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UK newspaper: Jesus was a Palestinian
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 25.12.06, 21:23
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151. Israeli atrocity
Palestinian   (12.26.06)
No matter how longer it will be,the reality will finally be revealed and the history will say its worlds about your atrocity and oppression against the hopeless people of palestine.
152. iam
fatima ,   jerusalem   (12.26.06)
it is a fact , my name is fatima , my father is ahmad .my grand father is saleh / my mother is fawzeeya // iam moslem ,my language is araby / i was born in jerusalem /so my grandfather ..... now if islam was the first religion and judism is the last .. do you think my name would be shoshana . and my grand father would be kohen // and i would be in mekka / and i would own oil well ........ the fact still iam araby moslem from jerusalem .. the fact is wherever i want to go from jerusalem to visit my sister in alkhalil i will face a chek point .. may i will return . or i was killed .. like duaa in tolkarm last week .. or i lost a baby or i will stay in the checkpoint for 8 hour // do you know there is 400 or more than this ,, on the earth this earth is palastine and these people who are suffering are known palastinians most of them are moslems ..but sure there is palastinian christian .. which they are suffering also .. but the jews are not suffering from the check points .. these are the facts // and it is the aim of article
153. Sickening how the Brits are buying the Palestinian Arab lies
damian ,   usa   (12.26.06)
154. The name Jesus is Greek and not Hebrew
Michael ,   USA   (12.26.06)
How many Jews were identified by the Greek name 2000 years ago?
155. Say what?
Talula ,   Israel   (12.26.06)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! OH DO ME A FAVOUR!!!!!!!!!!!
156. Sorry Folks But Palestine Connects Back to Philistines
Fasulia Hudra   (12.26.06)
In any Semitic language word analysis begins with identifying the 3 letter root (rarely but sometimes 4 letter root) of the word and understanding the related letters and transformation amongst the various Semitic Languages. In this case the Hebrew root would be P L Sh. In Arabic the root is F L S Note that in Hebrew the P and F are the same letter distinguished by a dot (ie. dagesh) in the middle of the letter and this depends on surrounding letters and vowels. The S and Sh are transformational letters between Hebrew as in the Hebrew SHalom and Arabic Salaam. Now that we have the root it is fairly obvious that it connects to the Hebrew Plishtim or in English Philistines. The root of the word means "invaders". The Philitines were peoples mentioned in the book of Judges and were invaders that came from the sea. For further information of the origin of the word see the following: http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
157. The Palestinian Arabs create the best fairy tales
Don ,   USA   (12.26.06)
It is wonderful that they have such talents.
158. Ribi Yehoshua: Judean. Jesus: Palestinian
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.26.06)
Most of the Christian and Jewish postings are historically on the right track but lacking some documented facts for no other reason than it requires some serious study. The late Oxford historian, James Parkes, demonstrated (The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue) that the post-135 CE Jesus was the product of Roman Hellenist redactions, an anathema of the authentic 1st-century Jew from Natzrat (Nazareth), Ribi Yehoshua. (The term Ribi was unique to Pharisee Torah teachers ordained in the Holy Land during the time of the Beit ha-Miqdash, Hellenized to "Temple"). In their rewrite, the Hellenists Romanized the Jewish accounts into a man-god, which they also Romanized to "Jesus." This was an integral part of the Roman Hellenists' ethnic cleansing and rebuilding of Yerushalayim as Aelia Capitolina and Judea as Palestine. Thus, the post-135 CE Hellenist rewrite is a Hellenist counterfeit and myth. Check the dates of the thousands of NT redactions from the hard evidence of the earliest extant source mss. of the NT. Hellenism was -- is -- the polar-opposite of Torah (Orthodox Judaism): Torah versus antinomian displacement theology. As long as Christians hold that the NT displaces Torah it's displacement theology. Torah and the NT are intractably contradictory. Accordingly, the post-135 CE Hellenist "version," Jesus, is the polar opposite of, le-havdil, the 1st-century Ribi Yehoshua. Similarly, only the followers of the post-135 CE Hellenist "version," Jesus, were Christians. Prior to 135 CE there were no Christians; only Netzarim Pharisee Jews following a Pharisee Ribi who taught Torah. Aside from HEBREW (not Hellenist-Greek) Matityahu, the NT is a post-135 CE antinomian product of Hellenist Romans. As long as you persist on calling these two polar opposites the same thing, insurmountable contradictions are inherent and unavoidable. The surprising conclusion is that, in fact, although Ribi Yehoshua was a Galilean-Judean, his polar opposite, Jesus, was, indeed, a (post-135 CE) Palestinian and the first Christians were (post-135 CE) Palestinians. It's impossible to serve two polar-opposite teachers. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
159. #118 Libneniyyeh - Inta Mazbut Bas. You're Right But
Fasulia Hudra   (12.26.06)
Libneniyyeh, Inta Mazbut Bas. Technically you are correct. Unfortunately today radical Islam is hijacking Islam and perverting it. They encourage suicide which is against the Quran and brainwash people into believing many things that are clearly against the Quran. If instead of following radical imams Moslems would follow the true recognized Moslem scholars this would be a much safer world.
