Yes you and your ex husband are eligible (is he or you the famous cross gender member of parliament?) At any rate...you will have to pay every penny back to the Mauris. cheers mate,

Have a shame, you low life schnorrers! With your manipulations you just foment anti-Semitism and asking for trouble for all of us. Stop it!!!

Me being a WW2 buff, I have to say to you that you have some nerve commenting on this thread and you know what I mean. Latvians were so viciously involved with the murder of Jews that they made the Germans puke. Have some shame, Latvian. And you got away with it. Latvia was never penal;ized for thier participation in the holocoast. Not one dime. They left Germany holding the bag for all Latvia's sins. Suffering under communism was not nearly enough. If anyone should have to pay the "2nd generation" it should be the countries like Latvia that literally got away with murder. You cry about Ole Uncle Joe. Gee, how would you have liked being a Jew in Latvia during the Holocaust? Thank God for not being born Jewish in that era. You have blood on your hands and would be best if you shut up. Need I reference the Latvian SS? You know, the guys that we (the Allies) were forced to come in and kick thier asses. Even though I feel reparations should only be paid to the actual victims (again, what price can you put on what your people did), I do think you have some nerve speaking against these people. You got away with a crime. You left the Germans to pay for your sins. Ryan, if you are reading this, Alex is the type I am talking about.

It's a known fact that extreme traumatic events can affect children and also grandchildren. Sensitive people perhaps do need counseling to help them deal with it and to have a decent life. And I think that's what everyone wants is for the Holocaust victims and their families to have a decent life.

If you believe that the USA entered WWII to save the Jewish people your a moron. Go read a history book Ryan at least you won't sound as stupid. My daddy always said " everybody has an a--hole it's just that some people will stand up and drop their pants and show you theirs ".

This is a travesty. Those who file the suit should be ashamed of themselves. Yes the Europeans had enough BS about this and it's time to move on. Playing the victims forever will not get you anywhere. The chains of the Tanks are crushing the souls of the Palestinian people, and the 2nd generation of Holocaust survivors want a law suit with Germany. TRAVESTY.

"Amcha currently treats 878 members of the second generation who finance the treatment themselves. On average, each patient receives 80 hours of treatment a year, at the cost of NIS 300 (about $73.75) per hour." In the US, $75/hour is a standard fee charged by a private psychotherapist. It would appear that AMCHA's Israeli patients are not getting any great bargain. In any case, there seems to be no end to those eligible to get on the gravy train: "Within the survivor population, the main target groups are non-clinical elderly survivors; psychogeriatric crises syndromes, including depression in elderly survivors; middle-aged child survivors; Russian immigrants (multiple massive trauma); and very orthodox religious survivors. "Target groups within the second generation are divided into the old second generation, born in the early post-war period; the young second generation, mostly born in Israel; those second generation members who have recently come to live in Israel from America, for example; and heavily traumatized, clinical second generation members. "Other target groups include the spouses of first and second generation members, the third generation, members of helping professions, and trainees specializing in post-trauma treatment. " One would logically think that the treatment of the survivors of 1933-45 would decline with time and come to an end after about 80 years, Not so! This is an energetically-expanding industry!

