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Modern day Gog and Magog
Ines Ehrlich
Published: 10.12.06, 21:46
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31. Ines: Read This One
Rav ,   Israel   (12.11.06)
A muslim Bedouin told me once that the name "Gog" is another word for the Arab god "Allah". A literal understanding of the word "Magog" is "from gog" or "those belonging to gog".
32. end of days
Yisraeli   (12.11.06)
Ive followed this site mostly and its the 100% kosher Jewish perspective, no jesse james there. http://www.yearsofawe.blogspot.com/
33. Real Strength is Restraint
EM ,   Ra'anana   (12.11.06)
I don't agree with the premise of this well written article...which ultimately insinuates that Israel should do a preemptive strike but won't or can't because the current government is too weak. I think it is a sign of great strength not to attack...and especially not because Ezekial's prophesy looks like it may be relevant today. Ancient prophesies have seemed relevant at various points throughout histroy, usually when times are bad and have given rise to false Mesiahs (Shabbtai Tsvi to name one). In general, like modern day statistics, prophesies can be interpreted according to whatever message one wants to promote.
34. To Rav
Rabih ,   Egypy   (12.11.06)
This Bedoin doesn't even know Arabic. Gog, or Yaajuj doesn't mean anything in Arabic, and Magog, or Maajuj, doesn't have a meaning in Arabic either!
35. to #27
EM ,   Ra'anana   (12.11.06)
Egypt existed at the time of Ezekial. Way before him too.
36. #27 Turkey & Syria did exist they were
(12.11.06)
provinces of the ruling empires. Iraq was Babolyn. Learn history ad geography.
37. #27 did they only recently
J   (12.11.06)
pop out of the ocean then?
38. To All The Believers
NYC Girl   (12.11.06)
How is it that this same God, who you seem to think has such power over the universe, apparently had no power over the freaking Nazis?
39. One should never put his ears on the pillow...
Keren ,   SP-now in Israel   (12.11.06)
...and slep well for all his life ,thinking everything will be alright even without his intervention. I believe ,we have to workout on what is wrong,ALWAYS,and so we will always deserve the best to come. We have to merit things,I believe. Our part must be accomplished as good and as efficiently as possible ,and the rest ,our Only and Santiest Lord will keep doing for us always.
40. do not be player hater End
1.5 billion muslims   (12.11.06)
reality check, world
41. Re: Iraq, Egypt, Turkey, Syri didnt exist
JR ,   USA   (12.11.06)
Uh, neither did Israel - but she is here today. Regardless what the names of the places were called at that time, the regions did exist and were quite active.
42. To # 18, Gabrael
Suzanne ,   Glen Rock, Penn., US   (12.11.06)
It is no wonder that the Muslim pseudo-prophesies sound familier: Muhammed twisted the Jewish and Christian prophesies he heard from travelers and incorporated these into Muslim tradition. This is the reason why the Mahdi and the breaking of the peace treaty sound so familiar. We should give no heed to the "prophesies" of unbelievers. Understand this: Ezekiel 38 and 39 tells us G-d will CRUSH the invading forces. After this humiliating defeat, "Islamofascism" (radical Islam) will be eradicated from the earth. Why? Because Muhammed preached that Islam is destined to rule the earth. If it truly was, then they would never be defeated. This will open the minds and hearts of millions of Muslims toward the TRUE G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In the meantime, we should all pray for the peace of Jerusalem -- not to hasten the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38 and 39, but because G-d's chosen people deserve no less than peace after all they have suffered.
43. # 38 NYC Girl
Suzanne ,   Glen Rock, Penn., US   (12.11.06)
How very insensitive and hostile. I'll bet you kick puppies, too.
44. Israeli brothers & sisters
Christian American ,   Cincinnati USA   (12.11.06)
Israelites - Gd's chosen people. What more could one ask for? As a show of respect to Israel and it's people which is the greatest nation and people on earth, the "o" was ommitted as I referred to our creator. I stand from afar and see how blessed you are, and what blessings! Realize Israel, that you stand tall above ALL other nations and peoples. Realize Israel, you CANNOT be defeated. Give thanks Israel, for being so blessed. Stand tall Israel and praise Gd in humility, not pride. Your Christian brothers and sisters stand with you. The angels of Gd protect and guide you. The American nation is powerful, but Israel being so blessed, is more powerful. The USA will fade one day. We are simply united states joined forming a nation, but you are Gd's chosen ones. Israel - just the sound of the name is blessed. Of ALL nations the Israelites are Gd's chosen people. What more could one ask for as a people?
