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On tape: Palestinians harassed in Hebron ‘cage’
Ali Waked
Published: 10.01.07, 00:17
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31. #21 Jamal Aboud, I agree
Daniel van Dalen ,   Jerusalem   (01.10.07)
Indeed they disgrace us, the Jewish people. And therefore let me tell you that I condemn such behavior in the strongest possible terms. All that, of course, provided that it is true. It is still Ynetnews, which is not known to be very neutral regarding anything related to religious Jews or settlers.
32. RECLAIMER SCREAMS AT OCCUPIER
Herut Zion ,   UK   (01.10.07)
33. Don't Jump To Conclusions
Terry ,   Eilat - Israel   (01.10.07)
None of us has any way of judging the report. It could be true, part true, media manipulation, etc. This would certainly not be the first time the media is used to spread propaganda from various peace groups. And, it might also be true & that this particular person was abusive. But, we don't really know. So, calm down, take the story for what it's worth, & don't jump to unfounded conclusions.
34. Bastards settlers, this is
truth   (01.10.07)
nothing compared to what the palestinians suffer from these ugly settlers every day under the protection of attrocities of soldiers who are settlers too. World does not know even half of the truth
35. Yisreali (#29) - You just shot yourself in the foot
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.10.07)
Are you trying to represent that the Jews in Khevron can't afford a video camera? Or that Arab harassment doesn't exist? One can only conclude that Jews in Khevron don't want the full story made public. This corroborates my personal experience. One day, while serving miluim in a moshav that was deeply in debt to the bank, I went to the moshav store - in civilian clothes - to buy some groceries. (It ain't the American Air Force. Provisions don't always arrive.) One of the "settlers" whom I was protecting at night mistook me for a banker that he thought was about to repossess some of the moshav-owned cars -- and he grabbed my holstered 9mm, trying to wrest it from me. That's felonious assault and battery. I was stunned that a fellow Jew would try to jump my gun. Barukh ha-Sheim, I'm also a black belt and his attempt was, uh, unsuccessful. When I filed assault and battery charges, however, the moshav mayor -- who doubled as the "base commander" -- refused to prosecute. That wasn't the only personal incident or moshav. Another time, while guarding the front gate of the area school with several other soldiers, I noticed a small pick-up racing at the gate we were guarding. When the other soldiers dived for the safety of the ditch on both sides of the gate, I moved to the center of the road and drew my 9mm. (I forgot the Uzi hanging around my neck. It didn't work some of the time and I didn't trust it anyway.) I was squeezing off a round when the driver finally hit the brakes. The front bumper of the pick-up was actually against my leg when it finally stopped and I eased off the trigger. The hammer was about to drop when the driver hit the brakes. It turned out to be some smart-assed Jewish "settler" who thought he was Rambo and would show the stupid soldiers who was boss in that area. I filed charges of aggravated assault and battery with a deadly weapon. Not a petty thing. The regional "settler" head -- who doubled as the regional commander -- refused to file charges. Don't tell me how "righteous" the "settlers" are. And don't tell me that's not ALL of the settlers. Those who passively do nothing support them every bit as much as supporters of terrorists are complicit in terrorism. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
36. Terry (#33): R U lawyer, police, judge or video expert?
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.10.07)
For you to assert that, because you have no way of judging the report, then no one else does either is wrong - and arrogant. (How could someone else know more about that than you?) Since I'm trained as a police officer and produce videos you should at least know more about these areas than me before dismissing the evidence. Beyond that, you'll have to demonstrate at least plausible fraudulence in the video as a lawyer, judge or video expert. Otherwise, your plea to dismiss the evidence is irresponsible and unjust. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
37. Ramallah Lynching video was .....
Levi ,   The Hague Holland   (01.10.07)
more shocking...!!!
38. #19 Golani Sholanu
Ben Temalion ,   Shiloh, MO USA   (01.10.07)
I would say more about the lack of cease fire and need for surrender but I am censored on multiple postings. It is pikuach nefesh to protectect the land that saves those who love the land. And may those who come to kill you have their right of return to their homicidal hamite penisular homeland of their own name. Talk about unilateral action? This is war yet you are satisfied with "cease fires" not. Surrender is the only way to go and return the favor of wht they do to your Jews in the lands they have imperialized with their message of love by the sword.
