lobby draws upon classical anti-semitic themes. Do people make such assertions about the Cuban lobby? To learn more about left wing anti-semitism go to www.engageonline.org.uk
33. Think It, But Don't Speak It
Erich Kunstler   (09.21.06)
If only the Baroness had kept her thoughts to herself. But, she crossed the line when she opened her mouth.
34. it's over
Notthistime ,   london,uk   (09.21.06)
Britain was not anti-semitic when I arrived here 20 years ago. But if you open the doors of your country to at least two million muslims, don't keep an eye on the press, do not educate people, do not teach children history in schools, what can you expect? And wait...soon we'll have millions of Turks invading the EU...!
35. Please everyone read this little story about BBC..
Myron ,   Golders Green London   (09.21.06)
BBC had an "entrapment "programme 2 nites ago on Channel 1 (main Channel). Something about corruption in the UK Football Industry A few of THE leading bosses of UK football were prepared to partake in an illegal,crooked business regarding recruiting players. BBC secretly recorded this using hidden camera µphones. The "VictimsBosses " were told that the NON EXISTANT,Fictitious, principal behind the "negociations" and offer of dirty money was a man called........ MR SILBERMAN ( a comon UK JEW name .)
36. Tonge isnt a "baroness" like in the King Arthur Stories
(09.21.06)
37. She was appointed by her lefty Party as their candd in the
(09.21.06)
House of Lords
38. Larry is 100% right about Tonge and Lib Dems- They collect
Alan ,   SA   (09.21.06)
all unhappy Muslim Votes
39. "THANKS to Our RELIGIOUS LAWS We WILL DOMINATE YOU"
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.21.06)
Islamists attack London, Madrid, Beslan, Israel, India, Bali, New York and not a single Muslim street demonstration from the more than one billion Muslims to protest the barbaric attacks on our cities that murdered thousands. The global war waged against innocent humanity threatens to destroy Western civilization and the laws that protect the innocent. Colonization of our nations by Muslims is massive - host countries generously provide jobs and welfare. Many Muslims are ethical and believe in human rights; however, large numbers of Muslims living in our countries want Sharia law - Islam is intolerant of all other religons and political systems and will not tolerate other religions and political systems in the UK, Europe or anywhere else. Signs that were held by the civilian Islamist army in Britain: Kill those who insult Islam. Be Prepared For the Real Holocaust! Europe is the Cancer. Islam is the Answer. Europe you will Pay. Your 9/11 is on its way!! The military religion of Islam intends to conquer the world. An authoritative Muslim stated: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you." http://www.meforum.org/article/448 Council on American-Islamic Relations: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder). The astonishing passivity of our nations' leaders to the immigration invasion facilitate the goal of world subjugation by Islamist rulers - resulting in the total loss of our freedom and human rights.
40. #34 Please read Merchant of Venice
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
Anti- Semitism was rampant when Mr. William Shakespeare was alive. The British are known for their Anti-Semitism. The Edict of Expulsion, passed by King Edward I in 1290 and calling for all Jews to leave Britain, has never formally been revoked. In order to rescind it, Queen Elizabeth II must sign a contrasting decree.
41. #32 Peace Rallies become hate rallies
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
When they rally against the Israeli occupation, they never mention a peaceful 2 state solution.
42. Only 1 solution Aliyah
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
Good riddins UK and Shalom Israel
43. Time for truth
Walldizo ,   Damas   (09.21.06)
I full heartedly support Hefetz's statement that arms embargo should be aplyed on both sides Israel and Hezbollah.With this even handed policy, peace could be secured.As for the Baroness,I see no harm done in stating what is actually a mere fact ,though,some fanatics may chose otherwise.
44. Jews should have more kids..as many as possible
David ,   Boston, USA   (09.21.06)
Then people like Tonge will probably complain about us taking up too many resources. However, maybe then she and her party can be voted out of office. I know I will do my best to have a large family and we vote.
45. your anti-semitism won't protect britain from al quaida
dovdevan ,   ashdod   (09.21.06)
you should learn that even if you get down on your knees in front of the arab extremism they will kill you !!! no matter what is happening the coward people like ken livingstone or baroness will always find us guilty because anti-semitism is in their blood but it won't protect them from al -quaida !!!
46. #44 Redefine the word "Jew"
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
If someone has a father that is Jewish, he or she must be considered a Jew. As long as one parent is Jewish, the child must be part of the Jewish race. As long as a person has a Jewish relative, that person should be considered Jewish and they can make aliyah and become a member of the Jewish comminity! That will increase the Jewish population in the Diaspora and in Israel. Doesn't that sound like a very good idea?
47. To All British Jews: Make Aliyah
Mark ,   USA   (09.21.06)
Israel wants You. Israel loves you. Israel needs you. Come to Israel!!! Once you leave the UK, you will be OK!