160. JESUS IS JEW
LIBANO ,   BEIRUT   (12.26.06)
JESUS WAS BORN JEW ,,DIED JEW,,,RESURECTED JEW.!PALESTINIANS CAME WITH MUSLIM INVASION,THEY KILLED CHRISTIANS ANS JEWS,,THEY SHOULD RETURN TO SAUDI ARABIA THEIR ORIGINAL LAND NOT ISRAEL,!!!
161. #89 Zionist commited no atrocities compared to PALs
Umm El Kul Naqba   (12.26.06)
For nearly 100 years the PALs engaged in attrocities against the Jews. Haj Amin Al Husseini collaborated with Hitler and shared his goal of annihilating the Jews. In 1936 there were the Hevron massacres and before than in 1921. We accepted partition and the Arab states repeatedly tried to destroy us and failed each time losing more and more. With the Intifadas we developed effective counter measure that thwarted most suicide bombings and terrorist attempts against us. The result is the FENCE, roadblocks and border crossings which successfully contain the terror in the PAL backyard as they constantly attempt to terrorize us. The bottom line is that they lost all credibility in the eyes of the world and are suffering as they justly deserve because of their constant terrorist attempts against us. And when they aren't killing us they are killing each other. Look at the killing of the Gaza security officers children, the shooting at Hanniyeh, the shooting at Al Zahars house, and on and on. That is all the PALs know how to do and they are now getting their just punishment. They started all terror and must be punished accordingly.
162. #111, Rothchild Father lived in a Frankfur Jewish ghetto, ..
AK   (12.26.06)
a walled ghetto where Jews, but not anybody else, had to live, and after he started his banking empire, his sons, born in a Frankfurt Jewish ghetto moved to and lived in various European states, so were was a British Rothschild, a French Rothschild, and so on. There were 4 or five sons. So, are you claiming that all those brothers were of different nationality? Jews are born in different land, but just Armenians born in different countries, they all know where they came from originally. Being a Jew is not only a question of religion, otherwise, the curious minds would be digging to find out who Kerry's grand-grandparents were. And why, if being Jewish is only a religion, you all insist on calling Marx a Jew, when he was baptized a Christian. BTW, Moses wasn't condemed to die not because he was an Egyptian infant, but a Hebrew/Jew, so it is sort of funny calling him an Egyptian. Jesus couldn't be a Palestinian by birth, because there was no such a place a Palestine at the time Jesus was born.
163. #116, No, but already claim that St. Nick comes from Turkey
AK   (12.26.06)
If they don't want to be that obvious then they write the he comes from what is now Turkey. Sort of true, but misleading as heck since St Nick had lived about 1100 years before Turks conquered Bizantium.
164. #154 Michael - Sorry but you are wrong
Fasulia Hudra   (12.26.06)
Jesus' name was Yeshu in Hebrew and comes from the root of "save". Like similar names such as Joseph they originally began with a Y sound. The equivalent letter in many European language is the letter J which is actually pronounced like an American Y (e.g. German, Polish, Russian, etc). When the names were brought to English the spelling remained pretty much the same but the phonetic sound of the J changed from the original Y sound to the American J sound. By the way when Jesus and Joseph went to Spanish it became Jesus (pronouced Ch'aysus) and Jose (Ch'osay). And while we are on the subject the Hebrew Mashi'ach becomes the English Messiah. However the literal meaning of the word is simply annointed from the ceremony where kings and high priests were annointed with oil. Any further messianic interpretations have been artificially added to the original word and are not connected to its original meaning.
165. #50 If Jesus arrived today...
linda   (12.26.06)
Muslims would shoot him, they believe mohammed was the last prophet and so they would never believe he was jesus. second i think it is sad the way muslims talk about the jew Jesus and history. I think Jesus does not like what he is happening today and would never agree with the killing and chaos made by pals. jesus was a man of speech and peace and not of murder and anger!!