39. Hebron/Btselem
Mary ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (01.10.07)
excuse me??? Btselem's mandate is the documentation of Human Rights violations in the Occupied territories. You will find (if you bother to look at their website) that they DO report on violations against settlers as well. Alas, these are very, very few, especially when compared to what the IDF and the Settlers are doing against the Palestinians. Please look for yourself: www.btselem.org.il
40. Comedy hour
yaakov ,   Jerusalem   (01.10.07)
I thought ynets article was amusing enough, 3 sheep given to the ishmaelites by thr red cross...lol, but then I read paqids responses, now that really funny, halakaha for non-jews, lol, and daniel you have no clue but still very amusing, cry me a river over the ishmaelites who occupy our holy city........... COMEDY CENTRAL
41. Paqid Netzarim #35
Yisraeli   (01.10.07)
I prepared a whole response to you on your comical response but then thought to check your website and as I thought a christian missionary of sorts are you. You may deceive plenty dumb israelis who know nothing about theyre faith calling yourself an orthodox Jew, but you dont fool me. You accept Ribi Y'hoshua (Jesus) as the Mashiach. Full stop. and you dare to lecture me against the true loyal Jews of our people the mitnachalim and you dare compare supporting them as those who support terrorists. I have nothing more to say to you.
42. This is true
Conrad Wolf ,   London, UK   (01.10.07)
I have seen hours of video footage of palestian families being harrassed on a daily basis by settlers, peace activists (including of course many israelis) are insulted as nazis, stones are thrown at them from settler's children. They throw their rubbish into palestinian gardens, cut down their olive trees. It is very nasty if their children are unable to even go to school without being spat at and insulted. Of course Israeli citizens and jewish people are often victims of antisemitism and terrorism but I frankly don't understand the sympathy towards the settlers if they spray the star of david on the doors of palestian homes instead of a swastikas and write underneath "kill arabs". There is no excuse for such a thing.
43. and by the way
Konrad Grosz ,   London. UK   (01.10.07)
and by the way the Israeli police just stands by, they actually fear the settlers and don't do anything for the people that are attacked
44. settlers
fish ,   t-a   (01.10.07)
only one question if i may - how many setlers have been killed by palestinians in drive-by shooting, attacks in their homes, etc?How many Israelis have been killed by Pal-s since Oslo-shmoslo?I, a liberal, open-minded, gentle person, with a human profession ( a teacher), absolutely refuse to feel any sympathy for the people who kill us indiscriminately and are proud of this. Israelis don't take any pride inkilling pal-s as it's self-defence only, and a very meek self-defence i have to add.Hear, Pal-s? I won't cry over your problems, I have my own family, my Israeli compatriots to sympathize with.
45. Paqid
Ron ,   LA   (01.10.07)
Looks like it is very important to you to mention that you are an " Israeli orthodox Jew" This of course is nonsense. A person who believes in Jesus called Christian. Of course there is nothing wrong with people who call themselves Christians. The problem begins when a person deceives a Jew to abandon his faith, claiming he "helps" him to see the " truth". Paqid, be proud of who you are - a Christian.
46. It's true
eli ,   switzerland   (01.11.07)
Most people in the Talk back obviously d'ont know the horrible reallty in Hebron. I lived there for months. Just read the statements in www.breakingthesilence.org.il. Or better: Go and visit Hebron with the former soldier yehuda. You'll find his adress on the website. eli
47. Psychotic Behavior
Rocco ,   L.A. USA   (01.11.07)
What is wrong with you people? You get more and more pyschotic and the Israeli public says nothing anymore! What happened to all the Israeli protests of the 1980's and 90's? You people are making the whole world dangerous. You are starting WW3. Iran DOESN'T HAVE NUKES!. The inspectors are there and have been for years. Your country has lied about it's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons for decades. You put a guy in jail for 19 years simply because he told the world. I think your government must have put Prozac in Israel and the USA's water.
48. Out of context
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Shomron   (01.11.07)
These videos are completly out of context. It is incredible that the press and peretz buys them. Or is it? Naa, perhaps it is good for them, like the arab government minister.. fools!
