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Neturei Karta: Iranians making logical claim
Neta Sela
Published: 12.12.06, 03:38
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61. Israel a hollow democracy
John Barry ,   Israel   (12.12.06)
Reading all talkback Neturei karta has proved Israed is a hollow democracy. you cannot denie they are not jews. if you do what about you? also prove how racist the jews are.
62. Haredim , holocaust, elal
eddie ,   london UK   (12.12.06)
altho the haredi rabis are quick to proclaim a ban on ElAl for breaking shabbat,they do not do the same with neturei karta - who are true rodefim, and a danger to israel. Becasue, the Haredim, are closer to the rodefim NT than they are to secular Jews who defend israel.
63. To # 50 and #52
Danny ,   Zion Ethiopia   (12.12.06)
Yes Africans in Africa have land (in Zimbabwe its still a struggle) but what about the hundred of millions in south and north america such as those in the gettos of Brazil, Jamaica and victims of Katrina in new orleans for instance? Remember these are the same Africans who built the pyramids and ancient universities of Timbukutu and Alexandra. How can one deny that no African died during slavery? What about the miilions who never saw the shores of america, those who were fed to the sharks in the ocean and those who died due to fatigue or hunger or beatings? Lerts not even mention the ku klux klan or king leopold of Belgium who amputed and killed many Congolease in DRC, a trend that has continued with western (and eastern) sponsoships of dictators such as the late Mobutu of the then Zaire. Can all those africans in the diaspora repatriate back to Africa without restrictions if they want? How can one say slavery has always existed and so is acceptable? So can one justify the holocaust because the slaugthering of innocent people by those who abuse power has always existed?This was forced slavery and never in history has it ever happned to the extent it happned to the Africans (Israelites) for more than 400 years, just like the children of Israel in Egypt, mere coincidence? All big cities and economies of the western world have benefited enormously from this crime against humanity, ITS PAY BACK TIME, just like Germany is paying back!! Jews and Africans have suffered in a similar way, hence the connection between Israel of King Solomon and Ethiopia (Africa) through the Queen of Sheba and her son Menelek I (David) and the movement of the Ark of the Covenant, where it is there GOD is, seen?
64. neturei karta & jews for jesus = same same
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.12.06)
substitute "jews for jesus" in this article and the talkbacks are the same: they are not jewish! the difference is that you haven't, and won't, see "jews for jesus" at a conference of this sort. just an observation.
65. Only one word for Naturei Karta
Paolo Ortenzi ,   Rome, Italy   (12.12.06)
TRAITORS!!!
66. Neturai Karta
yonatan ,   melbourne   (12.12.06)
Re #1. Simply ,these ultra-ultra orthodox believe that mass aliyah can only occur led by the Messiah. It is a Godly constructed occurence. Man made (ie..Zionism) attempts at political settlement are a profanity and will bring destruction to the Jewish people. They also advicate not to upset the Gentile nations...ie Arab countries. This is also a religous issue. They don't give two hoots about the Palestinians, but are focussed on 'Klal Israels' blasphemy. p.s They also contend that the holocaust was punishment by God for the attempts of secular Zionists to create a Jewish nation in Israel.
67. ZIONISM versus JUDAISM
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (12.12.06)
Being on a son of holocast survivors,i can say that to see jews joining a conference like,is nuts. On the other end, their view of zionism is not wrong. Just living here one can see what kind of people zionism has produced. The state and its socialist iedeaologie has created a people with little to no connection to judaism. And among our upper ruling class(media,judges and so on) there is a pure hatred towards the religious jew. Someone who follows the news here would have read, that the left wants to introduce a law ,punishing people that encourage religious practices to minors.With chanukah being close one can say that this land is ruled by hellenistic jews. So in lot of ways zionism has become opposed to judaism. The NK did us a disfavor and will only fan the flames in the corridors of power against us torah jews.