166. Hey Libano in Beirut
Scott ,   Haifa   (12.26.06)
Good job, friend. May God bless you and bring peace to you (and to our region) speedily. Blessings to you in the new year. God's message to us this season, peace on earth, and good will toward man.
167. Independent article
Ferguson Matthews ,   UK   (12.26.06)
The ignorance here in the UK is awesome
168. So many ignorant people part II #154 +#142
Adam ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.26.06)
The name Jesus is what the Greeks called Yehoshua which was his name retard #154. To #142 'Galilean' is a geographic term. Ethnically the people of the Galilee were Israelites. They decended from the northern Israelite kingdom the capital of which was the city of Samaria. only 42,000 were deported from central Samaria at the kingdom's fall. Before it's fall however they started to practice Phoenician religion. The Hashmonae monarchy of Judea forcefully converted them back to the religious practises of two generations or so prior. They were Israelites/Jews not 'Galileans' from an ethnic/religious perspective.
169. What Fasulia (#156) Didn't Mention
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.26.06)
The Pelishtim ("Philistines") were, indeed, invading "Sea People" -- who predate Avraham and, therefore, the first Arab (whether Yishmaeil or Eisau, both sons of Avraham). They settled Azah (Gaza) before Avraham, and the first Arab who was one of his sons, was born. These invader "Sea People" established colonies called Pilos, named after their hometown in Mycenae, Greece, not only in what is today Azah, but also a colony called Pilos in the far northwest corner of the Sinai adjacent to the Egyptian Delta and colonies in what is today Lebanon. These "Sea Peoples" came from Pilos in Mycenae, Greece. Thus, the Philistines were Greeks, not Arabs. Thus, modern inhabitants of this land must come clean and tells us: are you Arabs or Greek-Palestinians? If Arabs, then you are NOT at all connected to the ancient Philistines or Palestine. If Greeks, then you have no connection to Avraham. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
170. To #41 'Dude'
Adam ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.26.06)
The Muslims called the land 'Filastin' for about two hundred years. The name was a continuation of the roman Palestina provincial name. It corresponded to Palestina Prima whereas Palestina Secunda was Urdun. Since then it was refered to as 'Balad Al Shams' That is Palestine&Syria as one 'country'. The Muslims also referred to Jerusalem as 'Illya' for those two hundred years that they called it Filastin. Illya bing Aelia that the Romans renamed Jerusalem.
171. ROTFL
Yanshof 25   (12.26.06)
laughing my ass off...:D
172. Holocaust denial
Tarek ,   Boston, MA   (12.26.06)
It is fascinating to me that at a time when the world is criticizing Iran for its holocaust denial conference, many people on this site will gladly join in denying Palestinians their history. For example, one person claimed that no Arabs in Palestine called themselves Palestinians before 1960. How to explain, then, the newspaper Al Filastin, founded in 1911? Read the book Palestinian Identity by Rashid Khalidi. As for the claim that there were no Arabs in Palestine before Zionism, the factual record on this matter is not in dispute. Indeed, almost every history of the modern Middle East refers to Justin McCarthy's demographic study on Palestine, which noted that Arabs were 90% of the population of Palestine one hundred years ago. (This study is literally cited in almost every history book). The claim that the land was "underpopulated" before its conquest is predictably banal. In the US, for instance, European settlers commonly claimed that North America was underpopulated; Dutch settlers made the same claim about South Africa, even Hitler commonly referred to Eastern Europe as a wasteland which was held together only by pockets of Germanic civilization. Every power in history has made this same claim, so it is not surprising that Zionists also claim the land was empty. Whatever one's political persuasion, denying the very existence of the Palestinian people is equally insidious and small minded as holocaust denial.
173. Interestingly. The name Philistine means INVADER
Adam ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.26.06)
Oh won't you give the INVADERS back their land? Interesting name they STOLE for themselves these 'Palestinians' but very very fitting.
