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Germany: Sharp rise in Muslim converts
Eldad Beck
Published: 18.01.07, 09:05
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1. converts
Moshe ,   Israel   (01.18.07)
Why don't they rather convert to Judaism. It has "clear values and decrees" that are more sensible, and expect you to blow yourself up.
2. If they are mainly women married to men
Suzanne   (01.18.07)
it is not because of islams clear values and decrees, but because of their husband. If you cannot marry your husband because he is of another religion and he or his family wants you to become muslim, you convert. It is sad that this happens, as these are not honest conversions.
3. I invite our jewish brothers and sisters to consider Islam
Alqassam ,   Gaza   (01.18.07)
The most blasphemous lie out there is that Islam spread by the sword. Yet, has anyone ever heard that Indonesia, currently the country with the highest muslim population in the world, was ever conquered and its citizens coerced into Islam??? Know your history. I ask you to use your intellect and your minds and study Islam aside from all the bias and garbage CNN and Fox News tells you. Reflect on the scientific miracles in the Quran, which accurately describe phenomena in every scientific field out there, from the stages of embryo development, to the 'expansion' of the universe, as stated in the quran, and currently known as the Big bang theory. (Read "The Bible, the Quran and science, by Maurice Baucaille, a non-muslim, and you will be astonished by the results"). Could an illiterate man in the 7th century (prophet Muhammad) ? did he a PhD in astronomy, embryology, geology all at once??? No man's life in history was as documented as the prophet's. Study it using a reliable source. We respect and are commanded to believe in all other prophets, like Moses, Jesus, Joseph, Abraham, peace be upon them all. We dont reject what came before Islam. But Islam is the final comprehensive, encompassing religion of God. Islam is a way of life, encompassing all aspects of life. Its not simply remembering God on saturday or sunday. The prophet discussed economics, social justice, politics, seeking knowledge, detailed etiquettes in everything, from eating to sneezing, concrete moral guidelines. Watch the documentary on video google: Islam: empire of faith, and you'll be amazed at muslim's contribution to civilization. I hope the sons of Israel will engage in a fruitful discussion and dialogue with us. You guys are a smart bunch, and I hope you'll give Islam a fair analysis.
4. IN USA MANY MUSLIMS CONVERT TO CHIRISTIAN AND JUDAISM
REUVEN ,   USA   (01.18.07)
THE REASON FOR IT IS THE NASTY THINGS THE LEARN ABOUT ISLAM AND THE KILLING ALL OVER THE WORLD BY MUSLIMS.
5. Conversions
John ,   Amsterdam   (01.18.07)
B"H Indeed, a lot of non-honest conversions. Also here in the Netherlands. Many converts leave Islam within months, due to lach of sinceriy towards Islam and due to the negative sites it brings. It's so easy to convert. Even some kids of 12 convert :S If I want to become muslim tomorrow (NOT GONNA HAPPEN), it's possible, bit too easy if you ask me. Would rather hear about more converts to Judaism. Greetz
6. Power to Islam--It's the true path
Islam 4 Ever ,   Muslim World   (01.18.07)
Those who convert to Islam from their own religions have found the true path...Islam will prevail in the world and it will become a better and peaceful world.
7. # 3
martin ,   stvenage uk   (01.18.07)
thanks for the invited - i reject it thank you. since when does islam accept monkeys and pigs to become moslems? in anycase, you seem to be intelligent, decent as well, you're good enough to convertto judaism. Don't tell your buddies of course, they might want to slaughter you for your act. give it a try. nice to be on the winning side and why do i need a prophet to speak directly with the almighty?
8. From extremism to extremism
hezy ,   jerusalem   (01.18.07)
From secular matererialistic extremism to fundamentalist extremism. German fanaticism endangers the world.
9. To all Muslims: read this!
Amazed at #3 ,   Tel Aviv   (01.18.07)
To all those who are confused with Islam, read this article by (finally!) an Islamic scholar who thinks (heavens forbid!) that Islam needs to be changed... He is not the only one, but one of the only ones not afraid to talk. http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2007/jan/g4.htm
10. Good preparation for the future
Jonathan S ,   Frankfurt, Germany   (01.18.07)
Given the demographic situation and their traditional dislike of children, Germans are doing well preparing for the unavoidable. Already today, there are schools in Berlin with not a single German pupil. France, Germany and finally all of Europe will become Muslim. The converts show that they understand the ticking of the doomsday clock.
