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Katsav investigation illegal, attorneys say
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Published: 15.03.07, 08:58
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1. an open confession of guilt !
redmike ,   tel aviv and london   (03.15.07)
by doing this his lawyers are in effect saying that he is guilty but that he has immunity. If the case were thrown out Katsav would have to leave Israel and the ignominy would follow him for the rest of his life. One can understand on reading this article why lawyers are such despised people. His lawyers, if they had a touch of morality, would tell Katsav, "you're guilty and we don't want to defend you" but they rarely if ever do this. Like OJ Simpson's lawyers in the States.
2. Immunity crap......
ben ,   singapore   (03.15.07)
the kind of offence is not a a kin to a threat to national security, so much that certain documents therein contains infromation would damage the Nation per se.Hiding behind immunity by this katsav is merely pulling my mind to draw adverse presumption.Hiding behind immunity and claiming everything in the investigation is subject to immunity is like describing a white elephant. It is the business of the court and the preciding judge to order production of all those evidence.All those investigation and the evidence is a corroboration against Katsva. Katsva allegation has nothing to do with AFFAIRS OF THE STATE. nor STATE SECRETS. Therefore the play on IMMUNITY CRAP is a CRAP !
3. Lawyers
Patrick ,   Haifa   (03.15.07)
Which is the exact reason why 1000 lawyers drowned at the bottom of the sea is considered a good start. How can these people sleep at night? These are the people who meander through legal loopholes to ensure the murders, rapists and pedophiles are lurking on every street corner. Anything for money, eh?
4. It is a ALLEDGE SEX OFFENCE
ben ,   singapore   (03.15.07)
not STATE SECRETS or AFFAIRS OF STATE. They are trying to beat on the production of evidences and addmisability rules . The will not be able to beat the Criminal Court Procedure !
5. disgrace
(03.15.07)
The mere thought that this man is representing this nation and its morality is a DISGRACE. Guilty or not, step down and deal with it.
6. katsav
avi muyderman ,   Prague Czech Republi   (03.15.07)
aha they don't claim innocence anymore but illegal evidence,got it . so mr katsav who was lying again?
7. how about the ladies photos !
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (03.15.07)
while we already judging Mr. Katsav too hard without knowing the facts by first hand, lets see the ladies faces and keep being free public lawyers. this is fair to me. let public see the faces. how they look like. Katsav living in Hell now. The Ladies should also face to share their identity with public. Somethimes faces shows hearts but not always.
8. Why, you want to further abuse the ladies too ?
ben ,   singapore   (03.15.07)
9. Poor Katsav can still afford the most expensive lawyers.
Lenny ,   Israel   (03.15.07)
10. #3 Patrick - Thanks for Stereotying my profession.
Observing Lawyer ,   NY   (03.15.07)
Apparently you think only justice applies to you and not those being accused of a crime. The court of public opinion does not decide a man's fate, each person is innocent until proven guilty. Instead of supporting a wich hunt and ignoring the laws that were set up to protect from false charges, you should be applauding these lawyers in their efforts to fight for what's right. And your little joke was actually a racist one originally, just replace the word lawyers with blacks and that is how the joke was really told (and the number was more like 10,000 not 1000). Anyone can replace the title with another group and make it sound just as stupid....
11. Mazuz has no credibility!
Mike ,   Jerusalem   (03.15.07)
This whole story stinks worse than last month's fish! I think katzav has been framed and that this is part of Peres's revenge for his losing the presidency! It seems all who get in Peres's way either end up dead or disgraced! I wonder what peres will do to his former girl friend Colette Avital now that she is competeing against him for the presidency? never cross Peres or the Clintons you will end up dead or disgraced Mazuz has proven to us that he is inept, corrupt and conniving! Why are Omri Sharon and Olmert not sitting in jail?
12. INNOCENT UNTIL ALL REMEDIES EXHAUSTED
MAHIR ZARA ,   TEL AVIV   (03.15.07)
WE CAN NOT BE SELECTIVE IN THE APPLICATION OF LAWS. PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENSE UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IS A SACRED CONCEPT, THAT CARRIES WITH IT THE OBLIGATION FOR ALL, INCLUDING THE PRESS, THE ESTABLISHMENT AND PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS TO TREAT ANY SUSPECT AS INNOCENT, EVEN IF CONVICTED AND SENTENCED, UNTIL ALL LEGAL REMEDIES ARE EXHAUSTED, OTHERWISE THE LAW BECOMES MOCKERY. WE MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHICH LAWS TO SUBSRIBE TO. THEREFORE, ANYBODY, INCLUDING THE PRESIDENT IS ABSOLKUTELY AND UNCONDITIONALLY INNOCENT, SHOULD BE TREATED AND REFERRED TO AS SUCH, WITHOUT ANY IFS AND BUTS.
