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Evangelical ship braves storms, Israeli red tape
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Published: 27.10.06, 00:04
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31. PT 1:::IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY...LOLOL
DACON9   (10.27.06)
READERS WHO IS NUTS IN THIS WORLD 'anyone know the movie??.... "One flew over the cukoos nest''? Thats were the normal went crazy after being with the mental ill in a hospital. I think mike wants me to be crazy and convince the world that they are crazy also. OK<> #22 would get his head out of the sand and not be so insistent on displaying his ignorance to everyone, he'd at least understand that this is not a conspiracy to "convert the jews" - it is the basic christian message that all christians are required to make known. i never said it was a conspiracy in my post..I said or alluded it was the doctrine or 'way' of the xtians.. Put that aside for a minute..... whats the difference if its a doctrine or the way or a conspiracy.... any of those is still an insult to JEWS to our HOLY TORAH TO OUR JEWISH WAY OF LIFE TO OUR FREEDOM TO THE AIR WE BREATHE JEWS do not impose on any otehr religion what to believe in . Jews are not permitted by jewish law to proselytize. If one asks , we are COMMANDED TO ANSWER. JEWS refuse the potential convert may times according to jewish law, so as not to let them make an impulsive conversion and a few other reasons. Xtins and other branches of jeus go door to door imposing their way into jewish lives wear ing t shirts with a huge jewish jewish star on the front and back pretending to be jews when in fact they are jews4jeus who are NOT JEWS. JEWS DO NOT GO AROUND WITH A CROSS SAYING THE ARE XTIANS THEN ATTEMPT TO CONVERT THE NON JEW. WHAT THE XTIAN COMMUNITY DO AS A DOCTRINE AS MIKE formerly usa says,, VERY VERY CLEARLY. "it is the basic christian message that all christians are required to make known." THAT IS AN IMPOSITION AND ARROGANCE AND DISRESPECT FOR JUDAISM.
32. i'm confused
danno   (10.27.06)
Far be it from me to accept charity in order to help people, but I'm getting some mixed messages. So far, I see an article which says that converting Jews is still part of the mission of Evangelical Christians (yes, they want to convert everyone, but that doesn't mean that they ignore Jews) and yet the same article says that they know talking about Jesus is insulting so they don't do it. Their flagship supposedly doesn't want to insult, but it flies a banner with an insulting erroneous "name of god" in Hebrew letters. Then I hear that we are not to be replaced in God's eyes (what a relief...God didn't change his mind...for a second I thought the intimation was that he is fallible) but then another poster says that we read our texts wrong and therefore we don't accept god's love and merit eternal death. Then of course we are reminded of that line from John about not getting to God in any other way besides Jesus (doesn't anyone read Romans 11 anymore?) Next I hear that the bible says something about all Jews accepting their messiah (not in any verse I know) and that Christians should be in fear first, no matter what rabbis say. So I'm lost. There seems to be a need to spread the news of the way to avoid hell while not offending those who don't wish to hear about Jesus; there seems to be a notion that we remain the apple of God's eye based on who we are, but are doomed to eternal death because of it; and there seems to be a sense that our texts are right, but we have no idea how to understand them, and our entire tradition of understanding which developed the religion out of which Christianity sprung is all wrong. What's a poor, ignorant farm boy to do? Bottom line -- if all the nice things that the Evangelicals seem to be claiming and promising end up being true, then I'm a happy camper. If any of the negative stuff that is in there ends up being truly representative, then I'm a sad bunny. Maybe, the various sects and groups of Christianity should try to agree on doctrine so that Jews don't lump them all together out of a sense of confusion. At last count (many years ago) there were over 33,000 sects of Christianity. You pick the average Jew and ask him about Christian doctrine and he'll give you a lowest common denominator -- one which, based only on the posts here, is somewhat accurate and troubling. And then let the hilarity ensue.
33. #3, Tell us all John what being Christian is all about.
