and police were injured http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0519israel-sect0519.html

Is the state of Israel so corrupt that even the 7 Noahide laws is too much for them to observe? Immorality is a sin equal to murder and theft and the court in Jerusalem must abide by this law, if they like it or not.

"Speaking of things one Jew does not do to his fellow Jew, then this is one of the things." What nerve! What hypocrisy! But all THESE things are possible to do to your fellow Jew: Throw him out of his home of 30 years in Gush Katif, bash him on the head and crack his skull for wanting to protect his home in Amona, throw Nationalist Jewish youth in jail with criminals and terrorists for the crime of loving Eretz Israel. And now this man talks about what is not right to do to your fellow after the Government Foreign Ministry plans to bring a homosexual parade into JERUSALEM! What is wrong with this picture? Has everyone lost their mind? Who can blame the Hareidi for rioting? Baruch Hashem and a big THANK YOU for defending Jerusalem from this sickness..

Baby-death case cues uproar in Israel sect Case spotlights insular religion Ken Ellingwood Los Angeles Times May. 19, 2006 12:00 AM JERUSALEM - An infant's death has spawned a controversial criminal case centering on one of Israel's most insular Jewish sects. At issue in a Jerusalem court is whether a 19-year-old yeshiva student named Yisrael Vales fatally beat his 3-month-old son, Yitzhak, during a burst of anger last month The case sparked three days of street disturbances and has spilled beyond the impoverished enclave where Vales now sits under house arrest. The pitched sentiments surrounding the allegations underscore the often uneasy relations between Israel's secular majority and the largely cloistered world of black-clad believers generally called ultra-Orthodox, or haredi, Jews. advertisement Authorities say Vales confessed to police that he slapped and beat his son while caring for him on April 2 because he could not cope with the child's crying. The prosecution alleges that the defendant admitted that he had slapped, pinched and bitten the boy at least once before. Vales, who is charged with manslaughter and child abuse, is being defended by of one of Israel's most famous defense attorneys. Vales' family is prominent within the Edah Haredit movement, composed of Ashkenazi Jews who reject Israel as a heresy, refuse government assistance and prefer to live apart, with their own religious leaders to oversee religious courts, marriages, burials and certification for kosher food. Fellow Edah Haredit members in the Mea Shearim neighborhood, where Vales lives with his 19-year-old wife, Hanna, have rallied to his defense, accusing Israeli authorities of coercing a confession and trying to smear their community. The neighborhood erupted just before the Passover observance last month when supporters demanded that police release Vales. Posters went up accusing the government of a "blood libel" against the community. Hundreds of people blocked roads, hurled stones at police and motorists and set fire to municipal trash bins, causing $30,000 in damage, city officials said. "They felt they were being discriminated against by the entire so-called Zionist society, which consists of the majority of Jews in Israel. His community felt it was being placed in a defensive position," said Menachem Friedman, a professor at Bar-Ilan University near Tel Aviv who studies haredi culture. "Their main fear is the government is out to get them." A judge later freed Vales on bail but placed him under house arrest at his grandparents' home, sparking accusations from some Israeli child-welfare advocates that authorities buckled to pressure. Along the cluttered alleys of Mea Shearim, outsiders are greeted with a wary gaze, banners warn against immodest dress and much of the neighborly conversation takes place in the Yiddish of Old Europe. The allegations against Vales have placed the privacy-minded community on a collision course with the outside world. Vales stepped into an Israeli courtroom for a procedural hearing Thursday, accompanied by his wife and a dozen supporters, who wore side locks and knee-length black coats and formed a protective ring to keep reporters and news photographers at bay. Prosecutors say Vales told police he was frustrated that his wife was working at a job outside the home and irritated that their child was born with a muscle defect in the neck that caused the infant's head to tilt to one side. The boy died in a Jerusalem hospital eight days after the attack. Prosecutors say head injuries, including retinal bleeding, point to "shaken baby syndrome." Authorities did not perform an autopsy in deference to community sensitivities over treatment of the dead. "We have the medical evidence in this case, and we also have a confession," prosecutor Nick Kaufman said.

The gays worldwide have an agenda. They've already brainwashed the US government and now they teach kids as young as 4-5 that families may include dad & dad or mom & mom. Being gay is totally normal. Let's all be gay - it's fun!

Thank you. Couln't have said it better.