174. To number 169, there is a difference between Arabs /Arabians
Observer   (12.26.06)
The Canaanites are originally from the Arabian Peninsula. Do not forget that. Avraham is the father of Ishmael, the grand grand father of Muhammad. Now, Muhammad is therefore belong to the Arab Mustaarebah. That is Arabized Arabs. In the Arabic culture, there are two Arabs, those who inhabited the Arabian peninsula before Avraham. And those who decend from Ishmael. Arabs mention that Canaanites were Arabs, and that Palestine is Arabic even before Avraham... See this for example! http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_30.shtml
175. to number 169 again
Observer   (12.26.06)
Bernard Lewis mentions in his book The Arabs in History: "According to this, Arabia was originally a land of great fertility and the first home of the Semitic peoples. Through the millennia it has been undergoing a process of steady desiccation, a drying up of wealth and waterways and a spread of the desert at the expense of the cultivable land. The declining productivity of the peninsula, together with the increase in the number of the inhabitants, led to a series of crises of overpopulation and consequently to a recurring cycle of invasions of the neighbouring countries by the Semitic peoples of the peninsula. It was these crises that carried the Assyrians, Aramaeans, Canaanites, and finally the Arabs themselves into the Fertile Crescent."[2]
176. Fasulia (#164): Pseudo-Linguistic Nonsense
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.26.06)
"Yeshu" is the abbreviation for "yiMAKH shemO ve-zikhRO" (may his name and memory be blotted out), NOT the name of Jesus. Your pseudo-linguistic explanation is nonsense. The transition from the Hebrew name, Yehoshua, to, le-havdil, the Hellenist Greek Iesous (contradicting Greek rules of grammar to support Roman myth) to the English Jesus has long been published and no scholar has succeeded in mounting any credible dispute (see "Iesous" in the "History Museum" of our website, URL below). Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
177. and now for the Coup De Gras
Yisraeli   (12.26.06)
Understand from whence the word Palastine came from. As has been mentioned Judea renamed by the Romans around 135CE to obliterate any Jewish connection to Judea after the Jewish revolt. Though they forgot to change the word Jew or Yahud (later on at least) for Jew is a Ju-dean from Judea or Judah, Yahudah Now back to this word Palastine. Named by the Romans of Israels arch enemy the Philistines. The word Philistine is mentioned many times in the Hebrew Bible. Now the Hebrew term for Philistine is Plishtim as in the Bible if you can read Hebrew. Now the coup de gras what do you think Plishtim means in Hebrew? Bet you dont know as most, Plishtim means "INVADERS" Those that invaded the coastal region namely Phoenicians. Now back to today those who call themselves Palestinians are true to their name! They are indeed INVADERS only from Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Lebenon, Egypt etc. Most of them arrived in the region barely within the last 100 years to capitalise on the Jewish growth and economy of the area. Thats not to say there were not some families who were indiginous to the area for far longer. Furthermore the barbaric behaviour of these so called palestinian arabs are more akin to another named Amalek. So beware for Israel will one day react and do to todays Amalek as they were once in history commanded too. And as far as the UK is concerned nothing would be more poetic justice then when they are over-run by muslims and become part of theyre European caliphate. But the Brits wont allow that, they will throw theyre political correctness out the window and slaughter and deport the muslims before they can turn it into a caliphate. Arabs and muslims stop your lying that comes oh so easy to you. History is there inspite of what fantasy you are trying to prove as fact. And yes one day the Jewish Temple will be rebuilt on the Temple Mount and the mosques will go or be destroyed. Tachi Am Yisrael, admat Eretz Yisrael U'Malchute'hah.
178. Jesus DEFINITELY a JEW
Julian Manole ,   Melbourne, Australia   (12.26.06)
Jesus last words before dying were: "Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing." This sounds more like the words of a Jew than a "Palestinian". He also said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" fulfilling the prophesy of Isaiah 53. He didn't say this in arabic, so again this makes him a Jew. But the biggest proof remains that there would not be any way a Jew of his time would accept him as the Messiah unless he could prove for a fact he was from the lineage of King David. This could have been proven as it happened before the destruction of the temple. Which now makes it impossible for anyone to prove he is a Jew, a direct descendant from the lineage of King David without which no one can be accepted as the Jewish Messiah. So if you know of any descendants living today that can prove they are from King David's lineage let me know.
179. Jesus under OCCUPATION
Sabra   (12.26.06)
Marie came from Nazareth ..it was the occupaier order ...the she fled Bethlehem to protect her child from Herodos who killed all the kids of Bethlehem under 2 years ...so Jesus and familly lived the fier of occupation and not the proudness of a concerer ...the militery victory...he lived the humiliation and the insecuruty of living under occupation
180. Jesus
ken ,   australia   (12.26.06)
Does it realy matter what nationality he was, A Rose by any other name, is still a Rose, or is that over the heads of some people
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