AK   (10.27.06)
You are THE ultimate Christian.
34. Steiner, remember what Muslims did for 1400 years
AK   (10.27.06)
35.  x18
enzo ,   london,uk   (10.27.06)
Interesting link, dear 18. Needless to say, I share the same view of Abraham Foxman, the ADL's executive director, who, according to the website you cite, claims that evangelical Christians are the greatest domestic threat to the Jews. C'mon...! You're far too intelligent not to understand what these people are waiting for!!! Please...reflect!
36. Good Samaritans - Thanks for your kindness!
have a nice ,   weekend!   (10.27.06)
I cant imagine how you all gave up your jobs, lives and sail all this way to extend your kindness and bring joy to people unknown. G-d bless you all, i dont care if you are christians evangelists or not..if it is in your belieft to share and give to others then to me that is above and beyond everything. We are all so focused on religion in the most negative sense if we could just accept your kindness for what is and not be so cynical then maybe there would be less conflict in the world. Pay no attention to the negative feedbacks - kindness breeds kindness and inspires people to do and be better. G-d bless you all, hope that you enjoy your visit in Israel and get to sightsee - G-d speed on your journey back home. Thank you to all the Christians out there both in Israel and abroad who show us their support in times of war and peace.
37. 31 -are you so controlled that hearing info is "imposition"?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (10.27.06)
when you read the news here at ynet, for example, is it "IMPOSITION AND ARROGANCE AND DISRESPECT"? telling people about what jesus did is giving info and letting them think for themselves. hardly imposing. by the way, how does a christian "convert" someone? i've heard you say that a lot but, as a christian, i am not aware of my ability, much less my religious obligation, to "convert" anything. do you know ANYTHING about the people you so hate? get the facts and think for yourself. for once in your life (if you can).
38. Word of Faith
Don Tipton ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.27.06)
I am owner of the ship Spirit of Grace and I would like to thank Mr. M Friedman for his truthful and responsible view in writing this article from his heart. The feedback is interesting and enlightening. We read the anger and deep hurt in some of your comments. Let me explain this and hope in some way it helps. We didn't bring things to the land of Israel but to the people, the children of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the apple of God's eye. We love you and respect you. Our belief in our faith says love is an action, not a word and that faith without action is dead. You will know our faith by what we do, not by what we say. In what we do,there is only admiration for you and the people of your house. We'll stand with you in your time of trouble and your time of plenty. You will know us by our love. And you should know that it is we, who are the converted ones. Our Rabbi is Jesus, a Jew. Our God, a God of love not hate. Shalom. www.friendships.org
39. to Don Tipton
hagar ,   u.s.a   (10.28.06)
BRAVO to you and your people! as an israeli who lives in the states, i belive everything you say, i've seen enough to know your motivations are real, and they are only for the love and care for the country and people of Israel, without any hidden agendas. thank you, and god bless you!
40. God bless Israel, the Tipton's and crew!
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41. Hi there Mike #37
Little Miss Muffett ,   Sitting on a Tuffett   (10.28.06)
you are one of my favorite "talkbackers." i would just ignore Dacon9 if i were you. Nothing anyone says is going to make him change. Only God can get into his heart and soften it, and maybe that will happen some day. You never know! Maybe some day he won't hate all Christians. As for me, I'll be happy to see him turn off his caps lock key!
