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Peace Now's margin of error
Tamar Sternthal
Published: 21.03.07, 14:04
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1. peace now is anti-israel
aaron ,   ra'anana   (03.21.07)
2. Sternthal's article built on a false premise
Rustum ,   London, UK   (03.21.07)
Perhaps emek hakokhavim can explain to us what "illegal Palestinian building" is? It's their land, it's their country - the state of Israel has occupied it for forty years and prevented most building that is not destined for Jewish inhabitants. The utter gall of the Sternthal to even begin to imply that Palestinians do not have the right to build on their own land simply beggars belief. It's rather like a paid political campaigner in Burkino Faso telling Lithuanians not to build housing for their population. The whole thrust of Sternthal's immoral article and possibly the thrust of Sternthal's life seems to be "starve the Palestinians out" and kow-tow to the most right wing jerks. Sternthal attempts, pathetically to divert the argument to "the vast Muslim theft of Christian land... in Jerusalem neighborhoods". Well, shake the other one, it has bells on it. To reiterate, Sternthal;s gall is astonishing and it ill-behoves CAMERA (Committee for Abuse Manipulation of Facts) to be seen as an extenstion of the Israeli states expropriation and oppression institutions.
3. PEACE NOW IS AN ENEMY OF JEWS
JK ,   NYC   (03.21.07)
4. Yawn, Peace Now Liars? so whats new?
Yisraeli   (03.21.07)
5. Peace Now Not Only Lack Credibility ...
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (03.21.07)
they are obviously liars as well. They have an agenda & anything that does not fit the agenda, they disregard or don't investigate. All they are interested in is propaganda under the guise of being "pro-peace". In actuality, they are not pro-peace, they're just anti-Israel. But this is a democracy with freedom of speech - strange that there is no Peace Now on the Palestinian side. I wonder why?
6. what a big surprise,yawn....
trumpeldor ,   eurabia   (03.21.07)
shalom archav should move their headquarter to gaza,alongside force 17....
7. Peace Now has nothing to do with peace
redmike ,   tel aviv and london   (03.21.07)
the Peace Now members like those in Machsom Watch are sad lonely people with no special abilities or knowledge. They gain the attention they need by acting against their county which would attract attention in every country but perhaps not be so easily tolerated. The press give them the attention they need (like air) and their actions get stronger and stronger. The press needs to ignore these klumniks (nothings) and they will quickly disappear. The sick cannot be blamed but the media can !
8. So they're treacherous liars...
Jew ,   Eretz Israel   (03.21.07)
what else is new?
9. it's a contest. who is better lier
Rehavam ,   Israel   (03.21.07)
Israel left or "palestinian" media.
10. Rustum's post (#2) is built on a false premise
Concerned Israeli   (03.21.07)
Rustum - How do we define what's legal and what's not? Hopefully you guessed it. It's called LAW. In this case, let us refer to international law. Nobody can own any land unless there is a sovereign in that land to recognize ownership. Currently, under international law (the United Nations), there is no sovereign in the West Band and Gaza because the Palestinians have not accepted the responsibility that comes with having their own state. When you say, "It's their land, it's their country," you are circumventing and ignoring law, our societal guideline for normative behavior. I know the radical Left doesn't have much regard for something as trivial as law, but the rest of society does, so please do not try and rewrite history like your friends in Shalom Achshav.
11. 2# ur post is built on false understanding
izzy d   (03.21.07)
you say - "The utter gall of the Sternthal to even begin to imply that Palestinians do not have the right to build on their own land simply beggars belief." - I am confused at what YOU are implying here? first, the article sets to prove PeaceNow's flat out exaggerations that grossly affect Israels image and can be construed as SLANDER!!! Apparntly these "rights" you love to talk about can be selectivly applied!!! Israel does not have the right to protect herself from slanderous lies, however, Arabs are allowed too build illegally because it is their lands. tell me, are you suggesting that Arabs don't need to apply for a permit? Israeli ARABS are exempt from the law, huh! So allow me to explain what is happening here, kind sir. coming from a society that has so blindly advanced the ideal of "rights" that you are now at the point where its a weapon to use against saner countries. after all, "why don't the Arabs have the rights to build on their land? this is a valid argument is you circles, leading to much self righteous indignation and tsking, and all feel just a little better.
