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Kazakhstan is here
B. Michael
Published: 14.11.06, 16:24
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1. Fermented Horse Urine
Ilan ,   Ariel   (11.14.06)
2. Nice analysis, but...
David L.   (11.14.06)
I greatly appreciate that the author of this article is able to identify some weakness in the Israeli society. However, such things are present in every country; perhaps not exactly the same, but somehow close. In many of the aspects mentionned here, Arab countries are way worse. As for the argument presented here about the intrisic discrimination to the Israeli society, it emerges from a simple fact: Israel is a country that was built for jews and by jews, with a strong religious background. Is it good? Is it bad? Opinions on that diverge, but we can't deny that it is true. Israel, by its very nature, is an apartheid country. Good day to you all.
3. Borat Michael, make your own movie
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (11.14.06)
Please throw yourself down the well!
4. Israel Guilty Too
Semsem ,   New York, USA   (11.14.06)
The authour has a good point. Israeli politicians and Rabbis have referred to gays as beasts and animals. This talk is similar to talk in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. However I know that Khazakstan is not like it is portrayed by Borat. Most people don't even know it exists.
5. THE WORLD BEEN MISLEAD BIGOTRY NOT THEIR TRUE COLORS
DAVID P ,   SANTA CRUZ, USA   (11.14.06)
EVERYWHERE EVERYONE IS CLAIMING THEY'VE BEEN DUPED BY BORAT, MISLEAD IN SAME WAY, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THEY DID DO THOSE THINGS AND NOW THEY ARE SOME HOW ASHAMED OR EMBARRESED ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS WHEN ITS PUT IN THE SPOTLIGHT, SO THEY MAKE THE CLAIM THAT IT WASN'T REALLY THEM, THEY WERE TRICKED, BUT IT IS REALLY THEM, AND THAT IS THE VALUE OF BORAT, EXPOSING WHATS ACTUALLY THERE
6. The author does hate Israel
AK   (11.14.06)
Speaking of 'lynching' of a acountry, author has no problems with lynching Israel. If he's a Jew, then calling him a self-hating one is an understatement. Gays HAVE to ware pink badge in Israel? What are horrendous lie. And Israelis sit in bars singing songs about throwing Arabs down the well? Another libel. There are arabs living in Israel, how many Jews are alived in Gaza?
7. Nonsense!
Bobby ,   Great Neck   (11.14.06)
What are you talking about Michael? Nonsense! If you believe all that you are saying, please feel free to move out of Israel...maybe even to Kazakhstan. I am surprised Yediot published this ridiculous article.
8. Israeli wine is quite good
Tom ,   Los Angeles   (11.14.06)
Some of it really wonderful.
9. it could have portrayed any Arab country truely & easily
jerome ,   Colorado, US   (11.14.06)
He could have used the Pali's talking about what gun to use to kill Jews, Hibullshitallah talking about which rocket is with allah htat will inflick the most damage on the Jews and could have show how tha leader of the Pali cause was gay and died of aids but the Pali's & French kept if very secretive! Borat can do a movie about the Arab cultures majority and wouldn't have to make things up!
10. Rediculous
Har'el ,   Florida, USA   (11.14.06)
how could ynet even publish this nonsense.
11. Israel as a racist society
Besalel ,   Kew Gardens, NY   (11.14.06)
The author, although airing our dirty laundry, has made a valid point. Unfortunately, Israel maintains a racist core that exceeds that of other western societies. Israelis have shown contempt for the Sepharadi Jew and the Arab. Its contempt for the Sepharadi Jew is well documented in Israeli history and is continued today by the secular Israeli Ashkenazi minority that alligned itself with the Shinui movement earlier this decade. Its contempt for the Arab is exemplified in its approach to resolving the Palestinian issue. At firt, Israel though that the Arabs on Jewish land will embrace the Jewish state and forego nationalism because Israel will bring indoor toilets and European culture to the Middle East. It continues in this racist belief by failing to recognize that the Arabs on Jewish land do not want to give up what they believe is their land. The two state solution is a racist solution. The Arab will not give up what he thinks is his - not for indoor plumbing and not because Jews settled Tel Aviv and have big guns. He wants it all because he believes it is all his. The solution must be a one state solution. The question Israel faces is what is what will be the character of this one state.