I appreciate your feedback and criticism but let me clear a few points. Appreciation of the allies win was not an issue with me, I never said they didn't appreciate it. The holocaust happened, and has happened to other people as well. Armenians, Native americans, throughout history the list goes on. Freeing the concentration camps was not the mission as most soldiers in the field were really unaware of them and blown away emotionally by the mere sight of them, the conditions and treatments of other humans, it only reinforced the fact that what they are doing was right. I also read lots, but holocaust is not my favourite topic. I take pride in the fact that my family helped end it. The hate from nazi to jew is not the issue. The issue is whether the 2nd generation survivors are entiltled to compensation and my opinion is no. Germany has done lots to make amends. I am belittling nothing. You ask what is the price of a family? What is the price of suffering? Does that price get reduced by generations? The same question can be applied to the 2nd generation survivors seeking compensation. Monetary compensation does help rebuild lives. Is a few dollars going to make it all better? It is not the same regime in power and personally I would be thankful enough that my parents were survivors and not victims of it. I do not think that monetary compensation is deserved to the descendents of the holocaust survivors. I appreciate you being nice, expressing your views, but they are just that, your opinion. Not listening to other peoples opinion is tyrannical, and I don't know what you mean by "Read a book" what is there in a book that I could possibly read that would affect my decision. The question is "Do the second generation holocaust survivors deserve compensation? It's really an ethical / moral question. A history lesson is not needed to answer this. Maybe it will reinforce the atrocities committed and bring about emotions to grant their request, but still not necessary and a little bit influential towards the decision. Also when the Nazi's were acceptable, I'll use the term lighlty, many allied countries invested heavily in their economy, Preston Bush for example. Should Joe Native from the reserve get money for the atrocities the american army under grant did? No, but the indians did get reserves and tax breaks, and in Canada a whole lot more than that, But that is another issue. So really it's not a yes or no, one is right one is not kind of question, it's opinion on whether or not survivors descendants should get compensation as well as survivors. Maybe then they should have humungous families so they all get compensation and they can then lobby for their descendants to get it, and so on and so on. Canada just went through a similar event with the chinese head tax. Anyways, we agree to disagree, from your posts we are in agreeance that we will be fighting on the same side anyways, until the day.

I am a supporter of Israel and live in a country with a substantial Jewish population. However, I think the claims being pursued by this group are specious. At some point, one has to move on and face life.

Perhaps twenty million people or more were killed under violent and brutal conditions by the Germans (and the Japanese) from the mid-30s to 1945. In many of these cases, the circumstances of death were as horrific as those suffered by Europe's Jews. The Allies, in turn, incinerated hundreds of thousands of Germans and Japanese: vast numbers of these victims were also undoubtedly innocent. Are the survivors and their descendents, unto the third generation and beyond, somehow exempt from psychological trauma? Are they also eligible for compensation? Over the past 50 years, hundreds and hundreds of Jewish organizations have collected untold billions of dollars in reparations from European countries. This on top of untold billions of dollars in outright charity from around the world. Yet, according to a recent report, one-third of actual Shoah survivors in Israel are living in poverty! What's wrong with this picture? Where has the money vanished to? Overhead? Is every cash-collecting charitable organization headed by a moneysucking Rabbi Singer or a Minister Hirschson?

concentrate on iran and international holocaust denial .

Palestinian refugees from two years prior to1948 (when Israel was attacked) who receive aid has grown from 200000 to 4,500000 -- now that is inflation---not only that but if only one parent is palestinian the whole family is eligible for assistance and refugee status All refugees whether living in camps nearby villages or towns--ALL receive free assistance and services for the rest of their lives-including their children,grandchildren,great grandchildren,great great grandchildren and so on ad-infinitum Read the whole of this excellent article before you apply a different set of rules to holocaust survivors who are 1000% more deserving http://tinyurl.com/2hg8fq

so that they can be happy like you and me.Is that so hard to understand ? This is a clear cut ,a post traumatic depression concerning those childhood trauma from their entire childhood. The ice berg only shows 1 % above the water, 99% is immersed underwater.For this second generation the 99 % very frequently shows it self. Believe me this is a very painful experience.It is full of agony and suffering.Post Traumatic Stress is not a short term medical condition but a prolonged mental state if not treated effectively.This is the reason the second generation is seeking to go to court because their legitimate claim is being watered down by bureaucrasy and diabolization.There is no break in the chain of causation, the whole agony was caused by the Nazi. This is a criminal offence and a breach to natural justice and a violation to human rights.Denying this legitimate claim is a hogwash.Germany is reaponsible for causing the mental and psychological damage to the second generation. There is a valid cause of action here and the claim should suceed in the Jerman Judical System and the European Courts of Human Rights . This report is concerning the second generation jews.It cannot be easily dismissed without due hearing ! This is a worthy jewish cause and jews shall support the second generation Shoah victims. Please file the class action against the jerman Government and get the compensation to pay for the medical treatment.This legal issue should not be kept burried under the carpet any longer. Mr Reuven Weiss thank you for reporting this and I thank Ynet too.

