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Jesus’ burial site found - film claims
Ariella Ringel-Hoffman
Published: 23.02.07, 10:26
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121. Kidron/Hinom valley requirement
Brian Baker ,   USA   (02.23.07)
In the Gospels, the Tenach, and Revelation 11:8...the tomb would have to be in the Kidron/Hinom Valley juncture firstly. Second, Jesus' mother was buried in Ephesus with the kohen Apostle John. maybe the examination of Messianic prophecy should be examined a little more closely, e.g.:http://zolaboard.levitt.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=555248&page=8#Post555248 http://zolaboard.levitt.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=555262&page=8#Post555262 Shalom.
122. WHY?
Jordan ,   Washington, DC   (02.23.07)
Why does everyone respond like they were around 2000+ years ago and are all experts on this? Theology isn't history. It's a proven fact that many of the stories in the bible never happened (i.e. let he without sin cast the first stone... NEVER HAPPENED IN REALITY, do some research and you'll see.) Stop taking theology like it's history. Human beings can't play the simple game of "telephone" without screwing up the message... you think in thousands of years it would be 100% accurate? It's ok to find metaphor and allegory in theologic stories no matter what religion someone is. Stop thinking so closed minded. I am guessing all of the people freaking out also think evolution is bull. But let me ask you this... Can't all of these things just be the actual way things happened instead of WHY they happened. No ones faith is being robbed, just stop blindly following and use that thing called free will.
123. #41 stop being so cynical - Jordan
JCRisn ,   USA   (02.23.07)
Where did you get your info. for "these gospels were mostly written hundreds of years AFTER the actual apostles died."? Earlier datings: Mark: c. 50's to early 60's, or late 60's Matthew: c. 50 to 70's Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70's to 80's John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50's to 70 Later Datings: Mark: c. 68–73 Matthew: c. 70–100, some.. pre-70 date Luke: c. 80–100, most arguing for somewhere around 85 John: c. 90–110. So you see Jordan, these gospels were dated much sooner than you state. See below (from Wikipedia) Estimates for the dates when the canonical Gospel accounts were written vary significantly; and the evidence for any of the dates is scanty. Because the earliest surviving complete copies of the Gospels date to the 4th century and because only fragments and quotations exist before that, scholars use higher criticism to propose likely ranges of dates for the original gospel autographs. Conservative scholars tend to date earlier than others, while liberal scholars usually date later. The following are mostly the date ranges given by the late Raymond E. Brown, in his book An Introduction to the New Testament, as representing the general scholarly consensus in 1996 (for a fuller discussion of dating, please see the articles for each Gospel): Mark: c. 68–73 Matthew: c. 70–100 as the majority view; some conservative scholars argue for a pre-70 date, particularly those that do not accept Mark as the first gospel written. Luke: c. 80–100, with most arguing for somewhere around 85 John: c. 90–110. Brown does not give a consensus view for John, but these are dates as propounded by C K Barrett, among others. The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition. Traditional Christian scholarship has generally preferred to assign earlier dates. Some historians interpret the end of the book of Acts as indicative, or at least suggestive, of its date; as Acts does not mention the death of Paul, generally accepted as the author of many of the Epistles, who was later put to death by the Romans c. 65. Acts is attributed to the author of the Gospel of Luke, and therefore would shift the chronology of authorship back, putting Mark as early as the mid 50's. Here are the dates given in the modern NIV Study Bible (for a fuller discussion see Augustinian hypothesis): Mark: c. 50's to early 60's, or late 60's Matthew: c. 50 to 70's Luke: c. 59 to 63, or 70's to 80's John: c. 85 to near 100, or 50's to 70
124. #117 Hate to rain on your parade but... - Michael
JCRisn ,   USA   (02.23.07)
Hi Michael, I hope this link will help you find out if Jesus Christ existed. http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.html
125. tomb of Jesus "
joe zias ,   jerusalem israel   (02.23.07)
The reason that it took them 3 yrs to make the film is that most of us in the profession boycotted them , they have no creditability whatsoever, in fact, their story is an old one going back to 1996 when the BBC came up with the same insane idea, was in the media about one week before people got wise.
126. Disregard # 64
John ,   USA   (02.23.07)
I thought you were talking to me. Got my #'s mixed up.
127. #54
donald ,   usa   (02.23.07)
Not so fast there. While you don't believe in Jesus does not make the Word of God on that subject of no effect. Let God be true, and every man a liar. Also Jesus said if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father. Why don't you read the Tanach again with fresh eyes this time. Especially the 53rd chapter of Isaiah. I will let Hashem do the rest.
