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Germany: 7 neo-Nazis charged for Holocaust denial
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Published: 24.11.06, 23:05
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1. GOOD
TOM ,   DC,USA   (11.25.06)
GOOD! THEY SHOULD BE SENT TO PRISION FOR LIFE! YOU BASTARDS! LONG LIVE ISRAEL
2. Scum!
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.06)
For people like that, they should have kept just one little section of Auschwitz fully functional. Show them an oven first, explain how it works,then stick them into that shower and drop cyanide until they scream that maybe there was a holocaust, after all. If they didn't, well, there is that oven. Either it would make a believer of the next one or there'd be all sorts of fertilizer for the cabbages.
3. They should clean the toilets at Yad Vashem.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica,CA USA   (11.25.06)
4. Say what????
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (11.25.06)
"disturbing the peace of the dead for burning a copy of Anne Frank's diary" That sounds like one "crazy" law. Don't get me wrong, the book and movie about Anne Frank was excellent and sad. But to make it against the law for destroying a copy that I assumed they owned (article was silent as to whose property was destroyed) goes just a little too far. How does that "disturb the dead"? Did they dance on her grave? As a free speech advocate, I think it is a crime to deny someone the RIGHT to deny anything they want. Let them make fools of themselves and besides when someone says the holocaust did not occur, others have the right to rebuff their idiocy with evidence and commentary to the contrary. The same government who limits their free speech is the same government who can limit your and mine free speech as well. Ridicule should not be a crime.
5. Celebrate what???!!!
enzo ,   london,uk   (11.25.06)
Dear YNET...you say that they were celebrating earlier this year. With all my intelligence and florid imagination, I can't see what they have to celebrate!!! What do the Nazis celebrate? Please, tell me, because this is something I cannot understand...I'm eager to learn something that I don't know. What the f..k do Nazis celebrate?! If I have to pay for the answer I will...but please, tell me: what do Nazis celebrate?
6. *****GLOBAL JEWISH COMMUNITY UNITE*****
(11.25.06)
http://www.globaljewishcommunity.com
7. But mocking Islam and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
(11.25.06)
and no prison sentences?!
8. neo-Nazi; by birth or by conversion ? This is the question
(11.25.06)
9. to Darren #4: You made a very good point. I agree with you.
Jamal ,   Jerusalem, Palestine   (11.25.06)
10. #1,2,3,4,5 rediculing Jews' suffering ?
(11.25.06)
11. #1,2,3,4,5 ridiculing Jews' suffering ?
(11.25.06)
12. #7 all they say about mohammed is true
linda   (11.25.06)
13. To #4
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.06)
Maybe you had to have been there to understand the revulsion and rage which these people, their symbols and speeches can churn up. "Disturbing the dead" has its roots in the malicious and methodical destruction of Jewish cemeteries. It is, obviously, being stretched. On the other hand, you can't yell, "fire" in a crowded theater over here, either, and I suspect that you can't walk around downtown Tampa using racial slurs and not have someone take exception. If you went to Dearborn, MI or Lido, CA and did a dance on the Qoran at the local mall, you'd be lucky to have a cop arrest you for "inciting to riot." Ridicule doesn't work with fanatics of any kind. If they had a sense of humor, they wouldn't be fanatics.
14. To # 10 and #11
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.06)
Not hardly! Just giving them a glimpse of their reality and feeding them a little of their own medicine.
15. #14 well said
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16. Since when its a crime to express ur opinion?
fadi ,   lebanon   (11.25.06)
17. ok i dont belive of atlantis the lost state and myth
fadi ,   lebanon   (11.25.06)
18. i dont belive of litle green men either ! is that a crime?
fadi ,   lebanon   (11.25.06)
19. people have the right to xpress themselves as long as they
fadi ,   lebanon   (11.25.06)
are not conducting any violence !
20. GM, Fadi, sweetheart :-)
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.06)
Semantically speaking, there is a difference between "opinion" and "belief." Opinions are neither here nor there and don't affect anything. Beliefs are horses of a different color, because they, by their very nature, call for behavior of one kind or the other. If radical Muslims only had opinions, they wouldn't blow themselves up or want to kill all infidels and kaffurs. It's the actions arising from their belief that create the problems.
21. #20 i missed u too babe :)
fadi ,   lebanon   (11.25.06)
22. A day w/o Fadi is like a day without a pain in the rear :-)
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (11.25.06)
23. Nazi
Jamell ,   Newark, NJ   (11.25.06)
Now who is the Nazi?
