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Half of Israeli Arabs justify Hizbullah kidnapping
Ahiya Raved
Published: 18.03.07, 20:42
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31. Before dealing with others must know where you stand
m   (03.19.07)
i believe one has to be careful in generalizations. There are probably Arab people who are glad to be Israeli. And there are probably some who are hostile. Until Israel herself knows what she believes and who is her security, she will not have the wisdom to deal with others who hold strong beliefs.Once she is united with God, every problem is tackled in the word and is able to show the way out.
32. Those who approve Hezbullah kidnapping
Isaac Haskiya ,   Roskilde - Denmark   (03.19.07)
...have no place in Israel.
33. #32
Mike ,   Denmark   (03.19.07)
And Those who support israel have no place in denmark!
34. #14 please explain,because I would like to hear your reason
Don Saliman ,   Nahal Oz, Israel   (03.19.07)
You accuse Israel of using Israeli arabs as Human Shields,and you can not just say things like that without proff. I am tired of all these things Israel is accused of doing and people like you can not back up your words by real facts.
35. Hey Khaled from lebanon
Alexander ,   Hague Holland   (03.19.07)
check out your precious Al Jazeera comments...then talk about hate filled messages again!!!
36. Arabs... a fifth column
jeremy ,   Hula valley Kibbutz   (03.19.07)
This artical shows that the arabs living in Israel, even thought they benifit from our free society are not loyal to the State. I don't agree with the far right, however, if the arab population isn't loyal to our country and want nothing more than it's destruction then it is time they go live in the Palistinian areas or leave Israel proper all together.
37. to #14 you are mentally disturbed!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (03.19.07)
I suppose we were also firing the rockets from lebanon that hit northern Israel. Plenty of those arabs were cheering when the missiles hit Jewish areas. We Jews have a good memory. You better get help or try suicide as a cure for your mental illness.
38. #34- IDF "Human Shields"
Larissa ,   Australia   (03.19.07)
Below are some Ynet news articles about Israel using Palestinian "Human Shields". http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3377236,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3372145,00.html
39. I would justify it too.
Larissa ,   Australia   (03.19.07)
What about the prisoners in Israel? Most of them have been taken captive on no charges...and there are thousands upon thousands of them. Hizbullah requested a prisoner exchange along with the maps detailing Israeli planted land-mine locations in Southern Lebanon.... and you think that it is a just solution to rage a war on innocent civilians rather than doing what is morally and ethically correct? Atleast 95% of the damage Israel caused with that sad excuse for a war was inflicted on civilians (mainly children) not on Hizbullah. If you think they're "terrorists" and you can justify it, thats fine. Take out the "terrorists". But when its civilian life and infrastructure that Israel takes out of course people are going to be against it. It would be immoral to agree to that kind of damage.
40. its the religion of peace and beheading again.
susan ,   isrAEL   (03.19.07)
41. #39..one question....
DR ,   Florida, USA   (03.19.07)
How do you explain the fact that Hizballah fighters were hiding in and around buildings which housed civilians? Do you think they did this on purpose in order to make Israel look bad? It's funny that people like you never condemn the terrorists which hide among women and children, bassically using them as human shields. There are always two sides to the story, Larissa. Please be fair and state both or else you expose your bias.
42. to the ignorant #28 joe and #39 Larissa
Freejay ,   Israel   (03.19.07)
Joe, you have no clue as to whats going on here. The Israeli arabs are treated very well, no worse than how you treat the negro popullation. Go for a drive through Tira or any other arab village and you will see big houses with new cars. You also failed to mention the arab MKs representing them, that also call for them to revolt against Israel. I bet you have never even been to Israel to see for yourself. Larisa, the 2 links you posted are purely just unfounded accusations. The majority of arab prisoners in Israel are terrorists, murderers or complicent in these atrocious acts, not soldiers. Big difference. Majority are charged and given fair trials as we live in a democracy here. If youre talking about Hizbollah wanting a prison exchange, what about the thousands of lebanese holed up in Syrian and Iranian prisons? Regarding the civillian casualties, what would you do if someone was hiding behind kids shooting at you? Wait till he kills you? More than half the claimed civillians casualties, were actually hezbollah. Whats really immoral, is your twisted warped logic and your lack of knowledge.
