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Religious war in Gaza
Ronny Shaked
Published: 04.02.07, 12:14
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1. GOOD! THEIR ARE KILLING EACH OTHER
ME   (02.04.07)
2. "secular, democratic nationalism"?
Benl ,   Rehovot, Israel   (02.04.07)
There is nothing democratic about Fatah, just a group of thugs that shoots at school buses, bombs markets, and executes opponents. Hamas is better for Israel because they are incapable of hiding their hostility and lust for Jewish blood as Fatah does, behind the smiles and the dark suit of Abu Mazen.
3. Now I understand
Kurt ,   Germany   (02.04.07)
Now I understand more the situation in Gaza, thankyou for explaining it to me. Hayams and phatach are not strong enough to stand alone and they trying to find who is stronger to take over the whole of Gaza to stand for thier rights of the palistinisan people. The Stronger party then will unite the whole of Gaza people and together will be stronger to take back the country to 67 border for the beginnig with Jeruslem as capitol as abu Mazan say and later with all refugees from Europe go back to hollyland to settle. The EU should help with that.
4. THEY ARE BOTH OUR ENEMY
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (02.04.07)
5. comment
Gazan ,   Gaza   (02.04.07)
I do agree that the war in the palestinian territories and especially Gaza is going towards being Religious, But in the area of Hamas point of view. I mean that Hamas members are trying to make the Battle religious, they think that they have the ability to win a religious war, as they are well recognized as "Faithful" and introduced martyrs and etc. on the other hand, accusing fateh members of destroying mosques and killing prayers etc. This is because muslems has a sensitivity toward so. Hamas takeover mosques, and keep declaring that this is a holy war against fateh. second, I Do not agree with that, Fateh members and Abbas loyalists are suffering from a lack of munitions and logistic means, There should be a separation between Fateh as a faction and the security foundation inspite they work with each other to some extent. As a Gazan, and you have to notice that all battles are hold surrounding the security compounds, this means that hamas are all the time start attacking and killing.... Abbas armay is not to be involved in killing palestiniansm and its fears of flaring a civil war make it as you said "lack of munitions and logistic means" they are not.
6. #3 Kurt
enzo ,   london.uk   (02.04.07)
Hahahahahahaha.....!
7. Religious war in Gaza
jack ,   paris france   (02.04.07)
"Israel and the entire region would be much better off if Fatah were to win this war." !? You must be kidding. This war between Palestinians is the dream scenario of the Israeli & US regimes. It's divide and conquer bt the book. If enough of them are killed they will be too weak. to care about freedom, too committed to their internal hate to fight Israel, too tired and too poor to do anything but .beg for bread Sharon must be smiling somewhere. It's a good deal for the short term, well programmed by the "hard line" governments. In the long run? Will it ever be understood that governing to the extreme right is no longer called democracy , no longer leaves any room for solutions? Eventually, the internal Palestinian fight will cost Israel its last hope for peace, because succesive rulers of your Israel and my America failed to have the vision to steer a course that gave the Palestinians room to live with pride and comfort. And now it is too late. As the whole Mideast goes up in flames, thanks to the American & Israeli hard liners, you will be very close to the fire. We'd all better pray a lot, because arsonists frequently get burned.
8. Morons!
(02.04.07)
Expert at violence and murder, able to build NOTHING for their own society, both factions 100% dependent upon charity to exist. Would feel at home with Cavemen. Makes Bangladesh appear as a social and industrial Nirvana by comparison!
9. Let the 2 species of dogs fight each other!
Dudu ,   Kfar Sava   (02.04.07)
We Jews do not have the right to into interfere when the Arabs are killing each other!
10. Divide and Conquer?
Karl ,   Virginia, USA   (02.04.07)
Jack, I don't know why those of your guild continue to think the U.S. has a desire to "conquer" the palestinians. If we wanted it bad enough, we could just use napalm, nukes, or something of that effect. I'm just glad that both Israel and the U.S. are staying out of it and not trying to stop the fighting. Either country's intervention would only cause Hamas to build up their anti-nonmuslim rhetoric and would give their cause strength. Hopefully Fatah will win this as they are the ones who seem to not want to launch missiles and rockets at anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Mecca. And Jack...10,000 Hamas fighters is not exactly enough to counter whatever Israel or the U.S. could throw at them...so I'm not sure what you're talking about letting the fight weaken them. They're already weak. Israel is leaving them to the worst fate...the consequences of their own actions.
11. not good for Israel
yosef ,   tel aviv   (02.04.07)
One should ask why Hamas and Fatah are fighting now. After Israel's retreat from Gaza, defeat at the hands of Hezbollah and the use of inhuman violence against the protestors in Amona the Arabs have come to the conclusion that Israel has lost the war and will cease to exist in the forseeable future. They are now fighting over the division of spoils when the Jews are driven into the sea.
12. Great article
Avraham ,   Cleveland, USA   (02.04.07)
That was the most informative article I've seen in months!
13. chiming in....
(02.04.07)
Your use of terms khawarej and murtadeen in this context is misleading. Murtadeen was historically used after the death of Muhammed for the description of muslims who rejected Islam as a religion then and went back to their ways of kufur(atheism). Fatah people and secular Palestinians that are Muslim by name are still Muslims and as such cannot be described as Murtadeen. As for tha nature of the war between the two factions, it is purely political in nature; it is a fight of power control.