68. Let these assholes stay in Iran.
Avraham ,   Netivot   (12.12.06)
69. Israel is a secular irreligious state
Richard ,   New York, USA   (12.12.06)
run by corrupt Mafia Jews, and from an ideological perspective, the Naturei Karta have a valid argument. Every Jew should have the freedom to investigate the Holocaust and to find out the truth of that situation. I have read books that said 6 million were killed; I have read books showing that 5 million were killed; and I have read books that said 3.5 million were killed. The Holocaust should not be a religion of faith, but about the facts on the ground. Every Jew needs to know the real number of Jews killed in the Holocaust, whatever it is. There must be freedom of speech and no coverup.
70. EIM HABANIM SAMEICHA
dudu ,   ole   (12.12.06)
I have one suggestion for everybody who shares the feelings of NK.. Buy the book of Yisachar Teichtal s'l Eim Habanim Sameicha is a marvelous book about everything you wanna know about Eretz Yisrael unity en redemption... This holy rabbi calls people like "rabbi" weis antagonists and refutes them... he recalls in his book the chasidim who were living in hungary and were spreading stories about the slaughter of the polish Jews: "because they support the settlement of Eretz Yisrael the people are being punished" Do Not Answer A Fool To His Folly!!!
71. nutcrackers!!!!!!
jman ,   il   (12.12.06)
just one question: if they despise the state of israel then why do they live here? answer: they are like the arabs, once they concure they can't understand being concured. they are jelious of those that came after.
72. #69 you lost a screw?
dudu ,   ole   (12.12.06)
here are your numbers 5.1 million slaughtered in camps 1 million died of starvation and sickness outside the camps... Now go find a mechanic for your screw... I Do agree with david from Judea The leadership lost G'ds way completely we don't need to search long to know what will happen with them... NK is a political movement not interested in clal yisrael if they were they would go to Israel and show how much pain they feel and how much they love every Jew BUT INSTEAD THEY TALK LASHON HARA AND CAUSE A LOT OF PAIN AND DISTRESS!! ITS SO EASY TO SCREAM AND SHOUT BUT SO MUCH HARDER TO HELP!!! NK ARE JUST A BUNCH OF SUCKERS WITH NO IDENTITY!!
73. About NK.
Avrohom Stock ,   Melbourne   (12.12.06)
As a religious jew, i would like to add my own two cents in to this forum about the NK. firstly to paint them with the same brush as Charedim, is an injustice to many truly G-D fearing people, that would not even entertain such thoughts even in the bathroom. As comeing from Chabad, it is well known who much the security of the Israe was to the late Rebbe of Lubavitch, in his many enterveiws with PMs and MKs of Israel. The NK are a fringe group who do not present the views of the majority of Charedim."I as a religios jew, condemn the attandance of NK at this confference in Iran"
74. NETUREI KARTA = MERETZ AVODA
am israel hai   (12.12.06)
75. Holocaust
marcus ,   makawao ,USA   (12.12.06)
Euro-jews are not semetic,semites are Arabs. Over 300 million native Americans of the North and South were murdered by the euro-coloniaist in the name of the chosen people.One must ask the question "chosen for what"Now thats a Holocaust,maybe we should give these displaced victms of that Holocauste the country of India,since they were Indians. I mean who gets their own country just because they have a Mythology that a bunch of ignorant sheep belives its true. The truth of the matter is that 98% of all jews in the world are non-hebrew ,thus jewish by religion not by blood,thus non-jewish .Occupiers,colonialists,yes.
76. @ marcus
dudu ,   ole   (12.12.06)
Hi marcus... has it ever come to mind that you might be from german descend? Well at least you talk like you do... Blaming the Jews for killing 300 million native americans is on your conto... Blaming is for fools or are you satan the accuser? 2 years ago a report came out after a very long study... they found that european jews are descendents from Iraqi jews... You never wondered why Jews look different more middle eastern??