43. 26: AR, ignorance and hate
David ,   Rehovot   (03.19.07)
Hmmm, Lebanon starts a war, it's fighters use civilians as human shields, it lies about casualties, and yet folks such as AR blame Israel for both the war and the casualties. 4,000 rockets were fired directly at Israeli civilians. That the rockets were inaccurate and that Israel's used to Arabs trying to destroy us, so that we have shelters, is somehow Israel's fault in the mind of antisemites. AR needs to grown up, demand the Arabs unconditionally end the wars they unconditionally began, and then no more Arabs or Jews need die. However , he/she/it won't do that, as it would mean not blaming Jews for everything.
44. 42: Freejay, your ignorance is as bad as the antisemites'
David ,   Rehovot   (03.19.07)
"negro": Any comprehension of how many decades since that word was used? More importantly, the Arabs aren't treated that well. However, the American Black community has not declared a war on the US's existence, don't support terror organizations that call for the same, and are the backbone of the US army rather than people who won't even do National Service. There's enough of a problem with people supporting Hizbullah and terror through ignorance and hate without the defenders of Israel showing the same ignorance.
45. David #43
AR ,   USA   (03.19.07)
I didnt say israel started the war I only pointed out that Hezbollah attacked soldiers Israel responded bye destroying all of Lebonan. Now if you think Israel was right to destroy an entire country and kill 1300 civilians then i dont know what to say. Im not anti semetic im anti Israel there is a difference weather zionist want to believe it or not. How many bombs may i ask did Israel drop on lebonan. Remember Hez didnt start firing rockets until Israel started its bombing campaign. Lebonan isnt a large country and Israeli arguements about human shields is garbage because everyone knows israel only cares about its own civilians. Why did israeli helicopters murder civilians trying to leave the warzone. Why did they bomb powerplants etc etc etc. David no resonable person in the world who looks at Israels history can say Israel is the good guy in any of this sorry i know jews have been through alot but that dosnt make what you do right. Israel has always targeted civilians Israel used 2 ton bombs and then when civilians die they say we were attacking enemy in civilian areas come on 2 ton bombs dont descriminate between Hez and civilians. Its not like Hezbollah was hiding from Israeli soldiers they were up for the fight.
46. Israel messed up
John ,   London,UK   (03.19.07)
Not only Arabs citizens of Israel, but whole of Europe and the rest of world, except US, justifies Hezbollah's resistence against Israel. Only Israel's allies like Blair and Bush opposed the Lebanese group. Even British MPs refused to blame Hizbollah for capturing Israel soldiers as tactic of war. We all know Israel has kidnapped hundreds of Lebanese civilians and is refusing to release them. It was natural to give Israel a taste of its own medicine. And it was a very bitter pill for Olmert to take. Hizbollah managed to defeat mighty Israeli army. Israel the war against Hizbollah. Olmert sacked the his own General. And now the Israeli public are after the blood of their own prime minister and defence minister. What US is facing in Iraq right now, is what Israel faced in Lebanon. Both mighty armies were crushed by popular resistence. Hizbollah is not now more stronger than it was before defeating Israel. It should thank Israel for increasing its popularity.
47. Treason
Douglas Miller ,   Miami Beach, USA   (03.19.07)
Support for an enemy state that is killing your citizens is usually defined as treason. Those supporting Hizbollah's war of extermination against the Jewish state should be stripped of their citizenship and sent packing. They need to live elsewhere, as they are a clear and present danger to Israel's survival.
48. give them the boot
Jazz ,   USA   (03.19.07)
49. Freejay
Joe ,   Brooklyn, NY   (03.19.07)
Hey Freejay, Actually, I've been to Israel 3 times. I'm not talking about the Arab population suffering from poverty, which they do in greater proportion to the Jewish population. Rather, any rich or poor person would feel marginalized by living in a country where the Deputy Prime Minister supports paying them to leave, and there's real debate about committing ethnic cleansing against them. As far as the Arab MKs go, I find much of what they say to be vile, but I do believe that they are representing the views of those who voted them into office. There is anger in the population by virtue of the way Israeli Arabs are viewed, and of course I wouldn't leave out the fact that their counterparts in the territories live under Israeli occupation. I would never justify the way that the Palestinian terrorist organizations have responded. However, I do believe that the armed conflict and the suffering that it has imposed on the Palestinian population will inevitably lead to anger directed toward the state within Israel's Arab population. The Arab MKs have a duty to demonstrate this anger with statements in the Israeli Knesset, and they have done so.
