Dr Rice didn't quote from the officially sanctioned version of history published by the ZOA. Thus much screaming and gnashing of teeth. As for the pathetic petition, when it talks of "atrocities they have perpretrated against innocent people" - could this have been referring to the use of a million cluster bombs on the civilian and agricultural areas of Lebanon or perhaps even referring to the uprooting by means of terror of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 and 67? The problem with organisations such as the ZOA (and the refreshing positivion taken by some independent and uncowed British Jews in the last few days vis-a-vis their right to say what they think and not to be beaten into submission by the Board of Depurities) is that they believe they hold a monopoly of the truth, they try to force political leaders to mouth only the words they wish to hear and they behave, albeit in a democractic society, like a vestige of Stalinism in the way they try to stifle comment, free thought and any criticism. In the light of this unseemly effort by the ZOA to pull the verbal strings of Dr Rice, the article by Brian Klug, widely quoted the UK press, with his stirring quotation of "Justice, justice shall you pursue" (Deuteronomy 16:20). " is a ray of light in the dark illiberal world which the ZOA is trying to create with its bully boy tactics.

excellent points made ================== augustine

Seems Ms. Rice is determined to out-left her Democratic opponentsin a bid for the US '08 presidential campaign. Just one more 'leader' seeking a way to appease mass murder. By next week, she'll be calling the genocide in Sudan a "national renewal'!

Once again Israel does not get it. The Road Map to peace has always been the vehicle to erase thier 'mistake' of permitting Israel to come to birth. Not able to defeat Israel thru war ,the globalist forces used the phony peace scam and dogs like Shimon Peres to get the extermination under way. Condi Rice is just following the script. The tradgey is that the Jews put more faith in the goyim than in thier God for security. The delusion Israel is intoxicated by will explode on them in great force. Those who survive won't make the same mistake ever again.

looks like the Bush administration let slip the reality of the other side of the coin. the freedom fighter/terrorist duality is well-established, and the label used depends entirely on which side you align and who writes history (and articles). Condi's "slip" is merely support for the notion that at its heart, even the conservative and hawk-like administration recognize that israeli troops are an occupying force in palestinian lands and the palestinians are resisting. duh.

In the Islamic world war to conquer and destroy Western civilization and bring all nations under Muslim masters, the U.S. is a huge and valuable asset. Council on American-Islamic Relations: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder). Flash Video - The ISLAMIC MEIN KAMPF http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/

Rud\stum, that point of view is not just from "the party line". Those views are shared by many poeple of many differnt stripes as well. And many people disagree with ZOAs take as well. There is plutality. The point is, that these views are not bullied, but are heald by millions of people as well. Its apparent that Hamas (nor Fatah) has no respect for human life, thats why it is not seen as a legit movement. If they examplified otherwise, it would be differnt. But teh fact is that the org does not value human life, and is sworn to eliminate an entire people, regardless of circumstances. When Hamas wants to rejoin human society, they can be recharacterized as a resistant movement.

Shall we have a little talk about Stalinist reductions? For the comment you posted from the occupied Golan is incredibly puerile - it means that you have completely ignored all of the argument, all of the points in the discussion and written the name of an avowed anti-Semite. Would you care to explain what motivated you to do so?

Dr Rice is the best friend and ally of global terrorists? I would suggest that you seriously consider going to see a doctor, madamoiselle. The comments in '6 and your slur against Dr Rice (with whom many disagree for a variety of reasons) simply show taht the Rivera brain doesn't work properly. Dr Rice and the US the best ally of terrorists? I wonder, then, what yuo are doing living in the glorious USA where your tax dollars are, according to your nonsensical statement, simply funding a government whose policy fosters exactly those races and religions whom you most despise. Have you considered moving to a friendly country? However, there is probably not a country on earth whose foreign policy would accord with your ideals - at least not since the death of Mussolini and Ceaucescu... so what's your solution?

Does Rice know the answer ?

