Opinion  Guy Bechor
Warning bells in Britain
Guy Bechor
Published: 01.02.07, 21:09
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1. Liberalism is gonna prevail, you'll see
Cameron ,   USA   (02.01.07)
that, or they'll turn England into the same kind of wretched, poverty-stricken cr*pcan their parents ran away from
2. Those who have a view contrary to extremist islam
Micha   (02.01.07)
please speak up. this is your moment. If not, you may be swallowed whole by the wave. It's scary that there are such barbaric people in our midsts. But these folks are preaching hatred in the local mosques and to many very uneducated, very impressionable people. it's like sheep. Sick.
3. This article
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (02.01.07)
and the statistics in it plus the so-called witness testimonies are TRASH. They are not worthy of credibility and do nothing but serve to demonify the image of good and moderate Muslims over the world. It is insulting and completely irresponsible to spread this image to people who only believe what they read in biased newspapers and TV programs. It is clear that such articles which use "statistics" are meant only to increase fear of Muslims in some people in the west. There are millions of educated Muslim men and women everywhere, and wearing the hijab does not mean the woman is blocking her mind nor does it mean she is submissive! It is something she chooses to do. This is probably the stupidest piece I've read so far.
4. Daniel Pipeswas in debate last Saturday with Livingstone....
Alan ,   SA   (02.01.07)
..There was almost no coverage in UK Media.
5. I am married to a Brit so I know
Shula ,   Poland   (02.01.07)
Parts of the UK are already controlled by our cousins from the east and are no go area for non muslims, places like Bradford, Luton, Blackburn and many, many more oh and of caurse east London controlled by the clown ani samite George Galloway. Britain is losing fast to the muslims and soon this country will be unrecongnisable and will be an islamic republic, adn that is mainly due to the easy going attitude of the Brits. But the good news is that more and more of the Brits stat to realise as to what is going on adn slowly but surely they start to say NO to the moslims and start to take their country back from the hands of the barbarians.
6. Muslim Britain
Steven Rosenfeld ,   L.A. USA   (02.01.07)
There can never be coexistence between Muslims and a liberal westren, democratic Europe. To think that is possible is to ignore the culture of Islam and the history of Islam. What will happen in Britain and in the rest of Europe is that after a number of terrorist incidents, the great majority of Europe's population will come down hard on its Muslim immigrants and there will be mass deportations, mass incarcerations and worse, until Europe will once again have a managible and small Muslim immigrant population that poses no threat to the rest of the population.
7. The future of traditional Europe is bleak
Concerned Israeli   (02.01.07)
The Islamic extremists that call for an end to liberal democratic values are the same ones that use liberal democratic freedoms and liberty to disperse their ideology of hate. This is hypocrisy at its best, but who cares about hypocrisy when your goal is to eliminate anyone and everyone that doesn't acquiesce to your twisted world view. It's still not too late for Europe to fight back, but staying on the path of self-abasement and capitulation will surely lead to the destruction of European cultures as they have existed for millennia.
8. Micha 2
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (02.01.07)
Micha, I agree wholeheartedly with you! It is enfuriating that there are so-called Muslim clerics presenting such a distorted image of Islam. You are right to say that they are addressing the young, the most impressionable, and it's scary. In my own small way I do my best to clarify these images whenever I am able to, but you are right; not enough people are speaking up. I wish I had the power to do more, but at this point I am not sure how to proceed. I want to share something I learnt a while ago. I was an English highschool teacher several years ago in Lebanon before moving to a western university. We usually used western and local textbooks in our classes. When I first began teaching in school, in several of the text books was a long excerpt from Anne Frank's diary. And even though it was a secular school, we were requested by the administration to tear out these pages, lest the parents of some of the students would think that in reading about the Holocaust their children would be affected by the Jewish tragedy and be sympathetic. I didn't think much of the issue then, although I was vaguely disturbed because I always had open and free discussions with my students in the class. But a few days ago when I read an article here which extended Frank's story, I knew that the only solution lay in education. If we don't educate our children, how will they grow up knowing any better? If we don't teach them history properly, religion properly, how will they grow to love each other. I am sometimes met by hostility if I offer to explain anything about Islam to some people here, and it is really frustrating. But when the Holy Koraan writes this: He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the torah and the Gospel. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #3) and And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #46) then how is it possible for Muslim clerics to twist those holy words around to instil hatred?
9. FIT PUNISHMNET FOR THE JEW HATING EUROPEAN WHITES
Ben Avraham ,   tel Aviv, Israel   (02.01.07)
10. We lost!
enzo ,   london,uk   (02.01.07)
The article is spot on! They have no idea of democracy! They never had one! They don't want one! They hate this country and they teach their children to hate it as well!