50. Joe joining Freejay as an apologist for terror
David ,   Rehovot   (03.20.07)
The local Arab population rejected UNR181 and joined with the Arab League to destroy Israel. They've continued supporting that cause. That the first 19 years had Arabs controlling the disputed territories yet violence was against Israel and not Jordan and Egypt seems to escape Joe. That the Pals declared war against Israel yet Joe feels that Israel defending itself is not justified is just sad. That 60 years of war against our nation shouldn't cause anger but Israel defending itself is ignorance or antisemitism.
51. #41- If you do not like the side of the story i told...
Larissa ,   Australia   (03.21.07)
then you tell yours.... i just told it like it happened. I'm sorry if you didn't like it. i don't like it either. As for the "Human Sheild" defence... who in their right mind justifies the killing of civillian and children with "human shield"? When there is a cancer you don't kill the patient you kill the cancer. if a "terrorist" stood inside a Jewish kindergarten with a gun... would you blow up the whole kindergarten? And then say...it was legitimate because they were just "human sheilds"? There is no such thing as "Human Shields". innocent civillians especially children are not "human sheilds" You do not destroy a country to kill a "terrorist". The IDF could have maybe used a sniper instead of hundreds of thousands of bombs. As for your last statement... "Do you think they did this on purpose in order to make Israel look bad?" The Israeli government made Israel look bad when it took so long to agree to a ceasfire... And then when Israel did agree, the day it was supposed to stop... and the Lebanese began going home(a few hours before it took effect)... They showered the South of Lebanon again with thousands upon thousands of cluster bombs.
52. 51: What is it about Strange Aussies?
David ,   Rehovot   (03.21.07)
"When there is a cancer you don't kill the patient you kill the cancer." I've been through chemotherapy and it's job is to kill me slowly enough that, hopefully, it kills the cancer first. "whole kindergarten." What does that have to do with illegally using a single person as a shield? Meanwhile, hostages have often died during rescue attempts. Are you blaming the rescuers or the hostage takers? "You do not destroy a country", but that's the stated goal of the Pals. To bad you don't openly demand they stop that. "hundreds of thousands of bombs." Where, when? How do you get a sniper into that kind of a position? More importantly, when Hizbullah has command and control structures, storage dumps and other resources intentionally built next to houses, the GC still gives Israel the right to attack. Most importantly, if you try to do a weird thing called "reading", you'll find the report shows how accurately Israel did attack Hizbullah targets. Compare Lebanese civilian casualties against those in any other similar war, they were very low. Oh, wait, you talk about "two sides" but don't mean it. You'll put Israel in a separate category so you don't have to do that comparison I just mentioned.Never mind...
53. #51, Larrisa, read this...
DR ,   Florida, USA   (03.21.07)
"Pentagon: Children Used in Iraqi Homicide Bombing: This is a headline form today's news. Apparently, Terrorists in Iraq are using children to get through checkpoints.( the children lower the suspicion level of the car), then they park the car, run out and blow it up with the children inside. This is ths same terrorist scum that we see in Hezballah...total disregard for human life. Hiding behind women and children. Firing rockets at Isarel then running and hiding in residential areas. You can point the finger at Isarel all you want, but she will always derfend herself against terror.
