" The problem in these societies is that the violent rebels rather than the intellectuals have been allowed to take power. When the point of the ceasefire is clearly intellectual (let's talk) and the terrorist leadership twists the meaning to openly state it will use the time to "recuperate" so that it may attack again, this pretty clearly shows us what kind of people we are dealing with here. These people should be brawling it out at the local football match like they do in other countries, not leading the country. I very much give my courage to those who need it in this society to overcome this deadly sillyness." Sounds like a description of the Jewish-supremacist (a.k.a. Zionist) movement.

Keith, With your brilliant logic please explain the Arab massacres of Jews in the 1920 and in Hevron (Hebron to you) in 1936 along with the Grand Mufti Haj Amiin-Al Husseini collaboration with Hitler in trying to exterminate the Jews? In short you don't know history or what the h*ll you're talking about.

Marcel should be PM of Israel and Ehud ... well, I better not say what I would do with Ehud.

Absolutely no comparison can be made between the Israeli Palestinian conflict and the atrocities committed by the Nazis against the Jews. The Nazis "final solution" to the "Jewish problem" was the deliberate and systematic extermination of European Jewry. Hitler's final solution led to the calculated, pre meditated murder of six million Jews and the destruction of many thriving Jewish communities across Europe. Israeli policies toward the Palestinians are dictated solely by its need to defend its population and combat threats to Israel's security, while promoting a negotiated resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Nor can Israeli actions or policies be characterized as acts of ethnic cleansing or genocide. Nothing of the sort is occurring, or has occurred. At the outbreak of violence in September 2000, 99% of the Palestinian population were living under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, and not under Israeli administration. While there have been tragic casualties through this conflict and instances when Israel has felt compelled to impose harsh measures in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, there is no Israeli ideology, policy or plan to persecute, exterminate or expel the Palestinian population. Labeling Israeli treatment of the Palestinians as akin to the Holocaust, "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide" is an attempt to conjure up an emotional reaction through inflammatory rhetoric. Those like you who make the comparison between the Jewish state to the Nazis and Hitler, who perpetrated the greatest and largest act of anti Semitism in world history, have not chosen this comparison innocently or dispassionately. It is a charge that is purposefully directed at Jews in an effort to associate the victims of the Nazis' crimes with the Nazi perpetrators, and serves to diminish the significance and uniqueness of the Holocaust. To make such a comparison is such an act of blatant hostility toward Jews and Jewish history, that it clearly bespeaks of a deeper hatred. A hatred you Keith have toward Jews.

And how dare you call us a racist nation built on 'stolen Arab land'. Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous! Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land. Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews! It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews! No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs --- and their Islam --- were even born! The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts... all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continual presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certain dwarfs any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Jews have. And if you want to talk religion, fine. G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

How do you know the ancient Philistines have all disappeared? I'm sure we could dig up some lost tribes of the Philistines somewhere and give them the land. Afterall they were there before the Jews, so isn't it rightfully theirs then? Isn't there a stone watch tower in Jericho that dates to almost 8000 years ago? That would be nearly 2700 years before the Jews got there. So using your arguement, my friend, the Jews are simply like any other power that moved into the region and took control. Doesn't that make Jews occupiers of the land too? Even while Israel was under Jewish control, most of the time other powers controlled parts of the reason. I would venture to say that Jewish control of all of modern day Israel even was relatively short. Also in international relations you cannot use religious arguments. I mean how do we really know God gave the land to the Jews? Has anyone asked him lately? I'm sorry, but in terms of modern day rights to land that arguement is null and void.

Can you give me a credible source on that 8% thing? And how do you explain that in 1880 there were nearly 500000 Arabs living in Palestine compared to 25000 Jews. It seems that if anyone was not native to the area it was the Jews!

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be.... or in this case... if it looks like ethnic cleansing...

The Arabs (Palestinians included) are semitic. The Philistines were not: The term "Palestine" derives from the word Philistine, the name of a non-Semitic ethnic group, originating from Southern Greece,closely related to early Mycenaean civilization. They inhabited a smaller area on the southern coast, called Philistia, whose borders approximate the modern Gaza Strip. The Philistines seem to have disappeared as a distinct ethnic group by the Assyrian period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Boundaries_and_name How do we know the Huns disappeared?