11. Read Full Report
Tracy W   (02.01.07)
Google POLICY EXCHANGE. That's the think tank that conducted this survey.
12. Guy from Lebanon
Doron Katz ,   Sydney   (02.01.07)
Mate, it seems it has blocked your mind. You are looking at one small piece of the article. Forgetting statistics and surveys, this is the second survey and it is conclusive, thus shows the sharia law that will go into place. You muslim men can wear jalibiya, dont opress women and dont pretend its more liberal than it is. Islam has no place in Europe, your race is not European. simple as that.
13. #8 - Education
Terry H ,   NYC   (02.01.07)
How do you propose giving a balanced education to Muslim children in Muslim countries? You yourself were helpless in a simple attempt to follow curriculum in the semi-secularized old Lebanon. It would be interesting to read your reply, considering your own professional background.
14. Moslem invasion
Dov ,   canada   (02.01.07)
Brits should not forget about the Moslems initial invasion through out the world from Africa, Europe, and all the way to Asia, where they succeeded best by converting tens of millions of Indians, whom are now called Pakis, afghans etc..and hundred of millions of Asiatiques from Indonesia, china, Russia and so on.... If they do not react quickly and take appropriate measures, they will soon be praising Allah and his self proclaimed prophet against their will.
15. If they love sharia
MK ,   USA   (02.01.07)
Why don't they move to Iran and Arabia ?? why do they stay in the Western world and claim they prefer to be ruled by sharia law ?? This is OUTRAGEOUS
16. 12 and 13
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (02.01.07)
12, I'm not a 'mate' I'm a woman :) And "our race" is only human Mr. Katz; we are not a different species. And I think that both the source of the article and its statistics are dubious and not to be taken altogether that seriously. I am not denying that there is a growing fundamentalism; in fact Im strongly against it. I was considering ways to help resolve this issue. Number 13 You are right about my being somewhat helpless regarding the incident I wrote of; but that incident took place in my first year of teaching. Later in my career as a coordinator I got more freedom and power to make changes in the curriculum, and by that time instead of using just a single book to teach from, I was able to give a lot of handouts to my students from different sources, encouraging debate and discussion in class. The reasons the incident happened back then were more political. In Lebanon, the majority of schools are secular, and religious education doesn't play a role. Some top schools even strictly forbid all teachers to even discuss or allow any discussion of religious or political issues, to avoid conflicts in classes where you have children from so many different backgrounds. My hope lies in encouraging that sort of debate, although Im thinking given the current political tension it may be even harder now. But it's a battle and Im willing to fight it, seeing as there are plenty who think the way I do. I understand that there are also similar issues that arise in Israeli schools.
17. Ban Mulsims from the West NOW!
Daisy ,   USA   (02.01.07)
They don't belong in our civilized countries with their primitive violent cultures. They should stay in their filthy countries where they came from.
18. Muslim Invasion
Joe ,   Israel   (02.01.07)
If Europe and the US don't wake up, and soon, democracy and individual freedom will be a thing of the past. Do not let this happen.
19. to Libneniyyeh from Lebanon, and Mr. Katz
laowai   (02.02.07)
It's nice and refreshing to read your comments. Good to have someone from the other side for explanations. And you are so right - we, jews, have suffered so much from the word 'race'. Good to have you here to remind us we are all human beings, maybe with different religions or believes, but we all just want to live our lifes peacefully. Too bad a small percentage of extremists are making a bad name for Islam. From all people, we should not talk in race terms, Mr. Katz....
20. #16 - Education
Terry H ,   USA   (02.02.07)
Your attempt was a brave one. However my question remains: how do we deal with other Muslim countries, the extremist ones and those that are not considered as such, but that still impose an extremist indoctrination in schools (such as Jordan). No need to go into details. So no matter how well intentioned the teacher, it would be very risky for her to bring any balance to the curriculum or any truth to the discussion except for the ones sanctioned by the authorities. So there we are. The indoctrination continues without any hope for peace and understanding. And as you say, it's getting harder now. Any solutions? And what to do about Muslim education in the West?
21. To # 9 - Fit punishment
MENDOZA ,   MONTRÉAL CANADA   (02.02.07)
Well, It's the first time I read this comment which I made for myself. You should elaborate! I was borne and lived in France for decades. Hundreds and books, articles were published by all sorts of Jew haters about «Jewish domination of French culture». Too many Jewish writers, doctors, professors, composers, scientists, artists, actors, film makers, Nobel Prices! There were 400 000 Jews : that was unbearable : Vichy France delivered to the Nazis 75 000 Jews among whom 10 000 children, so as to « purify France ». Now they have 6 millions Moslems! How wonderful! How beautifully French is now France! Surely Gd likes a good laugh from time to time.