12. blaiming the messenger
Arie ,   Afula   (11.14.06)
Cohen just brought out the real insides of some people. The same people that chastized Jews in his film probably would made the same comments about Blacks and others. Don't blame the messenger for getting racists and anti-Semites to admit who they really are
13. Ignorant and racist article about Israel
Dan ,   Israel   (11.14.06)
Israel has flwas like all countries but is nevertheless one of the most free and democratic countries in the world. Constructive criticism is something completely different from the writer's anti-Israeli racism and blood libel.
14. what is your point??
sasha ,   london   (11.14.06)
i am quite confused at the point of your article: are you trying to show the obscene anti semtisim that "borat" portrays in his film, or put down Israel. It seems that you used his film to highlight flaws you see in Israeli society.
15. Move to Kazakhstan michael
Matroskin   (11.14.06)
Israel will be better off without you hateful antisemite
16. Worse article ever
Gene ,   USA   (11.14.06)
this makes absolutely no sense.
17. Over the top
Raoul ,   Netanya, Israel   (11.14.06)
It is not clear to me why it is OK to disparage Israel, so as to spare insults on Kazakstan. In any case, Cohen is just far too crude and over the top, and is popular, sadly, only for that reason. I don't find anything genuinely funny in his antics at all.
18. GIVE THIS IDIOT A ONE WAY TICKET TO ANYWHERE
ben Avraham ,   tel Aviv   (11.14.06)
19. This is nuts! Only the dumb Jews would be so critical
Roger ,   USA   (11.14.06)
Only the dumb Jews would be so critical of themselves.
20. Immoral
MEME ,   Holland   (11.14.06)
Did anybody see the movie? Did anybody hear Borat speak Ivrit? I think we should ban Borat from Israel and from using our holy language!! And not ban him from Kazach!! And Michael concering you if u hate the righteous rabbi's and wanna make fun of them like borat did with everybody in his movie go ahead burn you ass use immorality for the sake of your fancy little world!! Is It possible we can just ignore this stupid ass called borat? Or whatever ignore Sasha Baron Cohen!! Immorality is what brings about destruction... everybody i know loved the movie guess thats why the world is about to face destruction...
21. Of course the liberal press will allow such an article.
Adam Segal ,   Raanana, Israel   (11.14.06)
I am offended that Ynet have the audacity to allow such an article to be posted on their website. This B. Michael individual is obviously an anti-semite and as is common amongst that type, he doesn't seem to have a brain in his head either. Anything to hate on the Israelis, even cheap shots like this... It makes me sick. Ynet should just have the guts to admit they are anti-jew and finished. The second they have an opportunity to bash the religious or the judeo-politcal statutes set by the government and chosen by the people, they will do it.
22. If Borat ever portrays an Arab state!
Barry ,   USA   (11.14.06)
He would make zillions!
23. B. Michael missed the point of the movie
Jenny ,   NYC, USA   (11.14.06)
That Borat is from Kazakhstan is not important. It's true he could've been from anywhere. He is making fun of Americans more than anything by exposing their bigotry and that is the essence of S.B.C's brilliance. You are too daft to get that. As usual you use your ridiculous analysis to bash Israel. Don't you have any other topics to write about? It is getting really old already.
24. B. Michael, a hater!
Stan ,   south park   (11.14.06)
Next he'll say how Jews cook gentile children's blood into their matzah
25. I can't wait to see the Borat movie
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (11.14.06)
It's going to be even better than the Terrance and Phillip movie!