45. Gog Magog
Windy ,   Dayton USA   (12.11.06)
Russia and Iran are aligned against you as the Lord foretold. Do you believe Him now, or is this another in a long series of coincidences? Take heart Israel...the Lord is on your side. You will soon see for yourselves. Trust Him, because you can not trust anyone or anything else. I will continue to pray for you!
46. #44
israeli ,   israel   (12.11.06)
Blessed are those who bless Israel!
47. to nr #44 thank you on behalf of all jewish people!
megi ,   london   (12.11.06)
thanks for all your kind words. may god of israel bless our only true friends the american people. god bless you my friend.
48. # 44 Great post!
Lyn ,   USA   (12.11.06)
To #44, how wonderfully said and I totally agree as another christian who btw is not trying to convert any here to christianity as some seem concerned from postings on Ynet. I believe it is G-d who will make all of Israel one day see their messiah and what a wonderful day that will be. He will wipe away all tears. There will be no more hiding in bomb shelters, no more hatred, no more murderers. There is a generation of younger christians that understands that of course if you ask us about Yeshua we will tell you why we believe in him as Lord but I believe as well we are to stand with Israel REGARDLESS, respect each others beliefs and help each other in these trying times. I believe it is not a time to argue amongst ourselves. We need to stand together united against this hateful and murderous spirit in the world today.
49. TO # 38 NYC Girl
Bush ,   USA   (12.11.06)
Think about what you're saying. No one but G-d could have brought to power a small group of people in the 1920's to a whole empire in 10 years that was willing to challenge the world. Yet America which was powerful for decades couldn't get Vietnam right. By the way the Talmud in Tractate Megillah brings down a prayer Yaacov prayed to G-d that G-d should not release the nose ring of his brother Esau and the Talmud explains because otherwise Germany will destroy the world. The Torah says straight out by Isaac's blessing to Esau that when the Jews fall and stop doing their job, Esau's children will go after him with the sword until they repent. G-d was definitely there otherwise they would have not been able to do what they did.
50. Re: To All The Believers
TruBeliever   (12.11.06)
Be born again. Accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior. You'll get all the answers you need.
51. NYC Girl #38
dovid n ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.11.06)
Throughout the Jewish History we had many atrocities worst than the Nazis. We may not know the exact reasons why but we do have some ideas that I will not go into here. I would suggest if you are Jewish to get involve in with a Jewish orthodox organization, like Chabad or Aish.com that can help you work thorough your doubt. For the non-Jewish readers I would suggest http://www.noahide.org. http://www.aish.com/holocaust/issues/Understanding_the_Holocaust.asp
52. 5
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.11.06)
israel is a jewish state, you are right (you know, that probably explains the vast number of jews i see everywhere). but, there are arabs here, too, so there you have it.
53. To Suzane 43 about 38 NYC girl
Stan ,   Brooklyn, USA   (12.11.06)
Hi Suzane you did not answer NYC girl's question. My grandfather stoped beliving after his first family was murdered by fricking nazis. Jewish future is in Jewish hands, not in Magogs Shmagogs.
54. Gog and Magog
Edward Anderson ,   Savannah, USA   (12.11.06)
I would like to point out that MOST people FAIL to read Ez.36&37 BEFORE they read Ez.37&38!!! In order to understand the correct TIME flow of Ez.37&38 we see that in Ez.36&37 that the 12 tribes of Israel have been restored and thart David is raised as a king and prince over the tribes. All of this ties into Zechariah where Messiah comes back and steps out into real earth time history on the mount of Olives. We see that through the various prophecies of the minor and major prophets that the land of Israel is to be restored to the fertility and beauty of the Garden of Eden and that the wealth of the nations will flow into Jerusalem to honor Messiah!!! It is in the LATTER years, AFTER this restoration and the blessings of the tribes that Gog will attack Israel. Too many teachers fail to read Ez.36&37 BEFORE Ez.37&38 and therefore get a screwed up and false interpretation of these events. Now, I don't preclude that there would not or could not be smaller representations of wars with Israel and these people in the here and now, BUT...the section of Scripture that is being addressed is far into the distant future. The GREAT battle before this, which will be upon us in the near future is the Battle of Armeggedon, when ALL nations will be gathered against Jerusalem for Messiah to fight against them and to judge them. Only 1/6th of the people that fight against Jerusalem will survive in order to tell their nations that they go back to what a great God that Israel has!!! I could add more info but I suggest that one look into these thimngs for themselves instead of just listening to someone else's interpretations. If one would like to discuss what I have stated please feel free to write.