I THOUGHT THEY STUDIED HASHEM'S WORDS ALL THEIR WAKING HOURS. HASHEM ENCOURAGES KINDNESS THROUGH JEWS PERFORMING MITZVAHS. NOWHERE HAVE I SEEN HASHEM TELL JEWS TO HATE OTHER JEWS FOR MARCHING IN A PARADE TO EXPRESS THEIR PRIDE AT BEING GAY. THESE HAREDIM ARE PROVING THEMSELVES TO BE HATERS--NOT FOLLOWERS OF HASHEM.

So, whats your point? anyways, why do they have to stick their believes in other peoples faces. I'm not saying they don't have a rite to demonstrate, what I am saying is, don't stick it in someone elses face!! let them do it in tel Aviv all year long if thats what floats their boat!! And if the purpose of the parade is to spread tolerance, why don't they have tolerance and respect the people in Jerusalem!!

beautifully put, finally some clearheadedness in all this craziness!!

...who is violent, who is hate filled? Who causes damage and who makes trouble for the police? Gays lilve in Jerusalem and have the same rights to demonstrate there (and far more peacefully than the fundamentalist Jews) as anyone else. What do the haredim think? That it's West Side Story and that Jeruslame is "their turf?"

The haridim are followers of Hashem. They are defending decency. It is strictly forbidden in Jewish law to cohabitate with the same sex . Stoning to death is the punishment

What's the matter with these people...

Homosexuality is a perversion of true sexuality. It is not an 'orientation', or a 'lifestyle choice' or any other piece of trendy psychobabble. The Oxford English Dictionary defines the word 'pervert' like this: pervert v.tr. 1. turn (a person or thing) aside from its proper use or nature. 2. misapply or misconstrue (words etc.) 3. lead astray (a person,a person's mind, etc.) Add to this the facts that not only is homosexuality expressly condemned in Judaism, Christianity and (I think) Islam, but also that Jerusalem is considered a Holy City by all three of those religions. Now add in a parade of perverts flaunting their perversions in this holy place. How can anyone be surprised that the reactions are so explosive. You might as well try opening a Kosher pork butcher's shop next to the Wailing Wall!

us straights don't have a yearly parade...lol ...but I do think Tel Aviv is more suitable, as its more cosmopolitan. But seriously, all this is taking up so much of our security services time, when it is needed elsewhere. And to the heridim...stop destroying Jerusalem, you are demonstrating and putting Jerusalem citizens in harms way. . Can't you have a "peaceful"protest and stop acting like those rioting muslems we have been seeing lately that take to the streets at the slightest offence. Alsoyou are a disgrace to liken a fellow Jew to a nazi, but then tolorence isn't on your agenda I guess, but remember, you have many faults also that I feel are an afront and very unreligious.

There should be thousands and thousands out there protesting against this disusting parade. Where are all those 'lovers of Torah', learning in Kollel all day. Why are they never around when it counts. Do they have any love for HaShem and the place that He chose for the Beit HaMikdash. Don't they feel they have to stand against this abomination? Is it only the monthly cheque that counts?

For secular people who discount religious values as a basis for morality, Kant's categorical imperative should be revered. It's not immoral, and it's not amoral. It's a MORAL imperative. It states, "do not perform any act that, should you envision everyone doing it, you would be disattisfied with the results". I'm not speaking of homosexuality. That's a different question. I'm speaking of pouring fuel on the fire of religious passion, which exists in Jerusalem no less than the "city of tolerance" they imagine to be here. Is this really prudent? If all of Israel were burnt by fire from demonstrations and counter-demonstrations, would you feel any more "accepted" for your lifestyles? Can homosexual demonstrators and their supporters really be satisfied with what their demands to march in Jerusalem's streets have caused, when they had an alternative to demonstrate in Tel Aviv or in a Jerusalem park? It's not about their "right to demonstrate", which can occur in other venues as well, and these have been offered and refused. Just like it's not right to deny Jewish rights to pray en masse on the Temple Mount, as they do on specific times in Hebron at Hamarat Hamachpela, but it is denied nevertheless because the result would be mass Arab riots that the police could not control, and no doubt many deaths, it's prudent to give the same thought as to whether this march is prudent. It's not like there isn't precedent for bracketing our rights, even in a "city of peace and tolerance". That these demonstrations do not take place does not diminish the rights of homosexuals at all. But at some point we have to recognize, as Kant's theory does, that there are times when we abridge or redirect our desires in order to allow society to operate peacefully. There is absolutely no doubt that these demonstrators have davka chosen this venue precisely because they wish to make a point, even at the cost of violence, and that is that they will not tolerate ANY limitation at all on their rights even if it costs many others their safety, and maybe even their lives or loss of property. Now imagine a society that operates the way these demonstrators want, in a vacuum. Imagine hareidim marching in Tel Aviv's sheinkin street burning effigies of homosexuals. Imagine extremists burning effigies of Rabin and Olmert in Tel Aviv's Rabin Square. Imagine Arab Israelis burning Israeli flags in the Jewish Quarter. DON'T YOU GET IT? It's not just about you! I do not by any means condone the way these hareidim are behaving. They are a disgrace to Judaism, those who destroy and hit. But the demonstrators in this scenario are not guiltless. Their actions are not less destructive. I believe that they should back off and either await a time when Jerusalem can be a venue for their marches without provoking violence, or find another venue.