24. #4 response
Petra ,   USA   (11.25.06)
Free speech ends where truth begins. We pay for truth and a greater price for lies. You're free to express any lie You like.The Germans know first hand how murder begins, with words of denial and ridicule. They made it a crime for a reason, NEVER AGAIN. Hitlers exercise of 'free speech' was exceedingly costly for them. If You condone murder in the guise of 'free speech' join the Hezb'allah party. Free speech is free except where they advocate our death or destruction. Silly boy, wake up, learn history. Each death begins with a lie masked in the words, "Free Speech." Germany's not laughing any longer, it takes this threat seriously, You should too. It wasn't either 'free' or foolish of Ann Frank to write her true life story. It is foolish of You to advocate lies as 'free speech' This form of hate speak is only a pretext of more murdering of Jews/ Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or ANY other ism the powers that be dictate. First they came for the Jews.......
25. #16 response
Petra ,   USA   (11.25.06)
Was it a crime for the Danish cartoonist to express his opinion when he made a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb fuse on his head? Give me a break, we laugh at that, Muslims kill for that. Free speech? Not in radical Islamicide. Civilized people don't laugh at dead Jews or their memories or graves. Sick twisted bastards do. The same ones now calling themselves, Jihadists. Comprende? Odd that Jihad and Mein Kompf are the same, " my struggle".Deny the Holocaust and You invite another one in the name of "free speech". Freedom isn't free, many valiant men and women paid for our liberty. Freedom from state sponsored terror. Freedom to worship as we please. Free to deny any dictatorship that murders others. It's called democracy. It is not Nazism we won, they lost, remember? Jihadists will lose also. they always fail after they leave piles of graves of the dead. Some memory and legacy they leave for their kids, if they survive their own hatred.
26. Petra
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.25.06)
I fully agree with your two tb regarding free speech .Those crying for freedom of speech have to go to Saudi Arabia or Iran , and ask for freedom of speech there . They say our countries are undemocratic , had it been so , they would already be in jail .
27. It wouldn't be a crime in the US
John ,   USA   (11.25.06)
Because it's worse to force people into suppressing their beliefs than it is to expose the hypocrisy to the light of day. (At least that's if you don't watch Fox news ) I say it's more dangerous to oppress these people than to laugh at their silliness.
28. fadi in lebanon
???   (11.25.06)
"people have the right to xpress themselves as long as they are not conducting any violence" Good...let me "xpress" myself to you then...you're an idiot!
29. #24 - Your statement is all over the place
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (11.25.06)
First you say: "Free speech ends where truth begins." Then you say: "You're free to express any lie You like". Just who decides truth Petra? You? Me? How about the Muslim that says falsely that Islam is truth? Limiting speech one does NOT like risks limiting speech one does like. Voltaire said it wisely when he said I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it. You stated: "It wasn't either 'free' or foolish of Ann Frank to write her true life story." Reread my post for I never said what you stated or are implying I said. Mty heart breaks for what happened to Anne Frank & her family. Thank God we have her diary which memorializes those tragic days. You stated: "It is foolish of You to advocate lies as 'free speech'" I'm not advocating "lies". I'm advocating freedom coupled with the right of others to debate those lies. I advocate discourse. I advocate the BATTLE of ideas. You stated: "This form of hate speak is only a pretext of more murdering". The "pretext of more murdering" Hitler used to gain power and solidify his power was stripping the people of the freedom of press, freedom of speech, and eventually religion. The first thing a tyrant does when acquiring control and power is to take away freedom of speech, freedom of press, and their right to bear arms. Ironically, it is the kind of thinking by the Germans of today and Petra, which create the conditions for a tyrant, like Hitler, by slowly eroding our inalienable right to free speech and free press. Finally, it is obvious that anti-free speech laws don't stop fools from believing the holocaust did not occur; it just lays the groundwork for limiting my inalienable free speech rights of speaking against the evils of Islam, for example, in Germany.
30. #26 - Funny
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (11.25.06)
Dear Charles: As freedom of speech is eroding in parts of the West, you advocate telling free speech advocates to go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and ask for freedom of speech there and we will only see jail. You use Saudi Arabia and Iran as examples of something "not good", yet are becoming more like them in advocating against free speech. If you and yours have your way, it won't be long we won't have to go to Iran or Saudi Arabia to go to jail! We can just go to jail HERE for exercising free speech. You are emulating and advocating the very thing that you admit is bad, i.e. a place with no free speech rights.
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