55. 49/50/51...all believers
Dan ,   USA   (12.11.06)
how can you say, that only god allowed the jews back into Israel? I believe it was Jews who were sick of pograms packed up and left europe for a better life. I also believe the Rothschilds who made their fortune in the Naploionic Wars helped the funding. So, unless the Rothschilds and PM Disraeli (who converted to christianity btw) are "gods" then PEOPLE made it happen. Give some credit where credit is due, and not an absent figure of your immagination [god]. And no, not god, not jesus, not the prophet Jospeh Smith will fix the world... Only the last and True Prophet can save us now: Rodney King who said, "Why can't we all just get along" can save us now.
56. # 53 Stan
Suzanne ,   Glen Rock, Penn., US   (12.11.06)
"NYC Girl" didn't ask a true question, but I'll answer yours. Most of my father's family died while hiding Jews and acting against the Nazis in Germany. My French grandmother and German grandfather barely escaped Europe with their lives, but have no family left. I consider it an honor that even ONE of my family members died defending the lives of innocents. Someday, those of us who are righteous enough to stand before G-d can ask Him why the Holocaust happened. But for now, all we can do is hang on in faith. "Magogs Shmagogs"? When the invasion happens and G-d wins, will you then believe?
57. Idiots
Kike el hombre ,   The Mond   (12.11.06)
All believers, of all faiths, are a pathetic bunch of idiots. The fact that there are so many doesn't surprise me. Christians have been waiting for the second coming for 2000 years. Yet Jesus prophesied that it would happen "before this generation goes by". First Christians believed it was imminent and even discussed if it was worthwhile to marry or not. The fact that it didn't happen doesn't seem to trouble modern Christians. And I bet they will be still believing for another 2000 years. Jews and their Mochiach are just as pathetic. When will believers start using their brains?
58. GOG
Joe Jew   (12.11.06)
Actually, the name gog as spelled in the orignal Hebrew has no dagesh in either gimmel. If you play with the soft g sound,and add an r you get........... GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
59. gog magog
nora ,   jerusalem   (12.11.06)
they are the people without hearts ,no mercy .. they will come from evry where to any one ..
60. Joel 3 & 4
R. Alkalai ,   USA   (12.11.06)
How about this one from Joel 3 & 4: Chapter 3 1) {In the days of the Messiah} I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions... 2) I will set signs in the heavens and on earth: blood, fire, and pillars of smoke. Before the great and awesome Day of God arrives, the sun will turn into darkness and the moon into blood. 3) Yet everyone who calls out in the Name of God will escape. As God has said: There will be a remnant on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. The survivors will be those who call out to God. Chapter 4 1-3) Now, in those days and at that time when I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. I will dispute with them there over My people and My inheritance ─ for scattering Israel among the nations, for dividing My land, and for casting lots over My people. They exchanged a boy for a prostitute. They sold a girl for wine, which they drank. 4-6) And what have you to do with Me, O Tyre, Sidon, and all the districts of Philistia? Are you avenging yourselves against Me? Or if you are initiating aggression against Me, I will very swiftly punish you for what you've done. You took My silver and gold, and carried off My precious treasures to your temples. You sold the children of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to distance them from their homeland. But I will rouse them out of the place to which you sold them, and I will punish you in kind... 9-11) Proclaim this among the nations: Declare war! Rouse the mighty! Let all the warriors come up and draw near! Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weak say, “I am mighty!” Gather yourselves! Come from all directions, all you nations, and join together. God will bring down your mighty men there. 12-13) Let the nations awake and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There, 1 will sit in judgment over all the surrounding nations. Wield the sickle, because the crop is ripe. Come tread, because the winepress is full, the vats overflow ─ for their wickedness is great. 14-17) Many multitudes [will perish] in the Valley of Verdict. The Day of God is close in the Valley of Verdict. The sun and the moon will turn dark, and the stars will conceal their brightness. God will roar from Zion and shout out from Jerusalem, causing heaven and earth to tremble. But God will be a shield for His people and a stronghold for the people of Israel. Then you will know that I, God your Lord, dwells in Zion, My holy mountain. Jerusalem will then be sacred, and strangers will never again pass through her... 20-21) Egypt will become a devastation, and Edom a devastated wasteland, because they afflicted the Judeans, whose innocent blood they shed in their land. But Judah will endure forever, and Jerusalem for all generations. “Will I forgive them? No! I will not forgive them!” when God dwells in Zion!
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