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Israel's sex slaves
Roni Aloni-Sadovnik
Published: 03.04.07, 14:20
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31. no offense
Palestinian   (04.03.07)
First of all, I am sorry that many people were too up set by my comments. Particularly Michael Steiner whom I always find his comments interesting and important. Second, Islam is not represented today by any government of today's Muslims world. They all suck! Second, the true Islamic faith is the same one on which David and Solomon preached, the same Abraham preached, it is the one I am talking about. It is the same call to abandon immorality and infidelity. Finally, Islam liberates our minds and hearts. No one is calling to overthrow million of people here and there. When Islam came to Palestine 1400 years ago. No ethnic cleansing occured. Instead, people were given the opportunity to stay on their religion. For centuries Palestine remained Christian Caliphate rule and later, majority of its inhabitants converted just like many other places of the world. Peace on you all. We all have our mistakes and immoralities. Islam belongs to no race, and no color. It is for all of us.
32. to # 22
Yonatan Neff ,   United States   (04.03.07)
I have thought this through very well, but apparently you haven't. You are obviously ignorant to the fact that so many Israelis are killed by mobsters in Israel every year. They also don't hesitate to sell large quantities of drugs to the general populace and therefore contribute to their drug related deaths. And don't act as though the police force does nothing to punish those who traffic in women and participate in their enslavement. The police force does alot, but they are also fighting a losing battle. They are greatly outnumbered and are always complaining of the lack of man power. You are awful quick to criticize them when you have little knowledge of the constant difficulties they face in trying to combat the abuse of women. With their limited resources and manpower the murderers within Israeli society must be the top priority
33. The Islamic religion
jalal ,   gaza   (04.03.07)
Islam is a religion of tolerance and a religion of love, Islam bans adultery Islam bans brothels and prostitution each campus vice arise from the Israeli and Western
34. #31
Michael Steiner   (04.03.07)
Well, O.K. It's just that your comment came across as very provocative. You need to understand that while I fight vigorously for Palestinian recognition and human right, I also love the State of Israel. As far as what you say, well, NO religion in its pure form advocates or condones prostitution! but people are people. and you will find secular and religious Jews, Muslims and others visiting prostitutes. You should see some of Jerusalem's parks at night - full of long sideburns and fur hats...and ladies of the night. But don't think that Muslims are any better. Prostitution has been around in every society for probably as long as the world has existed...not even the Taliban managed to extirpate it. As far as what you say about Islam, sounds good. But you'll forgive me if I stick with Judaism. :-) Leyla saeeda...
35. Michael Steiner is obviously the only Talkbacker with brains
Yacov ,   Ashkelon   (04.04.07)
The rest of you dummies should just shut up and let Michael do all the talking as he is the only one that knows anything about everything. Thank you Michael for enlightening the rest of Israeli idiots.
36. Christianity is the only TRUE religion
Martin ,   Germany   (04.04.07)
37. #36 You make me laugh
Josh   (04.04.07)
3 x 13 = 36 Bad things come in 3 and 13 is unlucky for christians. Deut 13 especially, as it is where the fallen Jews failed G-d's test and became Christians.
38. #36 - How bad is three and 13
Josh   (04.04.07)
Headline: Tsunami kills 13 on Solomon Islands The quake — the strongest in the Solomons in more than three decades by waves up to 30 feet tall, although most reported heights of between 9 and 15 feet 900 homes were destroyed swept a third of a mile inland Epicenter six miles beneath the sea floor aftershocks, including at least four of magnitude-6 It was reported that 300 houses were completely destroyed Within three days of a TRUE religion holiday: Baam Earth quake, Indonesia's Tsunami, Philipine landslides, California mudslides all with three days of some TRUE holiday. But what does it all mean?