49. You all lie
Guy From NYC ,   NYC, USA, NY   (01.11.07)
You wonder why people make up conspiracies about you? You all lie for one another and its absolutely disgusting. The majorites aren't even conspiracy theories but to discredit people you use that as a defense. These videos show exactly the way arabs are treated in israel. Your embarrassement or lack of compassion causes you to deny it even when its in front of your face. Pitiful the majority of you to even think of denying this. What goes around will come around. Keep denying it and it will never stop.
50. 41-Yisrali- B"H the catch of paqid the missionary
Ben Temalion ,   Shiloh, MO USA   (01.11.07)
Book'm Danno
51. When did cursing out a neighbor become a war crime?
Beth Landau ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.11.07)
52. she is an illegal settler
zita ,   Europe   (01.11.07)
because she is one. ILLEGAL ISRAELI SETTLER transferred to other people's land by Israeli government in violation of geneva conventions. Native Jewish population in Palestine don't harrass the Palestinians, but live together with them in peace and harmony. Israeli settlers are the problem, and it has nothing to do with Judaism.
53. Thanks Kyle...
Andy   (01.11.07)
... and a fair bunch of the rest of your fellow north Americans :-) Your head-in-the-sand talk backs make my day; you must truly be totally unaware of what's going on. There's no way you can possibly pretend the ignorance you're continusly showing. Keep it up!
54. Ignoring Obvious Restrictions & Power Dynamics
Sanaz ,   USA   (01.11.07)
Simply reducing this video and incident to an argument between neighbors completely ignores the horrendous restrictions and conditions under which Palestinians in Hebron are forced to live, and the fact that there are military forces stationed in Hebron for the sole purpose of blindly protecting illegal settlements. I am not even mentioning other benefits illegal settlers receive in Hebron including unlimited access to resources and "Jewish Only" areas. Please research previous historical precedents of ghetto-ization and apartheid and notice the similarities.
55. "Settlers"
Avraham ,   NYC   (01.12.07)
These are Jews, not settlers in the negative sense you're using that word. Hebron is one of the three places about which our tradition says non-Jews can never dispute the legitimacy of their acquisition (along with the site of the Temple Mount and the Tomb of Yosef). Hebron is the first capital of the Jewish people where King David reigned his first seven years. Hebron is where all of our Patriarchs and most of our Matriarchs are buried. Hebron had a thriving Jewish community before the State came into existence only to be savagely attacked by Arabs in 1929. Jews who have come back to Hebron are reclaiming their heritage, and Hebron will stay Jewish forever.
56. Aparthied?
OS ,   Queens, NYC   (01.13.07)
Is it apartheid when the police chooses to protect some but not others based on criteria such as color or religion? International law doesn't allow you to go into someone's back yard and take their land by force. Israel has long violated international law by refusing to return lands it had seized through war. If justice is to prevail, this will change.
57. Who are You really #26 & #35
Neshama ,   Netanya,Israel   (01.14.07)
Please tell everyone who you really are... a goy who says he's a convert to Orthodox Judaism... you are a sheker... you are a Messianic Jew who beleives in Yashcha! So you also hate settlers, you don't count, you phony goy. I have seen the website that you have, bottom line is you aren't a Jew you are an Xtian in Jewish disguise. Now that is disgusting.
58. To # 55
Keren ,   Brentwood CA   (01.14.07)
Amein v'amein! Chazak v'amatz! Am Yisrael Chai!
59. should have gave the jews germany
combat medic ,   dexheim germany   (01.15.07)
regardless of the reason...it was uncalled for. these people are settlers, which means they are living on somebody else's land. am i alone on this? israel is a country that was drawn on the map after the holocaust because the us felt "so bad" for letting it go on so long. never mind the civil rights violations of people in our own country. in my opinion, they should have gave the jews germany!!!
60. #59, It's a little late to 'Give Jews Germany' Einstein!!!!!
Beth Landau ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.16.07)
Your people should have thought of that 69 years ago before butchering 6 million Jews. Thanks for the 'generous' offer, but we are doing just fine in our ancient homeland of Israel. If you can honestly compare a Jewish settler screaming at her neighbor to your country's atrocities, you are either mentally disturbed or have learned nothing from the Holocaust.
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