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Ramallah isn't Warsaw
Eldad Beck
Published: 08.03.07, 14:17
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1. Don't ever say No to Israel
(03.08.07)
2. Very true.
Sidney ,   USA   (03.08.07)
3. Not anti-semitism...
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (03.08.07)
...just another example of clear ignorance to the facts on the ground, and a lack of grip with reality. What better way to criticise the Jewish State, and perhaps diminish their own sense of guilt, than to try to compare its behaviour to the Nazis... and this is what it is all about at the end of the day; an attempt to vilify Israel.
4. Many Germans still antisemitic
Semsem ,   New York, USA   (03.08.07)
it is a fact that many Germans, and in particular the Church is very antisemitic. The Pope at Auschwitz tried to distort history by implying that all Germans were victims of the Nazis. Many are trying to distort German history.
5. And Iran isn't Korea
(03.08.07)
What's your point???
6. clearly selective reading of the German press
iandl ,   Europe   (03.08.07)
Dear Eldad, You wrote, "The dignified delegation did not see fit to voice even one word of criticism regarding the persecution of Christians in Palestinian Authority areas". It is not quite clear whether you meant that they did not make such statements while in the West Bank or whether you meant that they didn't do so at all: the latter is quite simply untrue, as you should be aware from a cursory search of German press reporting One German newspaper article had the headline "The Holy Land must not be allowed to become a christian open-air museum", in another article the difficulties which Christians have in an Islamist dominated context are quite clearly articulated. These statements will be understood as criticism of Palestinian society both in the German and in a Palestinian context. After all, they made it clear that the main point of their tour was to express solidarity with the Palestinian Christian minority. This does of course not detract from their other indirect and therefore problematic comparisons, but you don't do yourself a favour by throwing untrue accusations after them.
7. Edom will fall
dovid ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.08.07)
The time is ripe for Edom (& yishmael) to fall. we need to cry out to Hashem and do Teshuva.
8. dear Eldad Beck
jasmin   (03.08.07)
maybe i don't like such a comparisons, but let us be frank here. how many of you Israelis take the time to learn about what your dear IDF is really doing in west bank and gaza? do u question really their moral acts and killings? you know how many pal kids were killed in t he last 4 yrs? sure u don't wanna know. cuz its more comforting to think of them as evil! thats why i never see a picture of a pal school girl or boy, or men and women who work in thier fields. only i see peole with guns! do u really think that is the truth?!! tell what are you doing in the territories? what left for these poeple is very little if anything at all. you don't want them to live in peace, you humilate them on a daily bases, saying that west bank is a big prison is no secret. go for yourself and see: towns are blocked and separated from each other, every pal town is a ghetto not only the whole territories, people take long routes tp reach to schools and work under the sun, or rain.. who cares;;; they are all terrorists!!
9. What do you expect from the state that exterminated
(03.08.07)
6000000 Jews?
10. The Church hates its own diety!
Mark ,   USA   (03.08.07)
Attention Bishops: Jesus was Jewish. Mary, the lady that you venerate, was Jewish. Stop blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus.
11. The world has not learned from WW2
Mark ,   USA   (03.08.07)
6 Million Jews died in the Holocaust but Anti-Semitism never died. It is alive and growing! Germany was like this from 1933-1938 and was followed by the Final Solution. History only repeats itself. There is no hope for the Human Race!
12. #4 Jews will be blamed for Holocaust
Mark ,   USA   (03.08.07)
A new trend is to blame the Jews for the Holocaust or that they deserved to be killed. It allows history to repeat itself.
13. god of israel has a special judgement for them.
(03.08.07)
14. Israelis are either in denial or they're simply evil
Marwan ,   Amman, Jordan   (03.08.07)
How else could they keep pretending that what they're inflecting upon the Palestinians isn't as malicious & hateful as what the Nazis inflected upon them?! Yet it's even more sinful when the Israelis do it gradually, because it implies a certain degree of gratification while they watch the slow torture & agony of their victims!
15. Germany and Germans
Avraham ,   NYC   (03.08.07)
I hate Germany and Germans. Do they think their payouts to Israel will ever expiate their sins. They've returned to the Jewish people just a fraction of our stolen possessions, how can they ever make up for the six million lost? Lo nishkach v'lo nislach. We don't forget nor do we forgive!