128. 29
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (02.23.07)
Islam does not teach that Moses built the ark. It very clearly states that it was Noah, and he lived for hundreds and hundreds of years in order to complete his task: (13) Then We inspired in him, saying: Make the ship under Our eyes and Our inspiration. Then, when Our command cometh and the oven gusheth water, introduce therein of every (kind) two spouses, and thy household save him thereof against whom the Word hath already gone forth. And plead not with Me on behalf of those who have done wrong. Lo! they will be drowned. ( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #27) (2) And he was building the ship, and every time that chieftains of his people passed him, they made mock of him. He said: Though ye make mock of Us, yet We mock at you even as ye mock; ( سورة هود , Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #38) (11) And it sailed with them amid waves like mountains, and Noah cried unto his son - and he was standing aloof - O my son! Come ride with us, and be not with the disbelievers. ( سورة هود , Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #42) (Arabic, Urdu (Ahmed Ali), Transliteration, Yusuf Ali, Shakir, Picthal, Mohsin Khan, French, Spanish, Indonesian, Melayu, German) (12) He said: I shall betake me to some mountain that will save me from the water. (Noah) said: This day there is none that saveth from the commandment of Allah save him on whom He hath had mercy. And the wave came in between them, so he was among the drowned. ( سورة هود , Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #43)
129. Matthew 24.23
Chris Mic ,   Pensacola, USA   (02.23.07)
Right on Brian (Post 100)! I have read similar translations in many books. The Bible, Koran, Book of the Dead, The Way Home, The Hidden Scroll. In all books it states many will come to say he is here or is reincarnated. These current events only make Matthew 24.23 much more correct and true. Having felt the Lords presence and having seen His work firsthand, there is nothing that would make me think otherwise. I'll gladly extend my neck on the chopping block for this fact! ;) For all those who are undecided or skeptics, don't worry, one day or night it'll come upon us in the blink of an eye. Everything you know and have known will be absent of validity. Confirmation will set in and past chances taken away. I struggle daily to live the good life, but like I said before, I've seen and felt it all. So I try to be good and live the Will.
130. To # 108 DON'T FOOL YOURSELF!!!
AMIR   (02.23.07)
The Turks support the alliance withIsrael!!! oh yeah that's why Mein Kampf was the Best seller a year ago!! I'm not saying that all christians are pro- Israel, read carefully what I said and don't be too emotional. Let's not forget that Yeshua was Jew so there's no harm in embracing his followers as friends. I confirm that an important portion of the Christedom are having second though about what they were tough from the antisemetic chrisitians religious institutions. Still it is not wise from you to believe that turks love you, they are USING you as a toy to make Syria and kurds threaten nothing more than that. GET WISE KHAVER
131. This film is not based on Jewish customs or archeology
Chrissy K ,   Helsinki   (02.23.07)
During the life of Jesus, the areas of Judea, Samaria, Nazareth, Galilee were under the brutal occupation of Rome. Over 250,000 Jews were crucified by Pontias Pilate, who was replaced by order of the Emperor of Rome, due to the insane violence.... At the time the Jewish burial custom was to place the dead (after wrapping in burial cloth) in spaces dug into the walls of caves. Coffins were not used. This film is absurd, and I believe that the archeological experts of Israel will debunk it in short order.
132. FUTURE HERESIES
Ima Bleever ,   Anytown USA   (02.23.07)
I believe the demons of Hell are conspiring to fake a UFO landing. I believe it will happen soon. If it happens, MOST people of earth will swallow the lie willingly. And of course, they will say, "We are ancient and more enlightened. We don't believe in God. WE planted you on the Earth. Here is a home video of it." Remember the people before the flood "could do anything they put their minds to." All mankind has wished to travel to the heavens. Thus... don't be surprised if the fabled "face on Mars" turns out to be a Babylonian King or something. Of course, Babylon was after the Flood, but you get what I mean. Jews, Muslims and Christians know from Genesis that the EARTH is the first heavenly body God created. He created the Sun, Moon and Stars AFTER the earth. Then He ducked out and let the SUN cast light on the earth instead of Him. Thus, the earth is the oldest piece of dirt in the Universe. There IS NO OLDER PLANET from which "ancient" aliens could come. Or else God is a big fat liar and I'm off to get drunk in disgust. IMAGINE what I could pull off with a good holographic projector if I took it to a land where people still prefer to live simply and shun technology. It would seem like magic to them. What if my image were made to appear and disappear - POOF!!! right before their wondering eyes? They would think me a god. Such will be the grand deception that Jesus spoke of that is yet to come. It will cause "a great [spiritual] falling away." Another such deception will be "proof" from the Vatican vault that Jesus faked His death and ran off with Mary (not His mother) Magdalene. They have been pushing that for centuries. Most Catholic churches prayed to Mary Magdalene and still have the word "Magdalene" burned into their bricks even though they removed the iron lettering to hide their guilt. Catholics hate Jews. They are ANTI-Christ as well. If you call them Christians, they quickly correct you and say, "Catholic". Expect very bad things from the Vatican in the near future. The stage was set long before our grand fathers were born. The play will open soon. Get your tickets here.