12. #2
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.07)
you need to drink another tea and have some crumpets, the medication does not seem to be wearing off.......... We Jews are masters of the land
13. Nu?
(03.21.07)
...like we couldn't figure this out???!!!
14. Peace Now is blinded....
Isaac Haskiya ,   Roskilde - Denmark   (03.21.07)
by its ideal. They forget that peace in the Middle-East will come at a price and that all of Israel will pay that price. If Peace Now accepts the price and not the rest of Israel, which a very large majority, then this organization has to accept the Nation´s decision, especially if it considers itself as being part of it!
15. Rustum Rustum cannot bust 'em
JPS ,   Efrat, Israel   (03.21.07)
Darn, there goes Rustum again off the cricket pitch and into the stands chasing what he thinks is a 6-ball. I don't really mind that Rustum ignores the subject of the article - that Peace Now doctors its numbers. It's a typical Rustum tactic to ignore the gist and gnarl on the gristle. So, a la Rustum, who is he to call the kettle black? Rustum is from the UK - with what is possibly the world's worst history of land expropriation and abuse. I guess Rustum forgot that it was his country that claimed they owned almost the entire middle east at one time or another in the name of the King (or Queen, depending on who was on the throne at the time). In fact, the Brits war crimes around the world are legendary and many have never been punished. So if Rustum is looking for non sequitors lets put him on trial in the Hague as representative of colonial England at its worst.
17. Investigate Peace Now now!
Rafael ,   Yerushalayim   (03.21.07)
Thank you for this excellent report. It is high time the spotlight be turned on Peace Now. Their reporting is false and racist. Dig a little deeper and soon we will be discovering that their funding is obtained illegally and that their backers are the sworn enemies of Israel.
18. About time this gets documented on YNET
Steve ,   USA   (03.21.07)
B"H Finally there are some serious counter claims to the propoganda from Pieces Now. This is a good start YNET. Thank you.
19. #12 and masters of the land
Rustum ,   London, UK   (03.21.07)
and being "masters of the land" does that mean that you are looking for a little more Lebansraum?
20. "Peace" now is a bunch of Islamofascist trojan horses
World   (03.21.07)
21. rustum: your stupidity is endless..
Elchonon ,   jerusalem   (03.21.07)
What palastinians ? you mean the migrant workers that came here looking for jews from the jews who legaly purchased the land? BUT BUT BUT.... Perhaps you are refering to the temple mount, y'know that spot that those darn jews keep causing trouble over ? Well here is the deal, its my land, we have planes and tanks and nukes to defend it... Stay in the UK and submit to sharia, meantime ima sit here m-16 in hand defending what i rightfully own!
22. in the religion of left, reality is not the matter...
naive ,   los angeles   (03.21.07)
in the religion of left , reality has been sacrificed on the altar of emotion, usually they may have a big hear, but the size of the brain is samll
23. only traitors would care about arab trespassers
jason white ,   afula,israel   (03.21.07)
on Jewish land. p.n. should be declared a hostile terrorist organization and it's leaders jailed for life.
24. #4, #6, #8 For many it is a surprising news.
AK   (03.22.07)
For years far too many people have been spoon- fed lies by Peace Now, the Arabs and Rostums of this world, without challenge. By now those lies have become an article of faith. It is very important to challenge those lies and set the record straight in every instance. For far too long those brazen liars have been getting away with most outrageous claims without any challenge, resulting in Israel’s loss of support in the international arena. I would only wish for this article to appear in non-Israeli press as well.
25. Who is subsidizing "Peace Now" ?
Eric ,   Philadelphia USA   (03.22.07)
Follow the money trail, and you will find that they are paid by arabs.
26. Rustum, you make me snore
DIVORCE ATTORNEY ,   LONDON MADRID TOKYO   (03.22.07)
27. To #21 Elchonon
esha   (03.22.07)
Well said. Thank you. ("Endless" is right!)
28. ............
abc ,   jerusalem   (03.22.07)
peace before is better than peace now // and peace now is better than peace after . and peace after is better than no peace at all ... the better is to israil sure
29. Peace Now are pathological--need psychological help!
(03.22.07)
30. Bravo rustum
(03.22.07)
Show those criminals the reallity of this world. their life is a lie.
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