Global terrorist Arafat, adored by international elites, had more Jewish blood on his hands than anyone since Hitler was the most invited foreign leader to the Clinton White House. Terror partner with Arafat for 40 years, Abbas co-founded the PLO terrorist organization with Arafat in 1964. Holocaust denier Abbas paid the terrorists who massacred Israeli athletes in Munich in 1972. Admired and praised by U.S leaders, Abbas's security forces have murdered more Israeli civilians than Hamas. The U.S. EU UN call the war against the Jews, the peace process. www.israelnationalnews.com Abbas: "Raise Rifles Against the Israeli Occupation" Jan 14, '07 by WorldNetDaily's Aaron Klein "Raise [your] rifles against the Israeli occupation," Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas declared Thursday in Ramallah. In a speech commemorating the 42nd anniversary of the founding of his Fatah party, the PA chief called on Arab factions to put an end to weeks of infighting and instead fight Israel. "Shooting at your brother is forbidden. Raising rifles against the occupation is our legitimate right, but raising guns against each other is forbidden. We should put our internal fighting aside and raise our rifles only against the Israeli occupation," said Abbas in a speech in the Muqata compound in Ramallah attended by World Net Daily... His statements about using rifles against Israel come after the United States, aided by Ehud Olmert, over the last few weeks provided 7,000 assault rifles and more than 1 million rounds of ammunition to militias associated with Abbas' Fatah party, according to senior Fatah militants... He also used Quranic verses to claim Jews are corrupting the world. "The sons of Israel are mentioned as those who are corrupting humanity on earth," Abbas said... According to documents revealed Friday, the Bush administration will provide $86.4 million to strengthen security forces loyal to Abbas... Like other recent confirmed arms transfers from Egypt and the U.S., the latest American weapons shipments were driven through Israeli checkpoints by convoys protected by the Israeli Defense Forces... http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119361 It is frightening that Abbas/Fatah enjoy total cooperation of US/Israeli leaders to wage war on Israel's Jewish innocents. Where are the human rights organizations?

actions in U.S. and Europe. In the war against the Jews, America continues to finance, arm and train Abbas's security forces who have murdered more Israeli civilians than Hamas. U.S. leaders are forever eager to finance, arm and train terrorists who seek America and Israel's destruction and global Islamic conquest. Palestinian Media Watch Palestinian leader to Al-Qaeda: "We hate the Americans more than you!" "Do to Bush whatever you want and we wish you success." [Palestinian Authority TV] by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook- Jan. 3, 2007 ...The Fatah leader, Abu Ali Shahin, said in an interview on official PA TV: "Do to Bush whatever you want, and we wish you success... We are fighting the Americans and hate the Americans more than you!" ...Shahin's statement that Palestinians hate the US and wish Al-Qaeda success in terror is in line with the sentiments of the Palestinian population even before the Hamas election victory. According to a December 2005 public opinion poll, "65% of Palestinians support Al-Qaeda actions in the US and Europe." [Fafo – Institute for Applied International Studies – Norway) ...About Americans, we say, publicly: the central, head enemy to the Arab Palestinian people and to the national struggle, is this American leadership embodied by the White House and this George Bush sitting there.” [PA TV, January 1, 2007] http://pmw.org.il/bulletins_jan2007.htm#b030107 Flash Video - The ISLAMIC MEIN KAMPF http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamic-mein-kampf/

Consider the source.

MOST OF THESE PEOPLE APPOINTED TO THESE TYPES OF POSITIONS ARE NOT EXPERTS, OFTEN TIMES THEY HAVE LITTLE OR NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF A TOPIC UNTIL THEY ARE BRIEFED BY COHORTS, EVEN THEN THEY ARE SIMPLY DESIGNATED TO STICK TO AN AGENDA PREDETERMINED FOR THEM.