39. prostitution and religion
huda ,   jerusalem   (04.04.07)
prostitution is forbided in islam like it is in christinaty like it is in judism // in kuran god say .. that the money and the children is the most lovable things in the life // so it is not forbidden but it must be rights .. in oanother aspects god said that the men amusments are in women and properties .. so the physiology and it is not the religion .. make the woman as amusment to the man //and the physiology .not the religion make the woman to be pregnant and to feed the child from her breast /// in christanity sitna marium the mother of jessus // which she was from bni israil said when the angel told her that she will have a child // she said no one touch me .and the mother was not a prostitute and my father is anever a bad one .. it meanes that the morals is not affected only by the religion .. it is by the family the eodiology aand the comunity // sure these days /the family ,the comunity , the eodiology also changed .. .and i think the freedom if it is so opened without rules from these family and comunity and religion .. with the wide range of poverty and rich people // prostitution which is the most ugly slavery will be increased // in moslemes comunity still there are some rules to controle this problem .. as the girl is protected by the family from poverty even if she is old / and the comunity look to islam more seriose in this problem to prevent prostitution .. in evry thing moderation is good but somethings must be prevented at all by the rules .. i think prostitution must be .. but if it is individual or out of rules it depends on individual control .. its religion and believe and its moral
40. No Jewish Prostitutes?
John ,   USA   (04.04.07)
Thats like saying there are no Christian prostitutes. Some of you are real life hypocrits. Do you even have a slightest idea what its like to receive that kind of guilt and condemnation from those who come before you? Why isn't someone telling them their sins are forgiven, and please try not to sin anymore, because there guilt will be spewed to their offspring, from the better people of the world?
41. Muslim Sexual Hypocrisy
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (04.04.07)
I lived most of my life in an Arab country so I'd like to share some observations of sexual behavior with everyone, especially the Muslims who have posted comments. We had literally thousands of prostitutes, many as young as 13-14 years old. Every hotel, every night-club, every ice-cream parlour, had it's contingent of "girls". There was a parade every night as the girls went to work. Some were on motorbikes soliciting men driving. Others were in taxis roaming the city after dark. The cafes downtown were half-filled with young boys who hustled tourists for sex for money. Now, let's talk about polygamy, child marriage, & adultery. I knew of many cases of men who took younger poor girls as second wives without even telling the first wife. I even knew a guy who took three wives, put them all to work, & quit his job. He was in his late 20's by the way. How about child marriages? Can you imagine girls as young as 13 being given to men in their 30' & 40's ? How's that for exploitation? I didn't know one guy who didn't cheat on his wife with prostitutes. Not one. How about the men who divorced their wives (very easy in Islam) & threw them into the street with a "settlement" of 150 shekels? Or the wife-beating which was very common (and is allowed under Islamic law)? The story about the goat which I read above reminded me how common it was for young shepherd boys to have sex with sheep & even donkeys (you have to stand on a stool). I'm not making any judgement on the practice - this has been common in rural areas all over the world. I could go on with much more, but you get my point. So please stop the BS about Islam - you are the last people on earth to criticise others.
42. We must clean up Israel or G-d will take her away from us..
NATHAN THE PROPHET ,   Jerusalem   (04.04.07)
AGAIN. G-d has once again given us Jerusalem and our homeland of Israel. We are defiling her with yog treif and practices of strange nations. We must clean up Israel or lose her again. G-d gave Israel to us before, he took her away from us before. He can do it again.
43. the success of brainwashing
tom ,   toronto, canada   (04.04.07)
interesting that among the talkbacks, the "westerners" talk freely and openly about prostitution as a social problem that needs fixing, while the islamists have it directly from god that prostitution (and drugs and all other social ills) come "from israel and the west". that sounds like a perfect (if somewhat delusional) recipe for jihad, but a lousy way to fix real problems in a real world.
44. Tom (#43), It's elementary
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.04.07)
The Sunnis have "mesyar" (temporary marriage) and the Shiites have "mut'a" or "sighe" (temporary marriage). (That's how intrinsic temporary sexual services are to Muslims.) So THEY have no prostitution.
