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Envoy: 1492 expulsion Spain's greatest mistake
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Published: 26.02.07, 17:15
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31. #17
jason ,   usa   (02.28.07)
" Calling entire continents of millions of people anti-semites, and insulting Spain without any supporting evidence is bigotry plain and simple," dude.. they just admited it.. In most counties you WILL die beacuse you'er jewish , plain and simple i just don't like how Spain did that back then(still don't) " and #7 yes yes you are forced to forgive a country that expelled your ancestors to not be a rascist because there is not a single Spainiard responsible for it alive, so hating todays Spainiards on account of 1492 is rascist " You should know it takes MORE then just for a "sorry" to fix your "problems" Of course i know people in spain right NOW weren't doing i don't like the fact how they TREATED them back then " To #11 "How very articulate a response, care to elaborate? If you don't see why blanket statements against entire nations and continents are rascist then you are as bad as #1-4. " Egypt , lebanon , syria , Iran , Saudi Arabia , Venuzela , jordan , iraq , sudan and morroco are just examples I'm saying not ALL of the people are I'm saying for HOW they treat people who are JEWISH in the media , government and , socially
32. #24 set up all the strawmen you want
American Patriot ,   United States   (02.28.07)
What was said in posts 1-4 was I hate Spain over the 1492 expulsions, and your defending those posts shows you agree with that sentiment.
33. no apology needed!
USA   (02.28.07)
For something that happened 500 years ago, 25 generations ago. You can't keep holding a grudge forever.
34. reason why
bri ,   phil usa   (02.28.07)
i thought the main reason for expulsion was jews siding with muslems??
35. to American PAtriot from # 9
Isragirl ,   NJ, USA   (02.28.07)
The 3 main reasons American borders are crowded: 1) lower taxes and higher standards of living for the (now disappearing) middle class; 2) there're more poor 3rd world countries than Western industrialized countries (it's tremendously hypocritical to see Western countries bitch and moan about immigrants while they do very little to help those countries to prosper); 3) the never dying MYTH of the American Dream, constantly pumped by the American establishment through media/movies to Americans and to all others. There's such a thing as migration in the world, always had been. Some countries attract more movement than others due to their current political and financial circumstances. It takes someone afflicted by American ethnocentrism and nativism to think that having immigrants makes you a "better" country. I'm in America b/c I represent an Israeli hi-tech company that provides services to the American public that can't be matched by the US enterprises of similar nature. How about that? America needs me more than I need America, b/c without my services Americans will have slightly lower living standards (e.g. - less spoiled). I live close to Philly and Camden. Here more people die violent death or of deprived living conditions than in Palestine and Israel together, although the population here is smaller. But most of those people are from black ghettos, so they only count for half a person and the local police and government do very little to improve this situation. Are you proud of your country all the time? This is not my country, and I'm not insulting it - I'm criticizing by stating the obvious. I am an Israeli , I used to live in Japan, Russia and Australia, I've spent months in different countries in Europe. Nowhere in the world self-adulation can compare to the American. I call it blindness. Again, as to the immigrants - America needs them; Americans cannot afford their nice lives without the cheap labour. But these immigrants have no idea that their American Dream will turn for most of them into a sheer nightmare...
36. to isragirl
Exploitation ,   Soldier in iraq   (02.28.07)
I like your article but if you are going to mention the benifits of immigration you need to also mention exploitation of the immigrant and the means of transport.Immigrants paying tax also.I think people depend on countries not educating the youth in order to exploit them when they get older.Instead they find things artificial things in their household to keep up with the norms of society.I just want to mention again I'm not criticising you.Shalom Aleichem
37. reason why - Wikipedia
Isragirl ,   NJ, USA   (02.28.07)
On January 2, 1492, the leader of the last Muslim stronghold in Granada surrendered to armies of a recently united Christian Spain (after the marriage of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile). The remaining Muslims were forced to leave Iberia or convert to Christianity. In 1480, Isabella and Ferdinand instituted the Inquisition in Spain, as one of many changes to the role of the church instituted by the monarchs. The Inquisition was aimed mostly at Jews and Muslims who had overtly converted to Christianity but were thought to be practicing their faiths secretly -- known respectively as marranos and moriscos -- as well as at heretics who rejected Roman Catholic orthodoxy, including alumbras who practiced a kind of mysticism or spiritualism. They were an important portion of the peasants in some territories, like Aragon, Valencia or Andalusia, until their systematic expulsion in the years from 1609 to 1614. Henri Lapeyre has estimated that this affected 300,000 out of a total of 8 million inhabitants of the peninsula at the time.[1]
38. Stop acting like some other M.E. people!
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (02.28.07)
At least they have come to the realization that they were the losers for having expelled the Jews!! Imagine just how much richer in culture they would be today if they hadn't expelled us!! Apology accepted!!