The police have practically told the Hareidim that the only way to cancel the parade is to show a threat of violence. Blame the police, not the Hareidim.

They are an anti-semetic group that sucks the blood of our nation.We do not need them or their brothers in arms,the arabs.

1) Why does your 'reporter' fail to even try to interview a strictly orthodox Jewish (ie haredi) person, such as one of their spokesmen (eg Yonoson Rosenblum)? 2) Where is the evidence that virtually anything flammable is being burned down? If this was the case, the whole Jerusalem would be up in flames, rather than a few trash cans. 3) How many of the hundreds of thousands of haredim are involved? A few dozen teens? A few hundred? A few hundred thousand? Wouldn't at least some readers want to know? 4) What does the mayor, himself from the haredi sector, have to say? 5) Why did the publicists who came up with the term for homosexuals pick "gay"? What were they trying to convey? If they were trying to convey happiness, is that the correct term for these people? 7) What do Moslems have to say? Christians? 8) What is the penalty for libel and slander against a whole sector of the community? Will you turn yourself in?

While it's always easier to cite secular media reports of police accusations, why did one of the talkback people (I believe Dorothy) neglect to cite what came out in the trial itself? Perhaps because the false charges and incompetence of the police were too much to bear. But, that's okay, as long as we can stereotype ALL haredim based on the alleged actions of one young man. By the way, we have a word for that sort of prejudice in action: discrimination--which is illegal.

Pity the only picture you could find of this riot was kid taking a photo of the fires. Of course had you dared publish photos of the rioters - youths who have no connection with the 'black' orthodox residents of the area - you would have shot yourself in the foot. Better then to keep to the more general 'haredi' 9rather than ultra-orthodox) description and let your readers assume that the rioter were ultra-orthodox. Clever trick, and neatly keeps your reporting 'accurate'.

By all means, the quality of the reporting should have more detail and more named Haredi sources. In particular, the mayor should definitely not be allowed to stay silent on this matter. But then we get to 5, 7, & 8 and you become ridiculous. 5) "Gay": it's now the standard one-word term for male or female homosexuals. Any other term would connote a religious agenda. The idea that gays are not happy is so 1970s-80s that it's hard to believe you live in NYC. 7) Who gives a damn what the Moslems and Christians think? Isn't there one place in the world where Jews can decide their own fate? 8) The penalty for libel and slander? I'm sorry, I seem to have noticed an awful lot of vicious anti-gay libel and slander lately. Some Talkbackers are linking and quoting from "The Pink Swastika," a notorious anti-gay pack of lies that blames gays for the Shoah. Anyway, there is no doubt whatsoever that the Haredim are behaving lawlessly, even if we don't know how many things have been burned or destroyed. The leadership has been staying quiet when not actively involved. To point these things out is not to libel or slander anyone; it is to speak the truth.

Charedim are far less violent than any other group in this country. The problem is that their rights and feelings are viciously trampled by the ruling secular leftist minority. The more the religious grow in numbers the more they are discriminated and bashed. Anyway, the charedim are defending tnow the honour of the Jewish people and the eternal Jewish values. Their indignation is shared by the vast majority of the Israeli population, observant and not observant (look into the recent polls).

You essentially argue that people should refrain from speaking up or following a peaceable custom (such as parading) at a venue lest they provoke violence. If the medieval Jews had followed your logic, there would be no Judaism now, as such activity had provoked violence among non-Jews. To make choices and to do things in public is to take on the risk of violence. While violence ought to be avoided whenever possible, the need to speak up and be assertive is also a need and should be practiced if one is not to end up at the bottom of the heap. The violence, moreover, was primarily the Haredi's fault; they have committed a sin in committing arson and running amuck, and they should apologize for it.