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Modern day Gog and Magog
Ines Ehrlich
Published: 10.12.06, 21:46
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1. All prophesies are only potential outcomes
malcolm   (12.10.06)
Often they include worst case scenarios. It is up to the Jewish people to determine the outcome. Unfortunately, with actual traitors like Olmert & Livni in place there is little wiggle room at this point. Israel must throw off this corrupt and treasonous tyranny to avert the disasters of a worst case scenario prophesy. Otherwise it looks like Ezekiel is on the money.
2. And what about Mashiach?
Chaya ,   Bat Yam   (12.10.06)
3. gog & magog?? try dumb & dumber
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.10.06)
the only reason these guys are still alive is because israel lets them live.
4. המלחמה האחרונה- The Last War Watch Video
Here http://altv.shemayisrael.com/movie-0113.shtml Sorry folks, its in Hebrew and there are no subtitles. But if you can understand it, its amazing, be sure to watch it and other films by Hidabroot.org
5. Mike why in the woirld as a christian would you move
to Israel, I mean really ISRAEL IS A JEWISH STATE Your pressence doesnt do any good for this nation
6. If one can stop the sun from rising, then can stop prophecy
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (12.10.06)
"Should we wait for future developments and hope for the best, or look more closely at Ezekiel's prophecy and consider preemptive action to stop what may be seen as an imminent threat rising from the "anti-Israel coalition?" One can NOT STOP what has been prophesized by God's prophet anymore than one can stop the sun from rising. God's prophets are true prophets. Ezekial spoke of an event that WILL occur. That does NOT mean therefore that one does not prepare for such event. One should always be READY... Only once did God relent from a prophecy given by one of his prophets, i.e. Jonah, about the destruction of a city, i.e. Ninevah. Why? The people repented.
7. wake up jewish people
yosef ,   diaspora   (12.10.06)
we are indeed heading down the road of a very dangerous situation. eventually all of these corrupt leaders (olmert.peretz.bush. and company) will realize they are fools. they have no power the power comes from hashem they will soon be humiliated and have to proclaim to the nation and the world that hashem and hashem alone is the king. if the jewish people do tshuvah and confess their transgressions to hashem and beg for forgivness and start praying and getting serious all of this trouble will disappear. yes i know this sounds like crazy talk now, but i believe with all my heart something big is about to happen even if you are not religious simply look at the way the world is changing around us. our enemies are mulitplying and they are stronger than ever. now with missiles they can potentially do what they never could before. have no fear, we are hashems children he loves us, when we suffer it is for our own good, hashem brings us suffering to humble us so we can break down our egos and accept his torah with love. now is the time to pray, stop trusting in materialism and other nonsense. the whole world is changing zionism means nothing anymore everything is turning back to religion and g-d. let us pray that moshiach will come today and that all this trouble will be over
8. Ezekiel Prophecy
shanatova ,   sydney,australia   (12.10.06)
If Israelis would only read the Prophets in the Tanach, they would be as the saying goes " forewarned is being forearmed". It appears that just as the Jews of Germany became complacent and too comfortable, so the Jews of Israel are not getting the message. Iran's President does not want to "make up" with Iraq. Have a look at the geography and the strategic jump that Iran can make into Israel, from Iraq and Syria. You need to go back and read the Prophecies of your own Bible. These are not potential outcomes as Malcolm wrote. These are ACTUAL OUTCOMES since the WORD OF G-D does not fall short of fulfillment. Israel today, is an ACTUAL FULFILLMENT of the prophecies given through the Prophets. If prophecies were only a potential outcome, then the Israel that stands today, out of the Holocaust must only be a potential reality, not an ACTUAL REALITY. shanatova
9. Bin Ladin's name is coded in the torah, and according to the
coding the Massiach alone shell take revenge in him, (he won't be caught by the west). So I guess that means that the Massiach should come in Bin Ladin's life time, that's our life time.
10. And why is this article here?
Vitaliy ,   NJ, USA   (12.11.06)
I am sure most of the people, be they Christians or Jews, who read this paper have knowledge of the general ideas in Ezekiel's prophecy and its possible interpretations. What good is it to just give general ideas of it? Couldn't they have talked to, I don't know, a rabbi and see what Talmud says about it or kabbalists say? Or differing interpretations between the movements? I mean couldn't they make this article deeper than just what you can get from opening the Bible and reading it for yourself???