45. honest talk
tom ,   toronto, canada   (04.04.07)
stop calling them sex slaves - that's just sensationalist hype. they are prostitutes. and prostitution is nothing new and not particular to israel. (the term "woman trade" is also a misnomer - is male prostitution somehow different, or does the writer just not care?) so far the best, and most enlightened, way to ensure that prostitutes are not abused is to make their business legal, and provide them with adequate protection and health care. then they could operate in licensed brothels rather than on the street, and keep more of the money that they earn, and pay taxes, without criminalization. the only obstacle is good old-fashioned politics, where it wouldn't "look good". legalization won't make prostitution a good thing, but it's at least a way to minimize its harm.
46. #45 What you know - and don't
Josh   (04.04.07)
It is slavery as the women are forced as SLAVES. It is not that they slipped into turning tricks or chose the proffesion. They were travelers looking to better their life by moving to Israel for opportunity. Normal girls. Then their belongings and visas were taken away, usually by a woman whom they trusted. They were then confined and abused as Slaves. They fear for their lives, are lied to about what would happen if the authorities find them here or if they are shipped back home (Russian mob stuff). They are physicall and mentally abused in a land where they don't know the laws or the language. They are duped into believing they owe money and if they don't pay it they will recieve (mafia like) collections yet they are not payed or billed so that they can not get out of debt with these ceedy charaters. Some are even kept in cages and locked in rooms gaurded by men who are like big mean bruisers. So don't compare Toronto apples to Middle East oranges. Its a far cry from Toronto hookers although the abuse is the same.
47. Self-Contradicting Michael Steiner Quotations
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.04.07)
2007.04.04 "I also love the State of Israel." 2007.03.28 "Israel has from the underdog turned into a most vicious oppressor using the malleable concept of "security" as a smokescreen for heinous human rights violations... It took me actually making aliyah to see what we really get up to in the territories and in Israel" 2007.02.12 "...parts of Jerusalem WILL have to be ceded to a Palestinian state" 2007.03.13 "I, who have lived in several Arab countries and know them, I am sure, much better than you." Point of information: There is a significant proportion of Israelis who are Sepharadim or Teimanim. Every one of them know more about Arab countries and Jews living under Arab rule than Michael Steiner ever will. 2007.04.04 "But you'll forgive me if I stick with Judaism." Steinerism is NOT Judaism! Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
48. #47:
Michael Steiner   (04.04.07)
Unlike you, I'm not trying to destroy Jewish souls by peddling crypto-Xian propaganda such as your website. Why don't you go hug your "jesus"? And while at it, get a life. Saving my talkbacks shows you for the loser you are.
49. Michael Steiner, from contradictions to false slander
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.04.07)
There is nothing Christian about me. Furthermore, it's clear in my website that I abhor J*esus as a pagan idol. This is just one more of the things you're unable to comprehend so you resort to making up slander. I have a life here in Israel, in an Orthodox beit k'nesset, with Orthodox friends, in, did I mention it, Israel. You are the one who couldn't make it here and had withdraw back to blend in among the goyim. That defines the "loser." I read your messages as "sour grapes." Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
50. #29 - Thanks for putting the situation into perspective
Haifa, Israel   (04.04.07)
With all the hand-wringing over the prostitutes themselves, some on this board appear to have forgotten who the real criminals are.
51. Its good its coming into the open
marilyn   (04.05.07)
Well the Israel of God certainly isn't in this corner of the Earth, with its homosexual parades, its women sex slaves, its pursuits of pleasure. But we hope in God and we know, everything is in his hands, and perhaps you need a time of scrutinizing yourselves, if you desire the respect of others
52. Israel's sex "slaves"
Amy ,   New York, USA   (04.05.07)
Ms. Aloni-Sadovnik should distinguish between chattel slavery, still practiced in Sudan, Mauritania and elsewhere, and economic coercion, which goes on in India, all over Asia and elsewhere. She would have more credibility if she didn't engage in hyperbole and mischaracterizations.