This is what happens when Rice visits Arab Islamist-Jihadist leaders in the region. The latter takes advantage of the opportunity to manipulate and contaminate her thinking and senses. And this is the danger of meeting with such people. America must not waste its time and energy meeting with the dark forces who use deceptions, misinformation and manipulation to exert their influence to get America or other countries to do their dirty work of hurting Israel and America's allies around the world. This is called the contamination effect. It is so effective that even a brilliant and highly educated person could be fooled and manipulated to do their biddings. It is time for Rice to stay away from the dark forces. It is time the dark forces start listening to America instead of telling America what to do.

Rustum, youre just another antisemite moron and your verbal diarrhea doesnt fool anyone. Joe, why do you think Fatah has respect for Israels existance or for human life as you put it? Abbas, the holocaust denier wears a suit and talks politely and you think he is moderate? Fatah, has murdered innocent lives as much if not more than Hamass. Dont be fooled by what the left wing morons like Olmert, Rice and Blair say. Fatah and Hamass respect no life!! 12/1/2007 Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday called on Palestinians to refrain from internal fighting and to direct their guns only against Israeli "occupation." (Abbas, speaking during a rally marking the 42nd anniversary of the founding of his Fatah party)

When the levees broke in New Orleans two years ago, it was beginning of the end of the Bush Admin. This outburst by Rice is a sign of desperation for a better legacy for her boss. Pay it no mind. As far as Rustum is concerned, nobody in Israel has paid any attention to Britain since 1948 so why start now.

www.WorldNetDaily.com Why Johnny is reading Islamist propaganda Critics charge Muslim radicals determining textbook content October 26, 2006 By Bob Unruh Islam is being taught in the nation's public schools as a religion to be embraced because "organized Islamists have gained control of textbook content," according to an organization that analyzes textbooks. "distortions." ...a man arrested as a terror suspect for allegedly trying to transport $340,000 from a group tied to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, and who reputedly had connections to Osama bin Laden, helped write the "Religious Expression in Public Schools" guidelines issued by President Clinton during his tenure in office. Abdurahman Alamoudi with President Clinton, Vice President Gore Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was president of the American Muslim Council and a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah, worked with President Clinton and the American Civil Liberties Union when the guidelines, guidelines later used by a federal judge to conclude such teaching was legal, were compiled. ...seek to use the public schools for spreading their own sectarian doctrines and for recruiting converts... ... to depict Islam as an amicable religion that resembles, and is compatible with, Judaism and Christianity." ... Further, it never explains that sharia bears "no resemblance to U.S. law... ...if students are unaware of or even accept the idea that for politically esthetic reasons they are being lied to or emotionally manipulated." "If our nation's cultural underpinnings are in conflict with religious dogma and values that are intent on replacing or even eradicating them, should not children and their teachers be made aware?... That militant Islam is a real force in the world today, an insurgency that is a real threat to the nation's democratic way of life and freedoms that its citizens often take for granted." "Today, Christmas and Nativity scenes are outlawed while Clinton's nominee, U.S. District Judge Phyllis Hamilton, recently approved 'Islam: A Simulation' where children learn to become Muslim, recite the Quran, fast for Ramadan and pray to Allah including this prayer: 'In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to Allah, Lord of Creation, The Compassionate, the Merciful, King of Judgment-day! You alone we worship, and to You alone we pray for help, Guide us to the straight path,'" wrote Jen Shroder, on her BlessedCause.org website. "America does not comprehend Muslim resolve to make America Islam," Shroder wrote. "Suicide bombers have already demonstrated their willingness to kill and die for it." http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52623

living in London does give you an appropriate view of the problem, you can even tell others how they should think according to their geographical location. Dear Sir, hopefully your cocaine intoxicated prose can only corode your own self.

I will be waiting with bated breath when your country turns into a battle field with all the build up of disgruntled muslim there. Then we shall see how much ponficating you will do about atrocities committed upon the innocent.

this thought occurred to me that rustdum is made up by ynet, because ynet wants to stir up the talkback articles. how can anyone write and think like rustdum. you would have to be a complete idiot, moran and just plain stupid hateful prejudice. he he made up or is there really this person of low brain think'n out there?!?!?