39. #31
Rustum ,   London, UK   (02.28.07)
Wow - you open your mouth and then you put both feet in it. I don't think I have read a more bitter and more pathetically puerile justification for your own deep pathological racism. Keep on, Jason. Your facts are garbage and your conclusions and no more than a public condemnation of your own gutter thinking.
40. Charles, Petach Tikva
leon ,   Grand Rapids USA   (02.28.07)
Well, you've lived in Europe, and had many good friends. I was born in Europe, speak several European languages, read many, and I'll tell you right now, that Polish, Russian, French, Romanian, and Slovakian on-line sources ("reputable" newspapers and videos) not just kooks reflect jew-hatred. The vey language (Zhyd, Zhydlak, Judel,) etc, etc, reflect this ingrained feeling.
41. NO FORGIVENESS FOR YOU SPAIN !
ben ,   singapore   (02.28.07)
N E V E R !
42. RETURN THE PIECES OF LAND AND THE
ben   (02.28.07)
HOUSES THAT YOU TOOK FROM THE JEWS OF SPAIN. SEARCH THE TITLE !
43. Leon ,grand rapids
charles ,   petach tikva   (02.28.07)
I was born in WEST Europa , speak some of their languages , English is only my 3th . I lived there for 65 years . Not in east europe . But what you see in France , you probably not heard about it . In 95 , President Chirac aknowledged France's resposability in helping the deportation . In 2005 , great ceremony for the centenary of the rehabilitation of Captain Dreyfus . Speeches against antisemitism by the same J. Chirac . On 18 january of this year , ceremony at the pantheon in honor of the French Righteous among the Nations . A great speech against antisemitism by the president and Simone Weil [ i did'nt see much written about this here in Israel . Only the French language radio spoke about it ] For the last two occasions there were even stamps issued . This to show you that there is an action in France against this evil . You will say that it is needed , it's always necessary . Regarding the Polish , they have the greatest number of Righteous among the Nations . And you probably don't know that in this country , hiding Jews was punished by death . In Germany , you find vast quantities of Judaica related works in their libraries . In "reputable" papers in France , i don't think that you will find "youpins" writen . Zhyd , if i don't make an error means Jew . Zhydlak is more pejorative , in the same way as we use the word "goy" . I prefer to speak about non Jews .
44. Ben , in Singapore
charles ,   petach tikva   (02.28.07)
Never say never . You have to forgive Spain , the actual Spaniards are NOT guilty of those facts who happened more than 500 years ago . Even the Germans of today can't be hold responsible of the crimes comitted by their grand parents . If you say not to forget those crimes , i fully agree , but forgive them , and certainly don't accuse those living today of this . Regarding returning stolen properties . Are you aware of the problems caused for the returning of stolen properties during WWII ? . This happened some 65 years ago . How can you resolve this much older case ? be realistic , not stupid . PS regarding WWII , i suffered and lost enough family members . This gives me the right to speak , and to forgive .
45. it's not always about the Jews...
Isragirl ,   NJ, USA   (02.28.07)
All nations, all countries have some parts of their history when their actions were inhumane and shameful. Sometimes, people just suck. Does it always have to be about the Jews? So we got caught up in Spanish Inquisition. Truly tragic for those involved and those who bore the consequences, but the Inquisition in Europe had reigned terror in all people for several centuries, and noone, not even the Royal were beyond its touch. If anything, the Arabs and the Spaniards should apologize to each other for the conquest, the Inquisition, the bloody battles and for every time they didn't hold an elevator door... Move on, people. They apologized.
46. ww2 expelled
bri ,   phil usa   (03.01.07)
does anyone think that the peo ple who were expelled after ww2 have forgotten ??and have forgiven??
47. #39
jason ,   usa   (03.01.07)
come on now Rustum. If thats just it then just explain to me more then that if not its a pity
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