42. #21 Spirit of Grace - 10,000 JEWS Made JOBLESS & HOMELESS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.28.06)
In your "The Mission" statement, included in the list of who the goods will be distributed to is families in need. I am hoping this would include the 10,000 JEWISH refugees from Gaza and northern Samaria who last year were viciously rendered jobless and homeless for enemies sworn to Israel's destruction. As a big reward for committing mass murder and terrorist atrocities, the terrorists were rewarded with Jewish land, thousands of high-tech Jewish greenhouses and hundreds of Jewish farms of the Jewish victims the Islamists attacked, maimed and murdered. Muslims celebrated their great victory by desecrating and destroying Gaza's sacred synagogues. Many Jewish refugees lived for several months in tents. The impoverished Jews are financially obligated to pay for the homes Israeli leaders ruthlessly destroyed. JEWS MUST HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS
43. #38 To Don Tipton - Pres. BUSH is BETRAYING ISRAEL
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.28.06)
Article: we stand behind (President) Bush," said Tipton, Pres. Bush wants to give away half of the JEWISH Holy Land to Islam. Mr. Tipton, Pres. Bush is immorally highly pressuring Israel to give Biblical Judea and Samaria including parts of Holy Jewish Jerusalem to Islam. The U.S. EU UN Road Map installing Global Islamic Terror State Two will reduce tiny Israel to a 6-10 miles wide indefensible Auschwitz borders facilitating a second Holocaust of Jews. How can you stand behind Pres. Bush???
44. 31. uh hum... DACON9
XTIAN   (10.28.06)
The Bible, including the New Testament, was written by Godly Jews . NO BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD COMPARES TO IT IN: --WORLD INFLUENCE --RELIGIOUS INFLUENCE --QUANTIFIABLE SCIENCE --QUANTIFIABLE HISTORY --QUANTIFIABLE BEHAVIOR --QUANTIFIABLE PROPHESIES It is also --THE BEST SELLING BOOK OF ALL TIME --THE MOST READ BOOK OF ALL TIME --THE MOST IMITATED BOOK OF ALL TIME [*Religions from Islam to Buddism piecemeal copied the HEBREW BIBLE (Torah, Tanakh and New Testmant). --THE ONLY ANCIENT BOOK STILL READ TODAY --THE MOST TRANSLATED BOOK --THE MOST PERSECUTED BOOK IN WORLD HISTORY --THE MOST STUDIED / SCRUTINIZED BOOK IN WORLD HISTORY --THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD BOOK IN WORLD HISTORY --NO BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD REMOTELY COMPARES TO ITS INFLUENCE So don't tell us "Jews keep their religion to themselves" NO PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER HAD SO MUCH WORLD INFLUENCE ON MATTERS OF FAITH, RELIGION AND GOD God bless Israel. XTIAN
45. Dacon
mariah ,   USA   (10.28.06)
There's some weird things going on, for example isn't it funny that no one ever realized that Jesus was Jewish before or saw that verse? Or that people get it in their heads that they should give money, etc.? Maybe not a coincidence, maybe orchestrated by G-d.
46. 43 limda rivera - should he instead support john kerry?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (10.28.06)
or chirac? or putin? so he should NOT support bush? should he instead be attacking and deriding his president? would that make you happy? why do you criticize bush when there is no better supporter of israel in power? do you just criticize everyone every chance you get?
47. I'm still confused
danno   (10.29.06)
Now I see someone claim that the "New Testament" is part of the "Hebrew Bible" even though I know it isn't...I see someone splitting hairs between the word "convert" and the "spreding the good news in order to save souls"...I see the repeated claims of Jesus' being a Jewish rabbi when by Jewish standards (now AND then) he wasn't a very good example of a Jew or a rabbi...I see the claim that because other theologies took (poorly) elements of my bible without any concern as to the context and tradition from which it came, I haven't kept it to myself...I see the arrogant view of those who disagree with someone and therefore decide that he doesn't have God in his heart, instead of seeing that by the standards of Judaism, God IS in his heart, and by that pronouncement, there appears an indictment of the entire of Judaism... I see lots more which confuses me, and all the eralier confusion remains. I stumble along blindly, but at least I get a good laugh out of it. I hope that you all had a meaningful shabbos, following the "bible" and its eternal laws concerning sabbath observance on Saturday and the cessation of all melacha.
48. #44 COCKRAOCHES ARE THE MOST PROLIFIC INSECTS OF ALL TIME
DACON9   (10.29.06)
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