133. What the Koraan says of Jesus (PBUH)
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (02.23.07)
Muslims believe He was never killed, but he was raised to heaven: (14) When Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour unto thee and unto thy mother; how I strengthened thee with the holy Spirit, so that thou spakest unto mankind in the cradle as in maturity; and how I taught thee the Scripture and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and how thou didst shape of clay as it were the likeness of a bird by My permission, and didst blow upon it and it was a bird by My permission, and thou didst heal him who was born blind and the leper by My permission; and how thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and how I restrained the Children of Israel from (harming) thee when thou camest unto them with clear proofs, and those of them who disbelieved exclaimed: This is naught else than mere magic; (9) And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) (17) And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
134. Yes of course
MK ,   USA   (02.23.07)
And all of the apostles, including Peter who was an eye witness to the Christ chose to be crucified upside down for a lie. And others chose to be burned alive defending the faith, while others chose to die eaten by animals to defend their beliefs. Did they all die defending a lie ? This is BS or what ?? It amuses me how some thinkers believe they have discovered something based on BS.
135. Matthias, let's find the other one
Simon ,   Vienna   (02.23.07)
I am positive we can find one too; let it be empty - that makes it more easy...
136. So many to read; so little time.
rickard ,   bmore   (02.23.07)
I have not read all of your comments. I got through about 80 or so. I believe in Jesus. I do not believe in Jesus because of what is written in the HOLY books. I do not believe in Jesus because of what I have been taught. I believe in Jesus because of what is written in my heart; because of my conversion experience. That experience is real to me because I was here, in my flesh, when it happened to me. In Israel a structure has been built to house the Dead Sea Scrolls. One of the scrolls is the book of Isaiah. The scroll contains a portion of scripture that was removed from the current synagogue text around 700A.D. by rabbinic scholars working in Palestine. Christians know this portion as the 53 chapter of the Book of Isaiah. I would respectfully suggest that any scholar wishing to "research" the TRUTH would do well to read that portion. Somewhere it is written that whoever worships the God of Abraham will not go without his reward. Gamaliel is quoted in the Talmud and in the NT. In the NT he suggests (to the Sanhedrin) that Christians should be left alone. IF they are not from God they will disappear but if they are from God then the Sanhedrin will harm itself by opposing them.
137. To #127
rickard ,   bmore   (02.23.07)
Isaiah 53 is not in the current hebrew text. BUT it is in the Dead Sea Scrolls!!!
138. In reply to number 91
Cherry ,   New Zealand   (02.23.07)
You Actually believe the Da Vinci Code?! The is utterly no evidence for Dan browns theory- the gnostic gospels were written several century's after Christ, and the Council of Nicea voted practically unanimously that Jesus was deity. Cherry
139. To #64 Thanks
Christian ,   Sweden   (02.23.07)
and yes I would not hesitate to call Jesus "son of God", but then I would be talking theology and not biology. I could also have added to my first talkback that only ranting bigots or fanatical anti-religious persons keep on denying the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth. That kind of evil stupidity is nowadays out of mode with the Tjeka. As a Christian I am also saddened to read some of the talkbacks in defence of Christianity. They are not only mixing up later church doctrine with the content of the Bible, but they are adding to their ignorance and bigotry evil language against Jews and Judaism. This is not a war between Jews and Christians! It is about a couple of persons trying to make some dollars out of a poor story.
140. BURIAL COFFIN OF JESUS FOUND ha ha ha !!
HAYOMTOV ,   ITHACA NY USA   (02.23.07)
HUMPTY DUMPTY SAT ON A WALL ... THERE WAS AN OLD WOMAN WHO LIVED IN A SHOE.... THREE BLIND MICE... THESE WERE MY FAVORITES, UNTIL NOW!!!!