26. Correcting the Author -
EM ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.14.06)
At last week's "March of the Beasts" counter-demonstration in Jerusalem, homosexuals were not compared to beasts, but rather to people who belong to a political movement based on AFFIRMATIVE ACTION (special rights) for those who have sex with beasts (bestiality), and people who belong to a political movement based on AFFIRMATIVE ACTION for people who have consensual incestuous relationships. Whether you agree with the platforms of any and/or all of these Sexual Freedom / Affirmative Action Rights Advocates or not, the comparison was intended to highlight the absurd slippery slope of claiming sexual preference as the basis for special political rights. Why do you criticize Borat for misrepresenting Kazakhistan, while you intentionally misrepresent Israel in your article (far worse, your article pretends to be non-fiction, as opposed to Borat's mockumentary film, which doesn't pretend to be anything other than a comedy)? - You know (or should know) that homosexual marchers in Israel are not required to wear "pink badges" or demonstrate in a "cage". - You also know (or should know) that Israelis do not sing "Death to the Arabs" in entertainment venues, in fact quite the opposite (e.g., "Shir le'Shalom", "Noladeti le'Shalom", "Milchama ha'Achrona", etc., etc., etc.). The only time I've ever heard anybody chant "death to the Arabs" has been at the scene of a terrorist attack by Arabs who had just murdered Israeli civilians, which might be somewhat understandable to you in the grief of the moment and quite different than singing hate for entertainment (in stark contrast to the Palestinian Authority songs, childrens' programs, and broadcasts praising suicide-murderers of Jews; the constant flood of Arab newspaper articles and public broadcasts of blood libels against Israel and the Jewish people; and the number one song on Egyptian state-run popular radio for more than a year, called "I hate Jews"). - You also know (or should know) that it's illegal in Israel to buy a gun for the purpose of "killing Arabs" - murder is ILLEGAL in Israel, in stark contrast to the Palestinian Authority or the governments most of our Arab neighbors. (In the last month, an an Israeli was sentenced to four life-terms in jail, for killing four Arabs.) - You also know (or should know) that nobody has "the right to purchase land" in Israel, but only to purchase the right to use the land, because all Israeli land belongs to the Israeli government, and permission to use the land is determined based on considerations of security, history, intended use, price, etc. - While it's true that religious courts operate according to religious law, and that certain wineries produce low-quality wine, and that certain dairy farms change their feed before Passover, you completely neglected to mention the existence of civil courts that operate according to civil law, the many high-quality Israeli wineries, and the practices of the majority of Israeli dairy farms. Israel is not Utopia, nor does it claim to be a Utopia, and there is certainly enough legitimate criticism of Israel without resorting to libel if you're in the market for such criticism - By printing libels against Israel in YNET (even though you apparently think your libels against Israel were justified by Borat's mischaracterization of Kazhakistan in his movie) you are NOT the same breed as Borat who's movie is clearly a COMEDY (in other words, obviously NOT to be taken seriously), but you have revealed yourself as belonging to the same breed as the rest of those who traffic in libels against Israel. For your own health, please remedy the unfortunate condition of "Ayin Ha'Ra" and "Lashon Ha'Ra" with which you are afflicted.
27. Jewish Dewplicity
Tarob ,   Al Matay, Kazakstan   (11.14.06)
Why is it that Jews have to invent untruths about my country? I do not understand what we ever did to you. In an area that has plenty of backward regimes we have an educated progressive society: -full voting rights of women -no deaf penalty -child slavery laws -religious workshop freedom On behalf of my government i want to thank Bee Michael for writing an honest article Tarob Nazarbayev Information Officer Qazaqstan Respublikasy
28. bigotry sexism and racism exists in the world over
Mike   (11.14.06)
Nooo?
29. Quite Ridiculous
DavidS ,   New York   (11.14.06)
There is not a single country on earth where you cannot find people to say extraordinarily stupid things or to believe extraordinarily stupid things. The point is that portraying the character in the way he does creates the impression that all Kazakhs are like that, an impression that is made easy to believe because many people have never knowingly met a Kazakhs. It is clearly racism, although one can make the case that its a newly designed form of it. To suggest however, that the movie could have been made about Israel is equally wrongheaded. Yes there are many crazy views in Israel, but not any crazier than views that can be heard on streetcorners everywhere in the world. The whole point is NOT to stereotype any particular group.
30. one word discribes B Michael
Megan ,   Israel   (11.14.06)
PUTZ !!!
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