48. The Arab lobby is present and infintely more powerful
Joy Springreen   (09.22.06)
The Arab lobby is present and infintely more powerful It has always been the control of resources and access that has been he biggest factor in Arab political/economic influence over middle eastern policy in the last 50 years. The Arabs used to be in the 3rd world, they bought the second world and have put a firm down payment on the first one. The huge commercial power of Arab Oil money is the largest force in international economics. All international issues of Middle eastern identity have been brought to the fore, and arguably exacerbated, by the influence of an Oil powered Arab Lobby. The price hike on the early mid-70's was the political and economic after tool, for a united defeat by the last battle of pan-arabism. In the anxiety of this, the price of petrol doubled. That was the point in which the second world was bought. As for the down payment on the 1st world, well that has steadily increased with gradual prices of Oil, Iranian revolutionary attitudes, the Gulf War, the Iraq war, the US ports deal and the ever expanding power of the spending Gulf Oil States. If they say jump, the world considers it, but on the whole doesnt "jump". The "israel lobby" can therefore be seen as an increasing reactionary phenomenon to counteract the globally influencing dynamic of the international "arab oil lobby". The Palestinians fit into this macabre twist of chaotic international economics as the very last issue of arab nationalism in the middle east. In seeking influence based on an agenda that have seen enourmous gains since implemented (price rises of oil in mid 70's made arab states very wealthy), the Palestinian issue is not given the respect it deserves. Ultimately by keeping refugee status for the 100's of 1000's of descendants of Palestinians in Arab countries, keeps a hot earner hot. Never give up on a good thing. Which in itself is true but for Israelis and Palestinians to enjoy co-existence by, and not co-ercion. Personally, I cant really see the cultural or politcal connection between Iran and the Palestinians. Its much like Russia and Greece. Both Orthodox but infinetly different. Greece is a mediterranean place not a transeurasian state. Much like Iran is both Gulf, Persia and Caucaus. But nothing to do with the cultures of the levant. It just begs the question, Shouldnt Israelis and Palestinains look to each other to build a future rather than aggrevating the minute details between each other to exagerated effect in an attempt to try to overshadow the enourmous similarity between all the levaninte cultures old and new? Look at all the biblical, maps and from the few times when there wasnt empire there. All you can see is small states all huddling together to keep warm in a hostile politcal environment with big neighbours. So whatever we may feel about lobbies here and there. They are all reactionary, the channels that must be pursued are cultural and not political or economic as there is always a competition in these factors. The cultrual connections must be strengthened between Israelis and Palestinians. If they both love the land the need to share it. Like the story of Jesus who administered over the case whereby 2 mothers disputed a baby. Only in our version, we need to accept while one is the mother, the other is the father. Which one? That is the question of Israeli and Palestinian parenthood for the 21st century. They need to start behaving like parents and not bitter orphans in order to find the answer. There is no need to entertain these accusations, such as the baronesses in a world that is so much more obvious than the "zionist conspiracy" theories. Shana Tova.
49. Another racist Englishperson
PatriotUSA ,   Redmond, Oregom   (09.22.06)
So what is new. When their country is overrun with islamofacists and mosques, sharia law infiltrates into every nook and cranny of english life and they are ask to convert or die, perhaps then they will understand! Maybe they like being just like the french cowards across the channel. Wake up before it is too late. World wide, wake up before it is too late, including here in the USA!
50. OLD NEWS? NOTHING NEW ABOUT IT
fadi ,   lebanon   (09.22.06)
51. I support Baronness von Tongue
Neville Chamberlain ,   London,UK   (09.22.06)
We negotiate with enemies (and we betray friends). Thats why the UK must sell Israel down the river to obtain peace in our time with al Qaida and Hamas. Remember-you can only make peace with enemies, and you can make piece with friends
52. 1 Maybe she is fishing for the hardline
freedom ,   canada   (09.22.06)
vote in England. That is possible.. Personally, I wouldnt vote for her nor anyone else that would say the same thing about a muslim or christian.
53. anti semitism...blah, blah, blah
nemesis   (09.22.06)
Anti semitism...blah, blah, blah. The Israel Cult can't take the truth. In the United States, zionazis control both parties and the media. Fact. The first couple hundred major Democrat donors are zionists. Fact. People are catching on, though. And anyone who thinks the New York Times, one of the biggest Iraq invasion pimps in America is anti Israel, has been into the matzo soup a tad longer than necessary. The screeching victim act is all the zioracists have. Yawn.
54. influence
lee ,   canada   (09.22.06)
there is no way the israelis would try to influence the decisions of american lawmakers! These peace loving UN abiding people care only about the common good of all people. There is no way they would keep bringing up history that happened sixty years ago without mentioning the atrocities that they are commiting right now. They only want to spread peace to their nieghbours in Lebanon,Palestine and Syria, I heard they left many presents for the people of Lebanon on the last few days of the last love in with them! Israel only wants peace . . oh and more money and bombs from the US "I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." -- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio
55. comments on these pages
observing   (09.23.06)
everytime i read through the comment section on haaretz i become more and more depressed. comments are almost exclusively from boneheaded, aggressive people who only see their own perspective and show nothing but hatred towards everybody who disagrees. if the comments on this page are representative for israel, israel has no future.