Celebrating 9/11 at the FBI By Paul Sperry FrontPageMagazine.com | February 11, 2004 When linguist Sibel Dinez Edmonds showed up for her first day of work at the FBI, a week after the 9-11 attacks, she expected to find a somber atmosphere. Instead, she was offered cookies filled with dates from party bowls set out in the room where other Middle Eastern linguists with top-secret security clearance translate terror-related communications. She knew the dessert is customarily served in the Middle East at weddings, births and other celebrations, and asked what the happy occasion was. To her shock, she was told the Arab linguists were celebrating the terrorist attacks on America, as if they were some joyous event. Right in front of her supervisor, one translator cheered: "It's about time they got a taste of what they've been giving the Middle East."... http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12138

The group has themselves tied up in knots over the wrong moral issues. To offer either Hamas or Fatah any land next to Jews is the point. Its immoral and disgraceful. Even the Palis agree they don't deserve a state. Transfer them out. Give each family some money after they have left. Go to www.jerusalemsummit.org for the great plan. Rice shame on you. This is not the civil rights movement, you erroneously compare it to. Palis=terror!

...it's simple really. Read your history, check your facts, and come back and comment when what you say is supported by the events that actually happened... you wanna discuss further?...reply, lets see where this goes... ;-)

Guarding America's freedom from Islamic conquest is NOT U.S. policy. Preventing Islamic conquest of all Israel is also NOT the U.S. agenda. There is no war on terror! Council on American-Islamic Relations: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder). WorldNetDaily.com August 18, 2006 Controversial Muslim group gets VIP airport security tour Feds show CAIR latest screening steps, sensitive counterterrorism procedures The Department of Homeland Security took a Muslim group with known past ties to terror organizations on a VIP tour of security operations at the nation's busiest airport at the same time British authorities were working to break up a plot to blow up U.S. airlines. On June 21, a senior DHS official from Washington personally guided Muslim officials from the Council on American-Islamic Relations on a behind-the-scenes tour of Customs screening operations at O'Hare International Airport in response to CAIR complaints that Muslim travelers were being unfairly delayed as they entered the U.S. from abroad. CAIR is a spin-off of the Islamic Association for Palestine, identified by two former FBI counterterrorism chiefs as a "front group" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Several CAIR leaders have been convicted on terror-related charges. ...U.S. Customs and Border Patrol agents were asked to describe for CAIR representatives various features of the high-risk passenger lookout system. In a meeting, Brian Humphrey, Customs and Border Patrol's executive director of field operations, assured CAIR officials that agents do not single out Muslim passengers for special screening and that they must undergo a mandatory course in Muslim sensitivity training. The course teaches agents that Muslims believe jihad is an "internal struggle against sin" and not holy warfare. Customs agents involved in the CAIR tour at O'Hare tell WorldNetDaily they were outraged that headquarters would reveal sensitive counterterrorism procedures to an organization that has seen several of its own officials convicted of terror-related charges since 9-11. "Isn't that nice of CBP," one agent said, to provide a "group like CAIR with a guided, behind-the-scenes tour of our customs facilities, explaining how programs designed to catch Muslim terrorists work." A Customs and Border Protection supervisor... "It's all about how Islam means peace and tolerance," he told WorldNetDaily. "We're told how to deal with Arabs and Muslims, that they are loving people and not terrorists. That jihad is struggle with sin and has nothing to do with violence." CAIR – which is bankrolled by the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates, two countries that formally recognized the Taliban – also offers religious and cultural sensitivity training about Islam and Muslims to the military... Also in June, CAIR was invited by the Pentagon to a ceremony dedicating the first Islamic center in Marine Corps history at Quantico headquarters outside of Washington. Washington-based CAIR also has regular meetings with the FBI and Justice Department. In fact, FBI case agents complain the bureau rarely can make a move in the Muslim community without first consulting with CAIR, which sits on its advisory board... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51573 Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine's annual convention in Chicago, CAIR founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who "kill themselves for Islam," http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184 We are witnessing the death of Western civilization. STOP Inciting Children to Kill ! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse