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Jewish students attacked by Israeli academic
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 05.04.07, 22:58
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31. #15, I have only skimmed it
Danny   (04.06.07)
But already it is up to Pappe's "standards", apparently the Israeli government was careful not to write anything down - despite the miles of documentation available from that time - which means Pappe is forced - forced mind you - to fabricate motivations and "orders" given for which their is absolutely no evidence. As you read it does he still have Deir Yassin in the suburbs of Haifa? As for him moving - ALL students in Exeter should be horrified at their university being a base for this documented liar and fraud - and as an Israeli, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
32. Comrade Pappe
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (04.06.07)
He worships a portrait of Stalin.
33. #15 "Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine"
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (04.06.07)
The only "ethnic cleansing of Palestine" that is known in real life happened in August 2005 when all the Jews were removed from Gaza.
34. Muslim students have the most powerfull lobbies atUniversity
Alan ,   SA   (04.06.07)
35. Exeter
Dudi ,   London   (04.06.07)
A well-known, Arab funded, anti-Zionist [so called] university. It is dismaying to read what Pappe says when Jews are openly mocked in Regent's Park by all and sundry.
36. what about the arab lobby in uk's university
dovdevan ,   ashdod , israel   (04.06.07)
a week ago a conference about anti-semitism in the arab world has been cancelled on the campus of an english unerversity due to threat to the life of the organiser !!! the head of the campus gave as a pretext to cancell the conference that the security of the participant was not assured !! i think it's quite obvious that there are some subject that are taboo to debate !!
37. "Academic"? That is an insult to true scholars.
Roscio ,   Rome, Italy   (04.06.07)
Pappe is a twisted pathological liar and rodef Yisrael, a pursuer of the destruction of Israel. He never allows the truth to get in the way of his anti-Israel, anti-Jewish rantings. It is one thing to celebrate freedom of speech, it is another to instigate for the destruction of your own people. One does not have the freedom to yell "fire!" in a theatre, and what Pappe does amounts to the same potentially lethal behavior. Please do not flatter him with the word "academic" again. Todah.
38. The Price Of Free Speech
Daniel ,   Calgary Canada   (04.06.07)
You can't expect free speech for yourselves while denying it to others. The true price of free speech is in not only allowing people to speak their minds but actually listening and considering what they have to say. You've had a rough ride. You can continue to live in the past or work towards a better future. Well...
39. Even Academics Can Be Mildly Psychotic
David ,   Marietta USA   (04.06.07)
Look, he will be happier there, his palestinian students will be happier there (a brief respite before they have to go out into the real world and get themselves blown up), and Israel will be happier to get rid of this mishuggenah. So why the fuss?
40. Just An Observation
Daniel ,   Calgary Canada   (04.06.07)
After reading all these posts I just have to say...dissenting opinion really isn't tolerated very much, is it? In Canada we have elected representatives at the provincial and federal level who's party platform includes the break-up of Canada. We figure you can talk it out or shoot it out. Besides, some time they're just funny as hell to listen to.
41. Jew hatred by Jews is nothing new
Avi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.06.07)
Ilan Pape follows a long and glorious path from pre Christian times (Apion in Alexandria) through lots of turncoats until our present day. The Church in it's many manifestations, Islam, Communism, you name it. They all love the Jew hating Jew. It simply covers their own antisemitism with a Jewish kashrut certificate. I empathise with the Jewish students in the UK and their position under constant attack. I went through this in the mid 1970s. I fought, worked as the UJS fieldworker and then left them to get on with it and went on Aliyah to Israel. Just think, if progressives can not take up pro Israel positions, then it may not be such a good idea to chummy up with the so called progressives? If the UK has enough money to spend on giving so called academics like Ilan Pape a livelyhood then why can they not fund their national health service properly? People are suffering and dieing so that Mr. Pape can stream out his post modernist diatribes. Get him a job as a dustman or a sewage worker or a nurse instead of a sponging self hating Jew.
42. Typical Ynet Garbage
klaus ,   Jerusalem   (04.06.07)
This article headlines with "Press attacks Jewish Lobby". If you read the article, you will note that there is no "Press" - it is only a dishonored professor who is adding prestige to the University of Haifa by leaving it. There is no Jewish Lobby - only a weak attempt by the professor to call his dissentors - students at that, a Jewish Lobby. The only possible accurate word in the heading is "attacks". Ynet shovels out this @#@^& on a daily basis, pretty soon we won't need solar energy.
43. #40, Daniel, dissenting opinion is fine, not making up facts
David ,   Boston, USA   (04.06.07)
Also, when being pro-Israel is not accepted at college campuses and bringing in pro-Israeli speakers is not accepted because of violence from Muslim and liberal fanatics, then there is something wrong. People are more than welcome to have different opinions, but revisionists who deny the Holocaust and people who deny Jewish connection to the land and have no one to state the facts in rebuttle is creazy. Do many people have claim to land? Sure, that has happened throughout history EVERYWHERE. I strongly condemn the repression of freedom of speech when it comes to being pro Israel and when it comes to censoring historical facts.
44. Israeli Universities teachers
A. Rinawi MD ,   Dearborn, Mi, USA   (04.06.07)
Parents send their kids to HU Ilan Pappe, Leshem and others. Rather than learning they are indocrinated to be anarchist. Pappe is inventing history. Parents and students should demand accountability from Universities. They pay tuition but get nothing in return.. Parents, wake up.
45. Exporting Pappe
Paul Usiskin ,   London UK   (04.06.07)
Though I too found the headline of this misleading, as one involved in supporting the fight against the attempted academic boycott of Israeli academics and their institutions here in the UK, I am puzzled as to why Professor Kellner should be so pleased about the export of so poisonous a substance as the views Pappe expresses. Pappe's exploits at his ertstwhile university have made him the darling of the boycotters. That he is coming here to practise his antics within these shores is not at all something to celebrate. I look to Professor Kellner and all other israeli academics and their institutions to join in the battle against the boycotters - for their own benefit, if not as a sign of strengthening Israel-diaspora relations.
46. I just sent him an e-mail!!
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (04.06.07)
Google "Haifa University" - click on Academics - click on Staff and then type in his name. It's that simple!
47. Boycott himself!
Robert Goldman ,   cooper city Florida   (04.06.07)
Hmmmmmmm a self hating Israeli trying to tell the world to boycott Israel. and he is leaving Israel? WOW seems he should have left long ago ....
48. ALEF
A. W. RISS ,   Chicago, USA   (04.06.07)
ALEF is a secret organization working out of Haifa University organized By Micah Leshem and others. It is a fascist Jihadist antisemitic organization inspired by Pappe. Haifa University should not sponsor this type of activity or that donors will stop giving money to finance their activity.
49. 40 - Dissenting opinion is overly tolerated (see MKs)
NL ,   Israel   (04.06.07)
If you actually read the anti-Pappe talkbacks, you would notice that their criticism is not of his conclusions, but of the fact that his conclusions are unsubstantiated and, at times, flagrantly fabricated. Many of his conclusions have been exposed as down-right lies. To refute your claim that a dissenting opinion is not tolerated in Israel, may I refer you to several Israeli Knesset members, who receive Israeli tax dollars while being allowed to express their dissent of the Israeli regime to the point of identifying themselves as Palestinians, to the point of meeting with avowed enemies of the state, in other words, able to speak with complete impunity against the regime of which they are members - with words and actions that would be considered treason anywhere else. Let me refer you to the fact that Israel appointed an Arab MK to a MINISTERIAL position who, as an act of dissent against the Israeli regime, refuses to sing the national anthem. Pappe himself -despite criticism for his sub-par research methods (aka too few and too unreliable sources) - received his salary at a PUBLIC university, although his publications were consistently anti-establishment. If anything, Israel allows so much freedom of dissent that it, at times, compromises Israel's security.
50. GOOD RIDDANCE !
Michele ,   Haifa   (04.06.07)
What took him so long ? Haifa will be a much nicer place without him.
51. #38, it's not a matter of free speech
Danny   (04.06.07)
He has the perfect freedom to say whatever he likes, he wants to write books pretending that Deir Yassin is over 100 miles away from where it really is that is his right in a democracy. He wants to pretend that Katz didn't make up quotes despite affadavits from Pappe admitting Katz did then that is his right too. What I think most people object to is the pretence that there is any academic merit to what he says. If Exeter wants it's students to study from a proven liar then I say all the better for Haifa, I wonder whether the students after having racked up 16k of debt only to find serious academics roll around in laughter when they quote Pappe will find the joke as funny.