56. Anti-Semitic?
Truth Teller ,   Los Angeles USA   (09.23.06)
The statement made by the Baroness is absolutely true. The zionist neocons have manipulated us all into this catostrophic series of wars through their control of the media and the politicians in both the UK and US. The only response the neocons have to any criticism is crying anti-semitism. This will only end when the public no longer tolerates dual loyalty and dual citizenship in its media and policy makers.
57. it's all over baby blue
sanai ,   clearwater usa   (09.23.06)
israel has long ago lost its moral way....you have been angry gorrilla for too long playing the anti-semitic card. you are a threat to your neighbors and a drain on the US taxpayer. you have cried wolf 3000 times too often. the world at large is tired of you and your 'shitty' country.shut up and join the human race.
58. I will reiterate what i said so u can hear the truth clearly
Joy Springreen   (09.23.06)
The Arab lobby is present and infintely more powerful It has always been the control of resources and access that has been he biggest factor in Arab political/economic influence over middle eastern policy in the last 50 years. The Arabs used to be in the 3rd world, they bought the second world and have put a firm down payment on the first one. The huge commercial power of Arab Oil money is the largest force in international economics. All international issues of Middle eastern identity have been brought to the fore, and arguably exacerbated, by the influence of an Oil powered Arab Lobby. The price hike on the early mid-70's was the political and economic after tool, for a united defeat by the last battle of pan-arabism. In the anxiety of this, the price of petrol doubled. That was the point in which the second world was bought. As for the down payment on the 1st world, well that has steadily increased with gradual prices of Oil, Iranian revolutionary attitudes, the Gulf War, the Iraq war, the US ports deal and the ever expanding power of the spending Gulf Oil States. If they say jump, the world considers it, but on the whole doesnt "jump". The "israel lobby" can therefore be seen as an increasing reactionary phenomenon to counteract the globally influencing dynamic of the international "arab oil lobby". The Palestinians fit into this macabre twist of chaotic international economics as the very last issue of arab nationalism in the middle east. In seeking influence based on an agenda that have seen enourmous gains since implemented (price rises of oil in mid 70's made arab states very wealthy), the Palestinian issue is not given the respect it deserves. Ultimately by keeping refugee status for the 100's of 1000's of descendants of Palestinians in Arab countries, keeps a hot earner hot. Never give up on a good thing. Which in itself is true but for Israelis and Palestinians to enjoy co-existence by, and not co-ercion. Personally, I cant really see the cultural or politcal connection between Iran and the Palestinians. Its much like Russia and Greece. Both Orthodox but infinetly different. Greece is a mediterranean place not a transeurasian state. Much like Iran is both Gulf, Persia and Caucaus. But nothing to do with the cultures of the levant. It just begs the question, Shouldnt Israelis and Palestinains look to each other to build a future rather than aggrevating the minute details between each other to exagerated effect in an attempt to try to overshadow the enourmous similarity between all the levaninte cultures old and new? Look at all the biblical, maps and from the few times when there wasnt empire there. All you can see is small states all huddling together to keep warm in a hostile politcal environment with big neighbours. So whatever we may feel about lobbies here and there. They are all reactionary, the channels that must be pursued are cultural and not political or economic as there is always a competition in these factors. The cultrual connections must be strengthened between Israelis and Palestinians. If they both love the land the need to share it. Like the story of Jesus who administered over the case whereby 2 mothers disputed a baby. Only in our version, we need to accept while one is the mother, the other is the father. Which one? That is the question of Israeli and Palestinian parenthood for the 21st century. They need to start behaving like parents and not bitter orphans in order to find the answer. There is no need to entertain these accusations, such as the baronesses in a world that is so much more obvious than the "zionist conspiracy" theories. Shana Tova.
59. They do control the west
Ramsis ,   Canada   (09.23.06)
Why can't people call a spade a spade .....anything perceived to be against the interests of israel is considered ant-semtism, stop suppressing the truth with false claims of bigotry ... Jewish lobbies do control Western governments. Anyone here with the nerve to deny AIPAC is delusional.
60. Shocking Revelation! Sky is blue!
Bob Bobstein ,   Anytown, USA   (09.23.06)
Memo to la Baroness Mathahir Mohamed Tongue in cheek ... Helllooo baby. Everybody on de planet knows dis already. But tanks for putting yo' name to it, so dat press will publish it. Thereby enabling Jews worldwide to leap up frothing and writhing in denial, head spinning 360 and green puke shot like poor little Megan the possed girl in The Exorcist.
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