11. Gog and Magog
S. Wooldridge ,   San Diego - USA   (12.11.06)
Actually, the prophecy I heard in 1985 included China in league with Russia and "all of their bands with them" - indicating other Muslim or anti-Israel countries. At the time this prophecy was given, Russia and China were enemies .. but they have since joined in league with each other. The reason they will attack Israel is because Israel will use a limited nuke on Damascus (Isaiah 17:1 - The burden of Damascus. It will be taken away from being a city, it will become a ruinous heap.). I believe this attack will be the result of Israel being attacked with perhaps some sort of chemical or biological weapon from Syria (either directly or through the group in Lebanon). Enough people will die that Israel will forced to retalliate in a big way. After the attack upon Damascus, the whole world (except America and the UK) will be wanting Israel's hide - and calling them the worst nation on the face of the earth - the only nation to use nuclear [not even NK or Iran used a nuke]. At the moment, the govt of Israel doesn't appear to be capable of doing this .. but circumstances of the attack may cause a change in policy - or even bring about a change in govt. America does not appear to be involved in helping Israel - except maybe with armament and/or intel (at least according to the scriptures). But America and others will see the gathering storm against Israel, and be asking what they're up to. When all those armies come from the north, they will be stopped by GOD. He's going to show up and defeat them all. The Bible clearly says that Israel will be harvesting the spoils for 7 years. And .. on top of Mt. Carmel in the Valley of Miggido (where the actual conflict will take place) there is a TV transmitting tower. There will be a person there who will be filming this war: GOD against all those armies. Because of an Israeli TV blackout - only this station will be sending out the war images - and it will be narrated (by the guy at the tower) with Bible scriptures. When the world gets a look at THIS GOD .. they will be running to any building with the word "church" on it and asking: Do you know this GOD ..?? Our churches will be open 24/7 and millions of people will be saved. This will be the final harvest. Is it time yet for this event ..?? I don't know. I'm watching for the incident in Damascus because I will then be sure of the coming events. How long it will take before or after Damascus, I have no idea. But .. I do think Iran (with Syria's help) could be the fomenter of the attack against Israel which will start the ball rolling. Like I said, I first heard this prophecy in 1985, and I still believe it today. While the scriptures clearly say, "even so, come Lord Jesus", I can see this prophecy beginning to take shape.
12. Further to #8
Jon ,   Oz   (12.11.06)
If Jews of Europe had read and understood Ezekiel 20 many more might have survived
13. Looking for patterns in the sand of a beach
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (12.11.06)
Quit wasting your time poking your nose in the bible. Prophecy smophecy. If you look hard enough you'll find what ever your looking for. Clouds look like animals and you'll see what ever you want in the patterns of the sand on a beach. The facts sit in front of you in the events going on in the world today. Plan for your future there.
14. God's word is true
Lyn ,   USA   (12.11.06)
As far as prophecy from G-d goes, if G-d has said it, it will come to pass whether we believe or not. Their is a scripture in Numbers and the context is about the prophecies of Balaam who was hired to curse Israel by and evil Moabite king but Balaam blessed Israel instead. It is very interesting to read but the point I want to make is something that G-d say's in these verses that stand for G-d regardless of the situation. Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man that he should repent: hath he said, and shall not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good. God's word is true. The fact that we see all these things predicted coming to pass with our very own eyes in this generation should make everyone pause and I would hope that many would take the time to study G-d's word. I would think it would be worth it if our very soul depends on it. Love and hugs to Israel. You are a good and caring people and you definately don't deserve how many in the world treat you. G-d loves you and so do I.
15. "living securely each one of them"
Andrew ,   Melbourne, Australia   (12.11.06)
according to the prophecy the battle occurs at at time when Israelis are living in peace. It seems to suggest that Israel is taken by surprise. Maybe a (fake) peace treaty is just around the corner.
16. Why does Ynet quote a xtian and not a Rav !!!!!
dovid n ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.11.06)
17. S. Wooldridge
dovid n ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.11.06)
This is a Jewish site and we don't give two hoots about the one you call Jesse and your churches and false prophecy. We have our own tradition and way of understanding these events and dont need any input from a Xtian. PS. If I were you I would learn and follow the "Seven Laws of Noah" (www.noahide.org) and give up on Jesse.