141. #133 What the Koraan says of Jesus "they slew him not"
JCRisn ,   USA   (02.23.07)
Libneniyyeh, Not that I have any regard what the Koraan (Quran) says about Jesus, however, since it states "they slew him not nor crucified him" concerning Jesus Christ, IT IS A LIE, for Jesus Christ had to die, for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. From Koraan (Quran) (9) And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
142. Religions & Sex
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (02.23.07)
two subjects. everyone loves to talk about, right ? WE TALK MUCH ABOUT SOMETHING WE KNOW, WE HAVE LESS ABOUT. Let me explain what I mean. Dont take my english as bad. My words are Holy !!! thats the reason they dont give good looking in English language. My Ynet, sorry for the other day, my last post was too stupid. Because I was stupid. But I am always honest. You are great Ynet, Dont always give my messages out. People can lose their soul :) So, what is my point about the subject ? Did I read the news ? Did I read the posters ? Do I care about this kind of news ? What do I care besides drinking and girls in this world ? Sorry, I am not going to make any comment on FAKE ISSUES. God left me. I got no God. I see everything clear now. COME ON, LEAVE YOUR GODS ALONE :) we got a lot things to do. The Devil is not in Middle East The Devil is in me, now !!! Do you have any question for Him ? zaba raba goda usura (it means dont hesitate, sure the devil says that, I am just the translator, Atilla K. ) Lets see who will get the point of this stupid looking post (in fact, very serious post )
143. Libneniyyeh , Lebanon
Atilla karagözoğlu   (02.23.07)
They know The Book much better than you, buddy ! Go to the Muslim sites to speak from the Book. They are (The Muslims) The Only One who needs to read it. I am sure no one will see my great point. My words always look simple. In fact they are not :) Am I a Holy Man ? Sure I am :) Lets dont give a serious looking ! Anyone see my brother Bentham around ? You know him, from singapore ! Benthammmmmm :) Come here I want to start the fight from where we stopped the other day on Ynet :) Yithzak Bentham !!! Ismail Atilla is here :)
144. Such a poor
(02.23.07)
such a poor ! what is poor Atilla ? Tell us Atilla , where we go wrong ? You dont see todays messanger !!! But you look for the DNA !!! this is poor :) do not take the smile icon serious, this is for security of my post :))) My Ynet also doesnt know about the living facts :) Holy Atilla Karagözoğlu :(
145. More details
Terry ,   Dayton, OH, USA   (02.23.07)
This article does not mention the name of the movie, nor the names of any researchers associated with the discovery. Pathetic! I looked for a while on the Internet and learned there is a new book written by one of the movie directors, called the Jesus Family Tomb.
146. Mean Master
John ,   USA   (02.23.07)
How many of you make the master a mean master? Some laborers you are. Complain all you want about the wages because you still see salvation as escaping the god of the underworld, and are still caught up in the second death. You see your own sin in others first, and keep "killing off" your animal side because Yeshua just doesn't cut it anymore. Shame on you. The world is spiritually DEAD in this evil age, people are crying out to G-d. And thats all some of you can say, but "you'll be sorry", or its too late. WE ARE IN THE EVIL AGE ALREADY.....THE AGE TO COME IS NOT EVIL. True believers should really know that. Psalm 22
147.  JEWISH JESUS
RCA ,   USA   (02.23.07)
Most of us know that the religion that grew up and developed around Jesus was not the religion of Jesus. Jesus himself was born, lived, and died as a JEW. He came to correct the abuses of a corrupt priesthood, fulfill the scriptures, and lead a Jewish movement against the Romans. It was Paul, who by the way, never even knew Jesus, that was responsible for creating a new religion that was geared toward recruiting the gentiles and pagans into a theology acceptable to the Romans. If there is truth and evidence in this new documentary, it needs to be exposed. The truth sets us free. In these matters people should not be kept in the dark regardless of whether or not long held cherished beliefs are proven not to be quite as they have been taught. The truth serves as historical correction and this can only bring good in the long run. The fact, in many minds, that Jesus may have survived the crucifixion and had gone to live out his life is something that must be clarified and exposed if there is an accumulating preponderance of evidence. The fact that this documentary has come to fruition, and is to be aired is a feat in itself, when one ponders the suppressive powers of the Vatican.
148. Rain on my Parade, Please!
Stephen ,   Nashville, Tn.   (02.23.07)
You have not been presented with evidence that Jesus existed, however, Michael, what proof have you that he did not?
149. Guys !!! I am here :)
(02.23.07)
Bad Jews Bad Jews :))) Good Man Atilla, Good Man atilla :) Come on My Ynet, Lets find some other subject. You know I dont like religious issues. Its reminds me my duty !!! My duty is too hard. I came world for Justice. But I failed to hate. I need to run from God. anyone can hide me ? Atilla Karagözoğlu The Existing Holy Man
150. Atilla, are you okay?
Ima Bleever ,   Anytown USA   (02.23.07)
No offense, but you sound like you hit your head or something. You are usually quite coherent. Even though I disagree with you, I have never thought little of you. I still don't. I am just worried about you. Did your wife leave you or something? "Cast your burdens upon the Lord [Jesus]." "For My yoke is light and My burden [for you] is easy." Jesus loves you, died for you, and wants to help. Ask Him and He will heal your broken heart. I regret that I cannot.
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