22. How U Like Me Now
1.5 Billion Muslims   (02.02.07)
I be here 4 ever so get used to it . Reality Check , world
23. To # 15--MK "Why do they stay...?"
Sarge ,   Rochester   (02.02.07)
MK, I may have an answer for you. Let's see... Welfare, free healthcare, food-stamps, small business loans, free education, freedom of religion, clean water , modern plumbing Etc. And, oh yeah, free poeples are best defeated by using their freedoms against them. So, I think the better question is: why are they here and what are they up to?
24. Remember 'anti christ' must come first.
m   (02.02.07)
Jesus warned us to stay awake , but the west has been lulled into indifference and apathy by the pursuit of money and luxury. Jesus also warned us to put up a hard fight for the faith that was delivered to us once and for all time by the Apostles. And he further warned that the end of the system would not come unless the apostasy came first, which is the supplanting of Christs words with those of religious organizations of Christiandom supplanting their words for his. And we were told the antichrist must appear. The antichrist is one who is against Christ and teaches he did not die for us.So everything we are seeing gives witness to the words of prophecy and show bible is right.
25. MK (#15) & Sarge (23) Critical Mass Opens New Front, US Next
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.02.07)
Empirically, Muslims have remained model citizens only for as long as they lack the numbers to launch a semi-peaceful intifada (insurrection). Once that critical mass is achieved, "semi-peaceful" changes to belligerent; then belligerent combatant to combatant as they extend the ever-widening Palistan, Egyptian, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, battlefield to open new fronts in the West. They quietly built their numbers in the UK for decades - EXACTLY as they have been doing in the US. What you see in the UK, France, Spain, et al. today WILL happen in the US tomorrow - while Democrats and celebs are zealously complicit. You'd better get busy, I mean REALLY active busy in the streets and protests, to insist on waging the war against terror, relentlessly and uncompromisingly - or learn sharia yourselves. You're only a step behind Europe. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
26. 1.5% of Muslims Don't Like U Now... (#22)
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.02.07)
Much Less Anyone Else. LOL Nearly 1.5 billion Muslims seem to reject you. You're a legend in your own mind; and just another passing oppressor of the people of the Bible: Israel. Ha-Sheim of Israel saved us from the greatest superpower the world has ever seen (Egypt, ruled more than a millenium; compared to the US which has dominated only about a quarter of a millennium so far) and you think to destroy the people of ha-Sheim when the Pharaoh and Hitler couldn't. ROFL Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
27. m (#24) I See Why You Don't ID Yourself. Get An Education
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.02.07)
If you knew anything about Judaism OR history you'd know that your NT has NEVER been part of the Bible for Jews - and that includes Ribi Yehoshua and his original Jewish followers, the Netzarim. The NT is an irrelevant pagan addition similar to the Quran, Book of Mormon, Watchtower, et al. AND you'd know that what you're regurgitating is pagan Roman Hellenism that was introduced only after 135 C.E. Educate yourself about the earliest extant source documents of the NT and how they were redacted by the Roman pagans to pervert them to reflect their pagan Hellenist idolatry instead of the original pristine Torah teachings of the Pharisee Ribi. Then it would become obvious to you that the great apostasy occurred in 135 C.E. and you'd discover the identity of the "antichrist" that came a long time ago and how it is identified by the number 666. If you need help getting, or understanding, the facts they are documented and explained in a combination of two books: 1. The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue, by the late Oxford historian, James Parkes - the seminal historical book of the 1st through 4th centuries in Judaism and the emergence of Christianity; and 2. Who Are the Netzarim?, which I wrote. Both are available in our website (below). Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
28. My #26 Should Have Read: Only 1.5% of Muslims Like U Now...
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (02.02.07)
29. Libbenijeeh, Islamic Culture and Conspiracy Theories
Ehud ,   Tel Aviv   (02.02.07)
The academics who compiled the accurate abd comprehensive report are: Munira Mirza, Abi Senthilkumaran and Zein Ja'far. Do you think they are biased against Moslims. One core aspect of Arab-Islamic culture is its preference of conspiracy theories over looking into the mirror and facing the facts. Allthough thismay be part of human nature, Arab-Islamic Culture has elevated it into an ideology - and worse - into a way oflige!
30. #6 Steven in LA - Hope You're Right.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (02.02.07)
But it could go either way - European political leaders are trapped by political correctness & cannot face reality. They live in a culture of "don't rock the boat" & given low birthrates in Europe, if they don't act fast, demographcs will finish them off.
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