53. paqid and steiner and others and me also
nahi ,   jerusalem   (04.05.07)
the best is to post in general not attacking each other .. but sure sometimes i can not help that .only to attack somebody here in the talkback on the ynet ..salam
54. #53 Equating Facts & Slander No Different Than
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.05.07)
The Arafatian School of equating Israel defense with Arab terrorism. I presented facts, quotations. Steiner responded with false slander, complaining about being confronted with facts. Do not equate them, or us. Getting to the facts are what talkbacks are about. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews
55. #49 skank comment!
Martin ,   Germany   (04.05.07)
# 49 Blasphemous lewid comment!
56. Cookie cutter biases
John ,   USA   (04.05.07)
Christians as well as Jews have been taught and raised with certain biases (through ignorance really), about what a Christian is supposed to be or believe, and what a Jew is supposed to believe or be. Jews sometimes think Christian means trinity doctrine, virgin birth, magic blood / flesh, human sacrifice etc. or a variety of other DOCTRINES. Christians sometimes think all Jews are Talmidist, they work their way to heaven, they don't know G-d. I am so sick of this CRAP. If you try to explain HOW WRONG either group can be, they either ban you or try to force you to think JUST LIKE THEM.
57. Martin, G-d doesn't need a sacrifice to forgive sin
John ,   USA   (04.05.07)
This is where paganism has really infiltrated the Yeshua assembly (not that it is not present in Judaism either). Yeshua came to do G-ds work on earth, which was to confirm by authority, that their sins were already forgiven by G-d. The Tanach system was FOR MANS ASSURANCE, and so was YESHUA. G-d resurrected His Spirit, proving that G-d forgave man and He takes them home, not because they followed law perfectly, not because of magic blood or flesh (these were later doctrines) etc. Not because people believe just like you or me, or some other "Believe in Yeshua system" developed over the centuries. So Hosea speaks G-d has no need of sacrifice. Why? Because flesh and blood really profit nothing....they RETURN TO THE GROUND. It is the LIFE (knowing G-d) spirit which is important. May you come to understanding on this and be freed from your present bondage system. Get resurrected today. You don't have to wait to physcially die to be close to G-d.
58. Martin from Germany
John ,   USA   (04.05.07)
"G-d has given me authority on earth to forgive sin" If I said that to you, what is your response? Who am I to blaspheme G-d? Who do I think I am? Would you burn me at the stake? Only G-d can forgive sin, does He think he is equal with G-d? G-D ALREADY HAS FORGIVEN MAN FROM THE BEGINNING. He just wants to be close to His creation, without his outer garment animal hide getting in the way...as if we were physcially dead (SPIRIT). Thats what Yeshua was / is trying to TEACH YOU. ASSURANCE. Not a pagan / animal or person blood swap to live forever in your flesh body. Your sins are forgiven, now don't intentionally sin, becasue you will develope guilt and ruin your spiritual relationship with G-d while on earth.
59. Ark / coffin....I know I am off topic...but
John ,   USA   (04.05.07)
This is one area where it doesn't really affect me one bit if they actually found the bones of Yeshua. He was in His ARK after His bodily post resurrection mistry for awhile. Then G-d took His SPIRIT home. Likewise we are still in our flesh animal hide ARKS / COFFINS in this present evil age. We can either be dead spiritually, or alive as if physcially dead in spirit. Be blessed my friends.
60. Sexual slavery
Marilyn ,   USA   (04.05.07)
Jesus says love your neighbor like you love yourself. If it were you, how would you feel? Beatings, getting raped by slimmy, greasy men multiple times a day, suffering from disease(s), kept in confinement, no one friendly around. It's not just Israel's problem but every countries problem. We need to stand up for these ladies.
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