16. The German record is based on slaughterhouses and death
Don ,   USA   (03.08.07)
They want to feel better by comparing themselves to Jews. Ugly creatures will stay ugly!
17. Ramallah should be like Dresden was
Dani ,   Tel Aviv   (03.08.07)
Because these Arabs admire the Nazis so much.
18. comparison
samir ,   Canada   (03.08.07)
if you look at it from the victim's point of view, it will be exactly the same. The horror that the victim experience is independent from the reason why is it done against them. But there is a lot of similarities starting from the Warsaw ghetto wall and the west bank wall to moving the Jews out from their homes and also moving the Palestinians out from their homes. The killing can also be the same because both kill deliberately, in the Israeli case they fine the killer with one shekel, if they find him guilty. Remember Dir Yasin, kufr kassem, tantoura, Gaza beach family, ...etc. Israel could claim they defend themselves and the Nazis use to claim they defend themselves against the control of the Jews on the economy. Both claims are wrong, but the horror the victims experience is the same. I don’t expect that this will be shown in the talk back because I could be accused of being anti-Semitic although I’m Semitic.
19. Correction
Igor ,   Germany   (03.08.07)
Not 30, as the text says, but over 50% of Germans think Israel treats Palestinians like Nazis treated the Jews. (Source: Wilhelm Heitmeyer, University of Bielefeld) About 50% of the Germans are openly or latently antisemitic, and it has nothing to do with Israel's bad image due to Intifadas. This has been the case no later than 1986, which is even before the first Intifada. (For those who read German: see http://library.fes.de/gmh/main/pdf-files/gmh/1986/1986-03-a-130.pdf)
20. Hashem Shmashem dovid
Daniel ,   Formerly Israel   (03.08.07)
Have you ever heard this parable?: A man is sitting on a rooftop during a flood and praying. A rescue boat pulls up to his roof and the rescuer cries "get in", but the man answers go away, my God will save me. The rescue boat leaves, the water keeps rising and the man keeps praying. After a while a hellicopter comes to the roof and the rescuer in it cries "climb up" but the man answrs "go away, my God will save me": The helicopter leaves and the man keeps praying untill the water rises above his head and he drowns. When he gets to heaven he asks God "My Lord, I prayed and prayed, why didn't you save me?" And God answers: "Who do you think sent you the boat and hellicopter numbskull" just a little food for thought
21. jasmin and marwan
israeli ,   israel   (03.08.07)
About one million Jewish children were murdered in the Holocaust. Some were burned alive, others bayonnetted or had their skulls smashed against stones or brick walls. Unknown numbers were used in "medical" experiments. Mengele conducted cruel experiments on pairs of twins. No Jewish children threw stones at German soldiers, dressed up as shaheed or declared in interviews that Germans are pigs and monkeys, or that they would like to kill Hitler or any other Nazi officials as Palestinian little boys and girls who want to become suicide bombers or to shoot Sharon in the head or kill Bush. No Jews sang and danced on rooftops as you did when Saddam was shooting Scuds at Israel, or on 9/11. Nor did they had out sweets and lemonade. Your alleged genocide and apartheid is but a farce to milk the world for more money. Where did the hundred million dollars Olmert recently gave the PA disappear? Marwan, whatever IDF is doing to you, your numbers are only on the increase. Genocide means decrease. In six years half of European Jewry was gone. Your numbers have what, doubled? Trebbled? You only have to renounce terrorism. That's all. But your leaders won't let you. What was the last gunfight in Gaza all about? Who sould rule over a certain training ground - Fatah or Hamas. So please stop the whining and assume responsibility for you acts and for your children's education. One more point, even thought the Germans did what they did to us, not one Jew blew himself up in a German pizza parlour, restaurant, cafe, bus, subway. Nor did Israel shoot any rockets into German territory. And not only Jews, neither did the Greeks, Poles, Czechs, Dutch, Belgian. Your leaders signed peace accords with us, except that they are not worth the paper they were written on.