54. #52 & 53
Larissa ,   Australia   (03.22.07)
# 52 "What does that have to do with illegally using a single person as a shield?" In 1 word: Quana "but that's the stated goal of the Pals." Ohhh so that is why there are 7million Palestinian refugees. Because they tried to destroy the country... ? as for the hundreds of thousands of bombs...There is about 100,000 unexploded Israeli cluster bombs in Lebanon from the 2006 war. It is estimated that it will take 10 years to clear these. (if this is just the figure for those that didn't explode... use your imagination about the figure for the ones that did). people continue to be injured by them. In comparison Hizballah fired between 3970 to 4228 rockets. # 53 What does iraq have to do with the conflict in Lebanon? In all my reading i have never seen anything about Hizballah putting a civilian physically between themselves and open fire. For both of you.... i tried to spare myself the extra work... thought maybe people could look it up themselves seeing as my posts dont always get posted... (research wasted) here are the statistics.... Casualties: Hizballah- between 250 & 500 IDF- 120 Lebanese civilians-1,200 Israeli civillians- 43 Lebanese Infrastucture 400 miles of road 73 bridges Beirut Airport Ports Water Sewerage treatment plants elecrical facilities 25 fuel stations 900 commercial structures 350 schools 2 hospitals 15,000 homes demolished 130,000 homes were damaged Israeli Infrastucture 14 Israeli Markava main battle tanks 50 tanks damaged 6 tanks were destroyed by land mines 1 Cable car station 1 Rail road repair station 1 Hospital 1 Helicopter 2 buildings collapsed (im sure that homes were infact damaged) However, I couldn't locate any further figures in regards to damage caused in Israel.
55. Historical Political Mess! (My Opinion)
Larissa ,   Australia   (03.22.07)
Taking the statistics stated in my previous post into account, it is obvious that an unjust war took place. A war which I mentioned in an earlier post was inflicted upon civilians I have, in no way attempted to deny the truth of the situation. I am however, entitled to my own opinion. My opinion is that Israels operation was immoral, inhumane and in breach of human rights. It is clear from the figures reflecting the damage caused, Israel was the aggressor and looking at Hizballahs damage, it was caused mostly on the IDF and military operation rather than cilvilians which is reflective of a resistance movement. I can understand where Hizballah was coming from. as stated in my post #39. I think that the right thing for the Israeli government to have done would be to release the prisoners and information that the soldiers were held in ransome for. Instead of simply agreeing to meet Hizballahs requests(although requested in the wrong way, it was infact a fair and just request), Israel responded with massive airstrikes and artillery fire. A bad move. This costed both countries. Rather than sacrificing a few soldiers Israel decided to agrivate the situation and put the lives of civilians in danger and destroyed both economies. This would have to be one of the stupidist political moves in all of history. Not only did it raise anger and anti-semetism across the globe, there was no identifiable benefits nor logical reasoning behind Israels disproportionate attacks.... Billions of dollars were blown up in artillary smoke and nothing but a bad name was gained. The article mentions that "the vast majority of Israeli Arabs continues to express anti-Israeli views". If this war was reflective of "Israeli views", then Israel should be ashamed of itself.
56. Funny cause the whole world considers Israel the tumor.
AR ,   USA   (03.24.07)
57. Earth to Larissa...
David ,   Rehovot   (03.29.07)
We're talking about human shields, and only you and your Muslim friends seem to justify them. They've killed schoolrooms full of children in Israel, Beslan (Russia) and elsewhere. However, you've yet to admit the difference between Arabs intentionally killing civilians and the Arabs using civilians as shields. In both cases, it's the Arab's fault, but in the 2nd case the GC clearly say it doesn't prevent attacks. Meanwhile, Qana is a funny example to bring up in your "defense." Lebanon claimed "50+ dead!" and than had to half the number. More importantly, they not only fought from the town but escapees reported that Hizbullah prevented some people from leaving. Bringing that up proves my points. "Because they tried to destroy the country... ? " Only half right, my child. Yes, the local Arabs rejected UNR181 and fought alongside the Arab League to destroy Israel. That's why there were 472,000 refugees (reported by the UN Mediator for Palestine). The reason there are 7M "refugees" is because UNRWA uses a definition not used anywhere else in the world, for the sole purpose of helping antisemites such as you. "100,000 unexploded Israeli cluster bombs" Really? You've counted them? Nobody knows. Estimates range from a few thousand to folks even more insane than you saying "millions". Meanwhile, since you seem to be saying that the Allies dropped a lot more bombs in WWII than did the Axis, the Allies must have been wrong, evil and don't have a right to exist, correct?
58. Israeli Arabs
Thomas ,   Cleveland, USA   (07.17.07)
the majority(70%) of Israeli Arabs idy as Palestinians and not as Israelis. Wish to solve the problem? Expel Arabs that have been blatantly exhibiting anti-Israel views. Not all are bad though, remember there are Arab IDF soldiers, Druzes, Bedouins, Christians and some Muslims and those soldiers and thewi families should be allowed to stay.
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