13. Mr. Katsav is a good man. innocent unless proven guilty!
Iranian   (03.15.07)
14. REASONS FOR IMMUNITY
MAHIR ZARA ,   TEL AVIV   (03.15.07)
AVIGDOR FELDMAN IS EXPRTESSING ONLY PART OF THE REASONS BEHIND THE INSTITUTION OF IMMUNITY WHICH. IS NOT JUST TO PROTECT AGAINST LIBEL, IT IS ALSO TO PROTECT THOSE COVERED BY IT FROM BEING PREVENTED TO PERFORM THEIR DUTIES. THE WAY THE HALF EDUCATED, THE HALF BAKED AND THE IGNORANT WOULD HAVE IT, IT IS NO LONGER NECESSARY FOR A HOT-HEAD COLONEL TO TAKE TO THE STREETS WITH A COUPLE OF TNAKS TO BRING DOWN A BANANA REPUBLIC GOVERNMENT. ANY HARLOT COULD DO IT BY SIMPLY LODGING A FALSE COMPLAINT WITH THE POLICE, IF ARMED BY TWO WITNESSES PREPARED TO PERJURE THEMSELVES. THAT WAS CERTAINLY NOT WHAT HERZL HAD IN MIND WHEN HE CALLED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE. HE WROTE ABOUT AN ALTNEUSTAAT NOT AN ALTNEUE YIDDISCHE GESCHEFT.
15. One day.........
Ram ,   london   (03.15.07)
all those who are judging Katsav, instead of letting the courts do their work, may find themselves with the same predicament. I doubt they will be happy if others dished them the same treatment as Katsav is now being engulfed with.
16. THE RIGHT TO SILENCE
MAHIR ZARA ,   TEL AVIV   (03.15.07)
THE COURT PROCEDURE INCLUDES DUE PROCESS, WHICH IS A LEGITIMATE LINE, NECESSARY AND WELL-THOUGHT-OF LINE OF DEFENSE. THE FACT THAT AN INDIVIDUAL INVOKES HIS RIGHT NOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS CAN NOT BE TAKEN TO MEAN THAT HE ADMITS ANY GUILT. ONLY A BOLSHEVIK WOULD THINK THAT WAY. THE WAY THE IGNORANT WOULD HAVE IT, THE COURTS WOULD HAVE AN EASY TASK IN DECIDING WHO IS INNOCENT AND WHO IS NOT. THEY WOULD ASK A QUESTION AND IF THE ACCUSED REPLIES HE IS INNOCENT, IF NOT; HE IS GUILTY !!!!!!!!
17. #1, #3 - Law & Order
Kate ,   Jerusalem   (03.15.07)
The lawyers you are attacking ARE doing their jobs. They are defending their client - in accordance with existing laws. If ever you or someone you love needs a criminal lawyer (whether guilty or not) - you will understand what a tough and worthwhile job Lawyers do in our world. A land without Lawyers is a land without justice.
18. Very unfair treatment so far...
N   (03.15.07)
If the lawyers say his rights were violated during the investigation, that doesn't mean He is guilty. What have we seen so far? Only an unjust media campaign based on dubious leaks and a great deal of false information. This has nothing to do with due process, with basic rights, with guilt or innocence. Even this article, which informs us that the decision whether to issue an indictment or not will be made after the May 2 hearing, has over its headline a picture with the incorrect title (Please... THE PRESIDENT IS NOT INDICTED !!!). It seems there is a lot of evidence that his case was treated in quite a horrible way. I think and hope that all those who were howling and shouting loud during the last months, will be really surprised at the end.
19. To #7
Daniel ,   United States   (03.15.07)
So you are saying that a woman's sexual history is relevant if she is raped? A rape trial is not suppose to be a trial for the victim, it often becomes one but that is not the law or morality. The victims history is irrelevant, unless of course they have a history of making false sexual allegations (.i.e the Duke Lacross case), which would have been revealed by now considering it was revealed in the Dule case in 4 days after the allegations were made.
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