22. Jasmin: I see Palestinians every day
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.08.07)
I would be the first to agree that conditions are not ideal, but as someone who drives on the road with the Palestinians every day I know that they there is some freedom of movement and it isn't under prison conditions. Truthfully, life was easier for us all before the terror wave of the last intifada, but there are still thousands of Palestinians coming in by Maccabim and Modain each day. I think that if you were honest you would acknowledge that the security measures you so dislike are the consequences of terror attacks by Palestinians on Israelis in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. We are not going to sit idly by while people try to kill us. If you don't understand that by now, you will eventually.
23. #14, Marwan you need to read more!!!
Doc Holliday ,   at Hollywood, FLA   (03.08.07)
Hey, Joker it's time you came out from under the rock of ignorance. Try reading the other side. Let us see if you can debate facts instead of making groundless accusations. I know your not a fool but you do play one on TV. What is self-inflicted on the Pals, is to protect Israeli citizens. It did not start out as malicious nor intend to wipe out the Arabs of that region. Nor does Israel seek to kill a whole population now. So why don't you enlighten us with your solution. How can Israel achieve peace and sercurity in the region, that is if you even believe they should?
24. What a load of crap
BJL ,   Appleland USA   (03.08.07)
A good portion of the continent of Africa lives in poverty too. Shall we compare them to Warsaw too? Unlike Warsaw, nobody is forcing the people to live like pigs. The arabs are drowning in oil money and the "could" choose to make these towns a paradise. But they dont, Why? Because they want their "brothers" to draw the sympathy of the nations and its working. Anything to make Israel look bad.
25. Excellent article
Sigfried S. Kuhn ,   Aberdeen   (03.08.07)
The author understands the motivation of the Catholic Bishop's over-the-top criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians living in the West Bank. One would think that a prominent Catholic Church official (German, no less) would have the intelligence and decency to question the billions of dollars in aid given to the Palestinians and were never used to build hospitalsschools, roads, or industries. Antisemitism tends to block out the facts and there is no doubt that antisemitism was one of the motivators. Also, I wonder if this Catholic Bishop has ever protested the emotional genocide perpetrated against innocent children by the Church's refusal to deal with rampant pedophilia by so many priests. However, I have another conspiracy theory to consider. Could it be that the Palestinian Authority agreed to lessen the persecution of Christian Arabs in return for the Bishop's criticisam of Israel? After all, this phony religious leader just visited Yad Vashem and he understood the nature of the Holocaust. Evidently, he didn't care.
26. jasmin, stop complaining
sebastian ,   paris   (03.08.07)
how long are the palestinians intend to go falsifying facts and presenting themselves as victims without mentioning, that they are the sole responsibles for thir "suffering"?! they create their suffering and then they cry about it and accuse the jews. pathetic. but the world loves that show. why shouldn´t it?
27. Hm, so your argument is:
Michael Steiner   (03.08.07)
that Nablus is different from Warsaw because some member of the Nablusi population are terrorists or terrotist sympathzers. That's a pretty weak argument, my friend, because it validates the other similarities: both are cities in occupied territories and in both identical tactics are used to subjugated and control the resident population. That is nothing to be proud of. Rather than slamming the Germans for not having "learned any lesson from the history of their country," I think we are the ones who have not learned lessons from out own history.
28. to #14 I agree
Mike ,   Atlanta, USA   (03.08.07)
So let's get on with it and drive em to Jordan!
29. German bishops should be arrested for sedition
Dudu ,   Kfar Sava   (03.08.07)
30. The world will never love you, Israel
Judy Y ,   Los Angeles   (03.08.07)
and now it does not even respect you. Stop sacrificing your security, your future, your people, in the mistaken notion that you must be purer than the rest of them to be accepted. Your policies of appeasement have made the world lose whatever respect you had earned after your 1967 victory. All that respect has now been squandered, lost. Get your act together, Israel. Get an honest government, reorganize your institutions, increase your defense budget tenfold, hang on to the little land you have, because WHATEVER you do or don't do, you will always be criticized and demonized. You're on your own. Use your resources, your people's intelligence, and defend yourself and all your land. Stand firm against the bullies of the world.
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