14. The War
Jose FARIAS ,   Sao Paulo - BRASIL   (02.04.07)
Is that a Jihad
15. Very interesting article ; thank you.
Chris ,   France   (02.04.07)
16. Yes...but
enzo ,   london,uk   (02.04.07)
It is an interesting article, but I don't believe for a second it is a religious war (?). This looks like a big Mafia war!
17. Nice Article
Patrick ,   UK   (02.04.07)
In case Fatha wins Israel will have to do concessions and Fatah too, if its Hamas it will be a Status quo. What Israel will prefer ?
18. Imagine what they will do with a nuclear device.
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (02.05.07)
19. This conflict will bring disastrous in others Muslims nation
e.m ,   s.f   (02.05.07)
And it will lost in long time
20. to #3
Brooke ,   Saving the West   (02.05.07)
Your Jew hatred Kurt stems from your obsessive jealousy and your deep seated inferiority in your recognizing the truth that you will never and can never live up to the Jews in all their brilliance and honourable contributions to humanity. The diametric opposite of the evil, thieving and cowardly Nazi. Your lack of self respect and national pride is properly placed.Yes all the Pali refugees, inside Gaza, West Bank and all over the world should be sent to Germany.! Israel has always belonged to the Jews. I can see the Jew hatred is alive and thriving in Germany. I believe that the Jews enemies, who only have darkness, envy and hate in their heart and have nothing valuable to contribute to society should live very closely together. The psuedo Palis should go to Germany because Germany murdered 6 million Jews and thus created the opportunity for the Jews to finally go home to their G-d-given land. Now take the scourge and garbage and death cult of the Palis and put the devil's children into your own backyards. Why don't you both practise suicide bombing on each other---the Germans aka Nazis and the Palis. Together , forever in A special place for all of you in Hell.
21. never ever a religouse war
susu ,   gaza   (02.05.07)
simply we do not see them stealing but we listen to them in counting ... it is about fateh and israil .. israil pay the money fateh do not give the goods .now the question who will be win .i think the money of israil is flying with the wind ..this war will be stopped one day the brothers will not be enemies for ever .god bless the souls of dead from both sides /and loosing the money is better than loosing the life
22. #3 Kurt -- Why don't your take back East Prussia?
Scott ,   USA   (02.05.07)
Seven million Germans lost their homes in East Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, and Sudentenland. Take back those territories, Use force, break treaties, assisinate children, kidnap, blow up buses. You don't want to do that? It's not nice? Then why do you like the Palestinkers?
23. Religious war ! such a wrong point
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   Istanbul   (02.05.07)
do you want to hear WHAT IS RELIGIOUS WAR ? remember Moses ! remember the SEA what THE GOD made ? made the sea into two pieces ! than what happend ? THE SEA GAVE A BIG HUG TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BAD. what is the point : religious war comes from THE GOD. WHEN HE INVOLVES INTO OUR FIGHT, WE CALL IT RELIGIOUS FIGHT. the other fights are just human playings with each other. LETS REMEMBER THERE IS A GOD. LETS NOT MAKE HIM INVOLVE INTO OUR BAD JUSTICE.
24. The waring factions in GAZA
sievemb ,   USA   (02.05.07)
What are we thinking. This is not something to intelectualize about. It is written that "we are our brothers keeper", We need to be in prayer to our own HP night and day that these hostilities end. It is a waste of human beings. A waste! What is going on does not even resemble a war. It is wholesale slaughter. It is a buntch of butchers looking to murder others based on some alliagiance to something 'HOLY'? So what to do? Prayer my loved ones; prayer.
25.  years of absorbent Israel and the
eli   (12.29.08)
7 years of absorbent Israel and the world quietly, Two days that Israel responds to the shells fired at civilians all over the world sympathized with them all of a sudden
26. your end
ahmed ,   N/A   (01.04.09)
you are fighting people did not know the fear even from death how can you Win or stand to hell you are going
27. War on Gaza
Muslimun ,   United Arab Emirates   (01.12.09)
This cruelty and atrocities by the Zionist Israelis have been going on for many decades in the Occupied land Of Palestine.They stole their land,withdrew them from their own houses and made them prisoners who are always threatened to suffer or die.Their is absolutely no limit of barbarism committed by them.And they pretend to the world by showing a comparison of a mother who is mourning the killing of 5 sons with a jewish woman who is holding her head in depression because a harmless and old-fashioned rocket was hit somewhere in her inhibited surrounding area. Upright and self-conscientious people of the world regardless religion protested even then when USA attacked Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,and during 9/11.But USA spoke hundreds of lies and some people from USA and worldwide did believe them.Now I don’t think that people can still turn themselves blind to the cruel facts of the barbarism,cruelty and injustices that are done,promoted and sponsored by the American governments and their allies then and today.Israel is a solid example.If they weren’t backed and supported by USA for decades,they would have been still “a Stateless Nation”,uneducated and empty handed.They’ve 110% support by the USA authorities that’s why they give damn care to the world.The Zionists have hold many seats and positions in their senate and in other important areas today.Americans should be WARY of them, as one day they’ll surely grab and occupy everything of their,then they will not be able to do anything but will be helpless, and the world will also be silent then.
28. Will it ever end
Emma ,   Ireland   (01.13.09)
well??? will it?
29. see israel enemies and self defense
Dr mohamed ,   jeddah saudi arabia   (01.14.09)
http://rapidshare.com/files/182963469/they_are_killing_childrens.rar.html
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