77. Holocaust is myth
Kareem ,   Egypt   (12.12.06)
This is not the first time I come up against evidence that contradicts the existence of the holocaust. I've seen video of the camps, and interviews with Crematorium directors that claim that the numbers that are claimed dead are IMPOSSIBLE. First of all, in order to burn a human totally to ashes, "AS THEY CLAIM", there has to be a machine that breaks the bones to fine bits..otherwise the bones won't be ashes...There were no machinery of that kind at that time! 2ndly, it takes half an hour to burn one body fully..in a crematorium that is..the claim thousands of bodies were piled up and burnt in a couple of hours is totally BS...because, if it takes ONE body half an hour to burn IN OPTIMUM CONDITIONS..then how long will ONE body burn OUTDOORS? much longer.. This is just a couple of facts that point to the non-existence of the Holocaust..maybe you need to open your minds a little..hopefull this post is not censored.
78. #62
Israel   (12.12.06)
Ignorant fool! Time and time again the Chassidic Rabbis have proclaimed a 'cherem' on the Karta Kreeps. Oh dear , they don't read every word of every Ynut , and rush to respond like you and other ignoramuses. Best to shut up Mr.Ed, when you're stupid, but, as you're British, we should be understanding and forgive you...
79. 377
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80. #77 Sour Cream
(12.12.06)
and youre a myth fit in the circle of life.
81. Tehran let in that sick bunch of Naturei Karta
Talula ,   Israel   (12.12.06)
But they refused entry to Attorney Khaled Kassab Mahamid, an Israeli Arab from Nazareth who wanted to prove there was a Holocaust. Hmmm selective guest list. Anyone who agreed there was no Holocaust was welcome, anyone wanting to PROVE there was didn't get an invite or a visa. I bet the debate at the end was boring! everyone was agreeing - LOL! what a sick bunch those Iranians are. All headed up by one midget with Napolean complex. I almost wish I was there to see it.
82. Kereem, you're sick
Paolo Ortenzi ,   Rome, Italy   (12.12.06)
.. and ignorant. Don't speak about things you don't know, and make a trip in Auschwitz. You're the kind of people I contempt the most: patronizing from the low of your IGNORANCE.
83. 77 - come to Israel - it's a simple as that
Israel   (12.12.06)
Come here and let me show you around Yad Vashem, let me take you to meet Holocaust survivors, let me show you concrete facts. Or do you just want to live happily in your ignorant world of Jew hating. Poor you. You poor ignorant lost soul.
84. Traitors
Shimon ,   Louisville, USA   (12.12.06)
They accept money, do not serve Israel in any way, and now THIS infamy. They are fully deserving of expulsion from Israel. How can the government and people of Israel countenence their presence in Israel?
85. 77 Denial is a river in, well Egypt!
Talula ,   Israel   (12.12.06)
But enough about us, let's talk about Egypt. A country which is known as a transit country for women being transported from Eastern Europe to Europe for the purpose of sexual exploitation. Let's talk about the Egyptian children from rural areas who are trafficked inside Egypt to work as domestic servants, slaves or laborers. And guess what, surprise! surprise! Egypt denies all that as well! That's how the river in Egypt got it's name - DENIAL!
86. DRIVE THEM OUT!
Never Again ,   Israel   (12.12.06)
We must rid ourselves of these unwanted! They who would subvert our security from the inside cannot be trusted. If they won't emigrate peacefully, we must round them up and put them into camps - whatever it takes to keep Israel pure and secure!
87. TALULA Very funny
Bush ,   USA   (12.12.06)
88. #60 Israelit
Michael ,   Haifa   (12.12.06)
all my assumptions derive from a powerful sense of disgust towards Kyle and his opinions, even though i believe that he is an engineering student with A grades (so he once told me)...he just pisses me off
89. HIGHLY PAID BY PLO TERRORISTS - TRAITORS to the HUMAN RACE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (12.12.06)
In rebellion to the One great G-D of the Universe, Neturei Karta are liars and propagandists for global jihadists: http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/9_04/araf_ap17.htm
90. #4 Neturei Karta does enjoy exile
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because they already belive that it is anti-jewish to have a "jewish state". They believe that jews should accept the will of God and live in exile.
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