18. Another Prophecy
Gabrael ,   Spain   (12.11.06)
Since I'm interested in the return of our messiah and saviour, Jesus Christ, I did some research on Islamic prophecy. According to them, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia will be killed and the royal family will fight among themselves for the new king. The Saudi family will lose power, and every couple of months a new ruler will be appointed until the return of their messiah, the mahdi. But before of the return of the mahdi, a war is going to erupt in the sham area (syria or lebanon), which will not end until a huge earth quake hits that area. Then, a foreign army with yellow banners will enter the area, and a lot of killings will take place. After that, the leader of Damascus will be either killed or overthrown, and an Ally of Israel will rule Syria. This new leader will take over iraq and egypt, (probably lebanon and jordan too), and will ally himself with Saudi Arabia to fight the mahdi. He will fight for 6 months, and rule for another 9, and he will be fully supported by the west. His army will enter saudi arabia after the saudis ask for help, but his army will be swallowed by an earthquake in the desert of arabia. After that, the mahdi will counter attack and he will kill the pro-western ruler, and rule over the whole middle east, making najaf, in iraq, his capital. A peace treaty will be signed between the mahdi and the west, but it will be broken after 3 years. Then, Iran will send an army carrying black banners to fight alongside the mahdi, and yemen will send another army to support him too, and they will unite all muslims against Israel, and all muslims willl fight israel, and they will deafeat it, and enter alaqsa mosque and pray in it with their messiah.
19. Read Pesikta Rabati and Zohar written over 2000 years ago
Bush ,   USA   (12.11.06)
In the end of Parashat VAERA: Before Mashiach comes the Yishmaelim or arabs will provoke many wars in the world. Three major wars will be waged between the west and the arabs. One on land one by sea and a third next to Jerusalem. etc. Pesikta Rabati says. Iran (shiites) will rise in power before Mashiachs arrival. The kings of the arabs (sunnis) will feel very intimidated by their growing power and will run to the west for help. By then it will be too late because Iran would have destroyed so much of the world. Etc. From both these prophecies I can tell you we don't seem too far
20. Gog & Magog article
Michael ,   South Bend, USA   (12.11.06)
28% of the Christian Bible is prophecies. Some fulfilled, some being fulfilled, and many to yet be fulfilled. So far, the accuracy of the Bible's fulfilled prophecies is 100% accurate. The best way to determine if general, or literal, is to go study fulfilled prophecies. You will find they were fulfilled literally, not allegorically, or metaphorically or Spiritual. Then go and read the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 12:7, 13:14-15, 15:18-21, 17:6, and 28:13-14. You do not need, nor should you desire an interpreter. It is simple to understand. Then read the Davidic Covenant in II Samuel 7: 12-17. It is going to take place just like God said it would. The Gog, Magog scenario will be the start, and it is very close at hand. Mike
21. #10...why is it here?
Craig ,   USA   (12.11.06)
Why complain, it is great that this article is presented here. Sure, they could have produced a more in depth piece, but they have limited time and space. It is simply fantastic, for secular Israel to be made aware of the relevance of God's Scripture, how it is pertinent to our present time. Hopefully, many in Israel who have abandoned a true belief in the Almighty, the God of Israel, in the validity of His Word, will be interested enough to pull out Ezekial's prophesies. I urge any readers here who wish to no more, to get a copy of Hal Lindsey's "Late, Great, Planet Earth", in addition to the Book mentioned. Hal went to great pains to identify those nations which will be involved. Mr. Lindsey is still active and has a web site: http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/ May God Bless Israel, and all the Jews (and all the gentiles as well)who will truly humble themselves, acknowledge their offenses, and repent. Very soon I think, God's silence will finally come to an end. Are you ready Israel; is your heart right before your God? I think Scripture indicates things are going to get worse...evil increases in the last days as 'birth pains upon a women'. But as individuals, we can be prepared. I urge all Jews, read not only your 'Old Testament' Scriptures, but take a look at the Christian New Testament, familiarize yourself with The Book of Revelation (last book...which deals specifically with 'the last days'). Remember, True Christians Love Israel and our Jewish Brothers.