52. Well here is the actual link
Danny   (04.06.07)
Hardly "Jewish Students attacked in UK press" rather Pappe whining that people are calling him a liar - hint, stop lying, people might stop calling you a liar. Of course, Pappe didn't "support" a boycott, he was the one who ran around trying to get a boycott. http://www.thes.co.uk/current_edition/story.aspx?story_id=2036083
53. Ilan Pappe's history
mordy   (04.06.07)
read about what kind of historian Pappe is here: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=8&x_nameinnews=122&x_article=1299
54. #2- you defined the matter entirely with one word
Cameron ,   USA   (04.06.07)
He does sound like a particularly loathsome character.
55. The PR War
art ,   jc usa   (04.06.07)
Can any person with even the slightest intelligence say that anti Israel voices have been silent. They prevail on most world media. certainly in The Guardian, BBC and Haaretz to name just three of untold thousands. This profesor seeks to intimidate pro Israel voices by purpertating the big lie yet again. He ants anti Israel voices to dominate and contro; all Jewish voices. He also believes in collective punishment as evidenced by his calls for anti Israeli boycotts.
56. Change tactics!
A.D. Weiss   (04.06.07)
Why are Israelis and Jews in general always on the defensive? Be pro-active, go after the racists! Dig into this Profesor Pappe's history, all the way to his childhood. Find out why he hates Jews so much. Find out ALL about him. These people usually have a long history of unsavory deals. Who does he associate with, his finances, his past statements...
57. AMAZING ... All the US polls by NON Jewish organization show
Stewart ,   USA   (04.06.07)
overwhelming support for Israel and most Jewish endevors in the Mideast. This is not lobbying, but democrtatic reprersentatives reflecting supporting their constituants. SCREAM ALL YOU WANT ABOUT THE JEWISH LOBBY. Americans aren 't listening and neither are many others in many parts of the democratic world. OH, and if you don't believe me, just go back and look at some of the prior YNET articles or do a web search.
58. we have the arab version of Pepe here in Sapir College
student ,   Sderot, Rocket Hill   (04.06.07)
ohhh bless, I do love those high minded professors/lecturers preaching for mighty ideals but having difficulties to follow them themselves. israeli-arab lecturers who teach in colleges and universities in Israel, consider themselves to be "palestinian" and publish manifests calling to boycott every student or academic who don't oppose decisivingly to the "occupation" and the state of Israel. if they identify so much with their "brothers" i say they should pack up and leave to teach there and stop getting salaries from the state they hate so much. it's just outrageous how in my college, in the filming department where ppl. try to create different things and be open minded someone like pepe's clone turn up and create propaganda just to gain some popularity . and he's not even a good filmaker. least have sth. to balance the pomposic declarations you shout aloud. I don't work my arse off to pay my tuition just to hear that gob shite. UK students, don't let that twisted fuck mess up with your minds. FIGHT FASCISM!
59. Hypocrites
Phil ,   US   (04.07.07)
Ilan Pappe is typical of an extremist demagogue and bigot. He not only wants to have the right to say whatever he wants to say, he also insists that everyone agree with him. Once people disagree with his pathologic lies, he accuses them of trying to stifle dissent. Second, Pappe is a self-hating and antisemitic Jew. Naturally, like some other haters, he denies his bigotry no matter what his actions are and his statements are. Although he is an ignoramous and an incompetent historian, he is a shrewd and weasely psychopath. The question is how did Haifa University emply this monster and why would a British University hire such a fraud? Oh, I forgot. They don't care about his academic mediocrity. They only want him to spread his antisemitic and anti-Israel poison.
60. Shame of Haifa U
Mordechai ,   Boca Raton USA   (04.06.07)
Shame on Haifa U for not firing this academic incompetent before he ever quit. Bigotry including Jewish self hatred is not compatible with academic research. Pappe has never been an academic. It's bad enough the British give him a platform, no Israeli University ever should have allowed him to remain
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