11. Dear Alquassam #3
Jul   (01.18.07)
Instead of preaching , why don't you tell your Islamic brothers to learn a bit of Hebrew and read the Torah?
12. Daaaaa it is not only Germany
Ali ,   Canada   (01.18.07)
I converted to Islam 3 years ago I I was an aethiest) and two of my frirends ( Christians). My conversion came as a result of deep research and understanding of the values and beliefs. Although most of the muslims around the world are not presenting the right Islam but if you are interested in learning the real Islam then you need to stop listening to the propoganda against Islam. FYI, I have studied Judiasim deeply as I did for Christianity. This was done upon the request of a muslim scholar. He asked me not to convert to Islam before knowing and understanding the other beleifs and I actually did by talking to Jewish scholars. I can see from your comments that you guys don't even accept the idea. This shows one thing: You are not a strong beleiver and you are ignorant. If you want to test your beleif, open your eyes, stop being ignorant and invesitgate and you will reach the truth. A simple investigation will show you the Islam values and how this religion has been preserved since God sent it to humans unlike other religions. May Allah Bless you and open your eyes and souls.
13. Better to become jewish
Convert to Judaism ,   Amsterdam, Holland   (01.18.07)
Be clever Islam is a combination of paganism, Christianity and Judaism. Christianity is a combination of paganism and Judaism So why not choose the original like I did. Without Judaism there wouldn't be Christianity or Islam. So if you want to find G-d choose Judaism.
14. Why I will never convert to Islam
Giles ,   Tel Aviv   (01.18.07)
I'm so proud to be Jewish. What a great and fine culture we have and what an incredible contribution our little group has made to the world. Islam has done nothing for hundreds of years wallowing in a spiral of political and militant aggression as it seeks to dominate and commit murder in a sea of blood. True Islam is not such a bad religion but what it has become has taken over it and will be its downfall just the Crusaders and Christianity rose and fell before it. There is only one G-d and his name is Elohim. Am Yisrael Chai!
15. to 6 you are wrong-israel will prevail.
megi ,   london   (01.18.07)
hitler himself said that islam was a great religion. well you deserve each other! the dark forces of this world will go down together and thats the way it will be. izikiel 38-39.
16. 80 Million Germans converted to Nazism in 30s-5000is peanuts
Alan ,   SA   (01.18.07)
17. it doesnt put the terrorism and the fights into a right plac
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   Istanbul   (01.18.07)
I hate CONVERTING. I hate who tries to convert others into their believe. But, I respect who makes his/her own decision with his heart into anything. Is it healty thing to chose some other thing into your life when you are an adult ? Let doctors handle this. I always stay out to talk about my religion. and I never talk about it unless I am asked by others for it. Lets not be cheap human. Lets understand that all religions (the Three) come from same word. if you are good with your one, it means you okey to me. but with middle way. radicals out. muslim radicals OUT jews radicals OUT christians radicals OUT SO, BE FREE MY FRIENDS. THE GOD IS THE MASTER TEACHER. HE KNOWS BETTER. LETS TRUST IN HIM. LETS SMILE IN HIM. LETS SHARE IN HIM. WE CAN CRY IN HIM ALSO. AS WE USED TO CRY IN THE ARMS OF OUR MOTHERS. lets love eachother in him. just come on. look, little cry on my eyes now. just lets stau out of politics. hey :))) The God has all colors. we love him, he loves us. how can such a great creator not love us. He is okey. Trust me. But we got to love eachother first. dont afraid of him. HIS LOVE MUCH STRONGER THAN HIS PUNISHMENT. He forgivesss, He helpssss. Lets not make him ANGRY on me. I have enough problems :)) I just cant fight to THE SKIES, I have no time :)))) sure its joke. me no stupid. joke is from THE SKIES. did I say I love you ? shut-uppppppp Atillaaaaaaa :)
18. Of course it's happening in Germany
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (01.18.07)
It fits well with the upsurge in Neo Naziism.
19. #1 Why? Because Jews are hostile towards converts...
Jonas ,   SAD   (01.18.07)
I know few converts to Judaism and all of them are complaining that they are treated with disbelief and extreme causion. That they still do not feel themselves part of kehilah. They are also very furious cause people around them in kehilah treat born Jews better (although in many cases they do not even keep kosher or come to temple, the only difference is that they are BORN Jews) then they. I know, it is not according to hallaha, but it is reality - yes, the law is that you must accept convert as he is forever been Jew, but in reality, that is, as far as I know, very rare.