22. #1...malcom
Craig ,   USA   (12.11.06)
Potential outcomes? How do you justify that statement? Prophesy is given as 'proof' of God's divine hand...ahead of time, so people will believe and prepare, or alternately not become dismayed as events foretold unveil. Prophesy verifies the true authorship and divine inspiration of Scripture. It is not a POTENTIAL outcome. A Russian leader WILL be drawn into leading an attack on Israel...probably due to the triggering of a defense pact when Israel enters into open warfare with Syria or Iran. In Ezekial, "Gog" is identified as of Magog, but further as chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. This further confirms the origin as Soviet, as the names have been linked to the sons of Noah and where they settled.
23. Bring it on, please!
enzo ,   london,uk   (12.11.06)
I do believe that the end times are approaching. President Bush and Ahmadinejad, Putin and quite a few people in Israel also know that we are "nearly there". But there is no reason to be pessimistic! All our troubles will be over, because G-d is on our side!
Craig Crawford ,   Laguna Niguel   (12.11.06)
The time draws near ... the Bible warns Iran (Persia), with Russia ('Magog' ... who the Bible warns will also act as a 'guard'), and a coalition of allies (including Turkey) will attack and will invade Israel. In Ezekiel 38-39 the Bible warns this coming war between Iran (Persia) and Israel will take place sometime after Israel has been re-gathered into Her land as a nation (which was fulfilled on May 14, 1948) ... this prophetic war has never yet taken place ... the only time in history Persia (Iran) has ever gone to war against Israel was to help Israel throw off the yoke of the Byzantine Empire around 614 AD. The Bible warns the US will NOT defend Israel. According to the Bible, Israel must stand alone...with God. For when this coming war does finally start, the United States (for reasons yet unknown) will be unable or unwilling to help Israel defend herself. Although the Bible warns the invading armies will be ultimately destroyed by God, it will be a devastating war for both Israel and the whole world. Bible scholars are divided as to whether this coming war is part of the prophetic battle of Armageddon or will just precede the battle of Armageddon in order to prepare the path for the coming Antichrist (a coming 'world leader' who will enforce a 'peace plan' upon Israel). Bible students should be sitting on the edge of their seats with white knuckles watching this terrible prophecy slowly start to unfold ... while believing Christians (followers ... both Jew and Gentile ... of Jesus-Yeshua, the promised Messiah) are told to 'examine' themselves in the Word and in faith to insure they are not just 'almost' Christians (followers of the Messiah) or 'lukewarm' in their faith ... for Jesus-Yeshua the Messiah warns all to, "Watch, therefore, and pray always (not just sometimes), that you will be counted worthy to escape all these things (the terrible events of the coming 'Apocalypse') that will come to pass" ... (Luke 21:36) ... for the Bible promises believing Christians (faithful believers and followers of the Messiah) who are alive at that time and have endured in their faith in God's Word are not 'appointed' to this coming time of 'God's wrath' that will be 'poured out' upon the whole world ... (1 Thessalonians 1:10 ... 1 Thessalonians 5:9-11) Grace and Shalom, www.alphanewsdaily.com www.theprophecies.com
25. Myth
Tom ,   NZ   (12.11.06)
These are all fables of the ancients and holds no water whatsoever.It is only wishful thinking. Israel should make peace with Nasrullah and Ahmadinejad,go back to 1967 boders and live happily ever after. After all this is 21st century and don't expect your readers to believe in such baseless nonesense.
26. #4 the last war watch video
Mark ,   UK   (12.11.06)
You need to see a psychatrist.You expect people to believe in such uncommon tall stories.Grow up and don't play too much computer games. Have fun
27. Such stupidity. Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Syri didnt exist
Efi ,   TLV, Israel   (12.11.06)
back then, so this is all total nonsense
28. GOG & MAGOG in Quran/Bible
deft one ,   dubai, UAE   (12.11.06)
29. don't be so happy
yenan ,   jerusalem israel   (12.11.06)
30. don't be so happy
yenan ,   jerusalem israel   (12.11.06)
before hashem is going to came and save israel 80% of the people are going to pass away
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