Israel under the guise of defending their existence will never answer for any wrong doings perpetrated by them against any other country... As far as the Israeli people and their leaders are concerned,.. "ISRAEL CAN DO NO WRONG"....that is why they are the MOST HATED country in the entire world.

Very good.Keep low profile. Six feet under.

The IJV criticizes the British Jewish establishment for looking on complacently or indulgently at Israel's fifty-year policy of military conquest, occupation, annexation and ethnic clensing. Even that most aggressive of Zionists, Ariel Sharon, came to realize that the dream of a Great Israel could never be realized. His successors are now scrambling to screw the Palestinians out of a few pathetic remaining scraps of that dream. Is the Palestinian agony really worth a handful of colonies scattered through the West Bank? The notion of territorial aggrandizement through military conquest is anathema to a world which saw a Hitler claiming "Lebensraum" in Poland and Czechoslovakia and a Saddam marching into Kuwait. This form of national expansion is no longer acceptable, and institutions that condone it are rightly subject to criticism.

I am at a loss as to what you mean to be my "2nd point" and to your reaction to it! Could the misunderstanding be from either side? Please clarify if you can. With thanks in advance.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/818365.html The working definition of anti-Semitism The purpose of this document is to provide a practical guide for identifying incidents, collecting data, and supporting the implementation and enforcement of legislation dealing with anti-Semitism. The practical definition of the phenomenon: "Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collective. Anti-Semitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for "why things go wrong." It is expressed in speech, writing, in visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits. Contemporary examples of anti-Semitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to: * Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion * Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or about the power of Jews as a collective - including, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a global Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions * Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoings committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews * Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters during World War II (Holocaust denial) * Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust * Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel include: * Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor * Applying double standards by requiring Israel to behave in a manner not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation * Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis * Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis * Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of anti-Semitic materials in some countries). Criminal acts are anti-Semitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property - such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries - are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews. Anti-Semitic discrimination means denying Jews the opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

It is typical of conceited types like these "dissenters" that they classify any disagreement or criticism as "censorship". If they were "censored" their silly statements would not be out in the public and getting so much attention. And exactly how "Jewish" are these New Jewish Voices? Just being born to Jewish parents does not endow them with a special privilege to speak for a Jewish Community to which they have no ties in their entirely non-Jewish lives.

Dina Porat's definitions of "anti-Semitism" are largely useful but include several points that are dubious or indefensible in a free-thinking and rational society. These are, I believe: 1) “Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.” Assuming that Porat is talking about individual Jews (and not Jews as a collective), this is not at all necessarily anti-Semitic, but depends on the circumstances of the individual case. 2) “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.” This item is not well-phrased, and I fail to see the connection between the second clause and the first. To begin with, the state of Israel is not logically identical with "the Jewish people." Secondly, a "people" does not automatically hold a right to self-determination (ask the Basques or the Bretons, for example!). Thirdly, it can be intelligently argued that the state of Israel is a racist endeavor. This argument may be weak or strong, but it is not necessarily an anti-Semitic one. 3) “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis." Once again, perfectly valid parallels may be drawn between policies and actions of successive Israeli governments and those of the Nazis (or of the South Africans, for that matter). Disagree? Offer a counter-argument (that goes beyond a howl of "anti-Semitism")! Generally speaking, accusations of anti-Semitism should be painted with a narrow rather than a broad brush. Otherwise, the notion is rapidly becoming cheapened by overuse, and will soon lose its considerable impact. In particular, it would be wise not to draw the policies and actions of the state of Israel (and various Israeli political-social groups) into the argument, as these actions and policies are often indefensible and repugnant to world opinion. The state of Israel often invokes its self-proclaimed "Jewishness" as a deterrant to criticism, encouraging its spokesmen to increasingly tar critics of Israel as "anti-Semites." This is, I am afraid, a losing battle.

Let me correct your imprecise statement: Israel is among the most LOVED country in the world with milions and milions of Christians in USA, Europe, India, that just LOVE her. Undoubtfully, the most hated country in the world is Amerika!

Dear RedStarYeast: Israel will continue to build and build her homeland, until she will see that peace can be achieved with the Islamic world..., as simple as that!

The phenomenon in the USA can be blamed entirely on Israel.... Jews who hate being Jewish because of what Israel does in the name of Zionism.... FACT.

Look at a map before you spout off about "conquest" and "lebensraum" and "territorial aggrandizement." http://www.iris.org.il/images/arabwld3.gif

"that is why they are the MOST HATED country in the entire world. " No, actually USA is. Ask anyone outside the US.

Many of those extremist leftist jews in Europe, that have turned against Israel, are actually descendants of holocaust jews. And they justify this by saying their grandparents´ history "makes them understand the palestinians". And that the israelis do to palestinians what nazis did to their grandparents. They show no appreciation to Israel, which was one of the few places they could go and be safe. I am so disgusted by these people, that I prefere thinking they are not even descendants of genetic jews, and real jews, but rather descendants of converted jews, like the Khazars or some other peoples. Yet, I think european anti-Israel christians are much bigger problem, than some minor groups of these traitor "jews".

Quite right -teaches one not to answer these so late at night! Please reply instead to my query re our criticisms of Israel

That's what comes of writing these late at night and not reading them properly. Please comment on my first point about our criticisms.

#43 writes: "Look at a map before you spout off about 'conquest' and 'lebensraum' and 'territorial aggrandizement.'" I'm looking at a map of Germany in 1933, in 1943 and in 1945. I'm also looking at a map of Palestine in 1945, in 1948, in 1967 and in 2003. Do you wish to argue about the ethics or legality of expansion by conquest in the 7th century or the 14th century? Do you really think it's relevant?

"I'm also looking at a map of Palestine in 1945, in 1948, in 1967 and in 2003." Palestine was a british mandate, and in earlier times it belonged to osmans. There was never an independent State of Palestine. Arabs ended up with 85% of the original territory of Palestine. 75% of which was given to TransJordan and now belongs to Jordan. 10% was given to palestinians and only about 15% belongs to Israel. So what was your argument?

"......the myth about a global Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions" Why aren´t jews allowed to succeed. Vast majority of american jews were poor and had nothing when they came to the country. Many lived in the worst neighborhoods in New York and New Jersey, such as Hell´s Kitchen with the african-americans and latin-americans. However these people were willing to work. And from the poorest sections of cities they rose to be one of the most succesful groups in society. Whenever some other national or ethnic group succeeds, their fellow people all over the world show pride and it´s a positive thing. When jews succeed it´s a "conspiracy theory". Don´t you see, these european and american christians have succeeded in what they have tried? They have taken our pride in the achievements of jews. Rather than showing pride, jews are ashamed of their success and do not talk about it. Even those christians who claim to be our supporters, say it is better not to talk about jewish achievements and success. Why is jewish success in business such a negative thing, where as a success of any other ethnic or national group is always nothing but positive? "Each and every Jew should strive to become as great as Moses." -- Maimonides, Laws of Teshuva 5:2 If you make the effort, you will find results. (Talmud - Megillah 6b)