20. # 3 Tree and its fruits
Josef ,   Finland   (01.18.07)
You recognize the tree out of its fruits: there is nowhere in islamic soil a functioning democracy. Wherever there are Muslims, there are severe violence related problems: Philippines (rebelling south), Indonesia (against local Christians and Chinese) Thailand (rebelling south), India, France and some other EU-states, Israel...to name a few. It's forbidden to turn away from Islam - under a threat of death. Islam strives for world dominance, the core of its doctrine: the world in two parts, dar al-islam (already under Islam) and dar al-harb (area of war, to become under Islam).
21. number 3
Ron ,   Lebanon   (01.18.07)
I invite you and all the jewish people participating in this talkback to come to beirut to see the real value of the sons of islam in their tents downtown beirut. Ur book might be good, I can't tell, but let's assume it is, do u think u are giving people the chance to appreciate it with the way u apply it? think twice and let me know. People like u are 2% of muslims world wide.
22. to #7
godfearing human lov ,   victorville,ca   (01.18.07)
dear brother do not forget adam ,noha, lut , moses , david ,jacob,joseph,jesus and prophet mohmad ( s.a )they all came with the same massage love the fellow human and pray to allah or god or any name you chose for him.and and allah told us through angel gabriel to prophet mohmmad and is written in quran that we should love all the people of the book which mean jews ,christian and the book is torah(torait) in quran and bible(ingele) in quran .we can marry with them .and the people without book we should guide them to his path so they can avoid the hell fire.all the prophet from adam to moses to jesus to prophet mohmmad they all the same in quran except jesus which quran called spirit of god or rooh-ul-allah and according to quran still alive and will come back to earth to make peace .god bless
23. Reasons for Conversions to Islam
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.18.07)
When I, as a former Baptist preacher, discovered that Christianity was riddled with intractable factual historical misrepresentations and inherent contradictions, careful to avoid adopting yet another false religion, I considered Islam as well as Torah. I can speak as someone who was open to whichever proved true. For western societies fed up with corrupt and hypocritical governments and institutions, distant from and entirely out of touch with the populace and insensitive to their aspirations, Islam offers an avenue of rebellion that, for icing on the rebel's cake, gives some appearances of being in ascendance; in contrast with Christianity, which is increasingly recognized as descending in decadence. For primarily Christian societies fed up with their own religion that, increasingly, stands for nothing but hedonism, Islam also offers a religion that stands for fixed values. With great justification, Judaism is (wrongly, but understandably) seen as a mixture of primitive legends and medieval superstitions -- an image for which the rabbis are responsible. Judaism hemorrhages 98% of Jews. To suggest that Judaism offers a serious alternative for Christians or Muslims who discover that their religion is riddled with logical contradictions is laughable. To become a serious and viable alternative to Christianity or Islam, Judaism must first undergo a revolution, rejecting fables and superstitions in order to reorient to Torah as interpreted according to logical (including scientific) Halakhah. The problem with Christianity is that it is a displacement theology, intractably contradicting Moses (Torah) and it is easily demonstrated (from the absolute consistency of all evidence in the universe) that the Singularity-Creator cannot contradict Himself or change. Christianity states that "Jesus" superseded the OT, contradicting Moses. (If "Jesus" doesn't supersede the OT, then the OT invalidates "Jesus" and Christianity -- and "Jesus" is a false prophet.) However, Islam is a second order displacement theology, claiming to displace both: Judaism and Christianity. Islam asserts that Muhammed supersedes not only the OT, but NT as well. However, if Muhammed doesn't supersede the OT, then the OT invalidates Muhammed and Islam. In other words, If Islam accepts Moses as a prophet then Moses defined criteria by which Islam is defined as a false religion and Muhammed as a false prophet. But Muslims are entirely ignorant of this intractable contradiction. In short, Islam is a religion offering a remedy to Christian hedonism that can appeal to those who rebel against "the system," but is a religion that, like Christianity, depends on ignorance to exist. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
24. They convert becos
john ,   nz   (01.18.07)
They want 4 wives 72 virgins and legally abuse their women
25. # 19 Is It?
Roosje ,   Holland   (01.18.07)
Jonas, where i come from a convert is somebody who keeps the halacha attends shiurim and is well respected in the kehilah for his great selfsacrifice to belong to the Jewish Nation...
26. atheism
tony ,   beirut   (01.18.07)
how about atheism? All 3 monotheistic religions are full of crap!
27. oi veh my head hurts...
Harry Goldfarb ,   South Tel Aviv   (01.18.07)
i think i'll go and have a nice ly down.
28. Why Germans try to convert to *anything* other than German
iandl ,   Europe   (01.18.07)
There are many Germans who are so ashamed of their past, that they'll try to find anything other than Germanness to identify with. It doesn't really matter what. Many, we are talking probably of hundreds per year, approach the Jewish community and are in general rejected. Islam is probably the next best thing: exotic enough and less demanding than Judaism, besides, one doesn't have to make oneself the target of anti-semitism. Quite a few of these converts though are probably just trying to find a way to become victims, which Muslims are perceived to be at the moment. Others may well find a subliminal confirmation of their own anti-semitism continued in Islamic anti-Zionism, and still being able to disassociate themselves from Germany's past. Why a sudden jump in numbers? Probably because the more educated are now looking at what Islam involves, now they feel they have "dealt with" their anti-semitism (the peak of Philosemitism was in the late 1980's). The less educated generally don't bother themselves with such questions ... unreconstructed anti-semitism or Islamophobia does them fine ...
29. Islam marketed in the West.
Ali ,   Australia   (01.18.07)
Islam marketed in the West and Australia is wrapped in glittery 'wrappers' to attract converts. Life as a Muslim in a country where Islam is the state religion is equally attractive, but only to Muslims. Muslims will enjoy excellent career opportunities, free and fully sponsored overseas education, opportunity to acquire properties and stockmarket shares at discounted rates, assured of excellent carreers in business and politics (in closed negotiated deals with government sponsored businesses and under very heavily 'gerry-mandered' political boundaries - unfair electoral boundaries created to keep a group in power through corrupt means). All these, at the expense of non-Muslims who although may be far better qualified, but are restricted from excelling in their talents and ablities (that may help to enhance the country). They are required to pay for a decent education. They pay more for property, businesses and stockmarket shares and their businesses are barred from the lucrative government sponsored contracts. German converts to Islam are always welcomed (and they should take the opportunity to experience life in these Muslim countries ( in which the the quality of living is not anywhere close the any western nation but nonetheless), where they can enjoy previleges and blessings unheard of in their native country, at the expense of the poor Non-Muslims who are constantly exploited, bullied, suppressed, threatened, heavily taxed, extorted and made to pay for the previleges that they (new converts) and their fellow Muslims can enjoy. Salam and welcome to the country ruled by your fellow believers and enjoy the previleges and blessings of being one of us (at the expense of those kafirs).
30. Welcome to the fraternity
Ali ,   Australia   (01.18.07)
These new converts will are welcomed in Muslim countries where they can enjoy previleges they will never experince in their native countries. For starters, they (and their Muslim children) will enjoy free elite school and fully government sponsored overseas education with generous allowances, affording very comfortable living as students. They will be given preference (over non-Muslims) to pursue the tertiary course of their choice. They will be given every opportunity to graduate in flying colors (lecturers will assist even to the extent of predetermining or doctoring their final results.) Upon graduation, they will be guaranteed and excellent carreer path in a government or semi-government department, excellent salaries guaranteed for Muslims only. Should they wish to venture into business, interest free government loans are available for Muslims upon request. Lucrative government contracts are available for Muslim-only businesses. They can build their property and stock portfolio buy purchasing properties and stockmarket at discounted Muslims-only rate. Should they wish to enter politics, they are welcomed in a electoral system with heavily gerry-mandered boundaries - a system to benefit a previleged group. Their (Muslim) party is assured landslide successes with minimal votes. How is all these paid for? 1. Tax the kafirs till their can bleed no more. 2. Make the kafirs work for nothing. 3. Ensure no lucrative contracts go to kafir businesses. 4. Make the kafir pay for everthing - education, property etc 5. Carreer appointments are made based on religion and political ideology and not on merit. It does not matter if the country falls backwards as long as we are better-off than the kafirs. 6. Extort the kafirs whenever there is opportunity. It is not a sin to exploit kafirs for they are meant to serve us. 6. Kafirs cannot sue a Muslim without a Muslim witness. 7. Finally, but not least keep the kafirs constant suppressed by keeping all weapons and ammunition only in our hands and impose the death penalty on any kafirs found with any firearms. To the new German Muslims, Salam and welcome to the land ruled by your fellow believers where you can enjoy the previleges and blessings for sharing a common belief.
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