The only one that sounds stupid is you. Kindly show in my post where I said saving the jews was the reason the allies entered ww2. Or even better where I even mentioned the US army. I referred to the allies which was more than your US. I think you need to learn how to read and put english words together and get a better understanding of their definitions. Your post is ignorant cause it has no relevance to what I posted, your just making things up out of thin air. Hooked on phonics might work for you. My daddy always said the dumbest americans live in michigan, most notably detroit. I guess thats why it's a recruiter haven. And quit tarnishing the name of a great ball player.

EVEWRYONE sufferred during that war- EVERYONE had post traumatic stress- and generations are ALAWAYS affected by the past- what about the blacks and the slaves in the USA- dont you think coming out of THAT situation affected the next generations? you jews have GOT to stop thinking you are the only ones that feel or have sufferred- it is annoying.

We are all waiting for it. They DESERVE IT> go for it- get a good human rights lawyer-- USA is about to dump Israel and then they cant bully you guys any longer.

Let me start from top. While you did say allies don't be a moron. When the USA entered thew war that is when it was possible for the allied forces to win, period Trust me I love Canada and respect your military but without us you would be speaking german. Regardless it seemed to me and others who posted that you implied exactly what I stated. Now should I have said allies as opposed to the U.S.. Who knows? Your callous post " lets not milk it anymore " and other silly remarks seemed to me a bit vicious or maybe cynical. I wasn't the only one who felt that way, was I ? The perception was you were cold and insensitive that it was all a joke to you. I reacted with anger just as you now reacted with anger. Listen my daddy can kick your daddy's butt. Here in this country Doc Holliday was an Outlaw Gambler who fought with Wyatt Earp at the OK Corral and many other battles. Anyways no hard feelings and have a great day. DOC

Since most of the lawsuits against Germany involve repayment for the confiscation of land and property (sound familiar?) then certainly Palestinian lawsuits of the same nature have equal merit. These Holocaust lawsuits have been allowed to continue and probably will be allowed to continue until about the time that the lawsuits of the "my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents were Holocaust survivors" plaintiffs finally peter out. In the same vain, the Palestinians should be able to sue for lost property and from post-traumatic stress caused by the Nakba for at least 20-30 generations, perhaps 40 to be on the safe side. Do these lawyers and their clients not realize that every action such as this just makes the rest of the world just that much more unsympathetic to Israel and the diaspora? It grows more absurd with each passing year.

The way I understand him, he is a Jew from Latvia, and his grandparents and many other relatives perished during the Holocaust.

# 45 ...You said ____________________________ EVEWRYONE suffered during that war- EVERYONE had post traumatic stress- and generations are ALAWAYS affected by the past- what about the blacks and the slaves in the USA- dont you think coming out of THAT situation affected the next generations? you jews have GOT to stop thinking you are the only ones that feel or have suffered- it is annoying ____________________________ Yeah right, everyone suffered during war and the nazi German were having orgy time murdering Jews. This article is about The Second Generation of Jews of Shoah. It is not concerning the Black or the slaves as you compared to in your post above . Read the article carefully, is there anything mentioned about others who have also been a subject of holocaust. We jews will defend our jewish people at our cost and time. Don’t tell us what to do and not to do. This is a jewish cause and we will put the matter in the court of justice of Germany. There is a valid cause of action a class action against Germany. You are annoyed by your own example citing the blacks and slaves of America. This article is about the jews ,not about blacks as you cite. Go an read the article once again ! We jews will bring this case to the court and we will take what ever judgment as it comes. The real reason behind the many discouragement is that German are feeling ashamed when any issues concerning the holocaust is raised. Germans cannot rewrite history the damage is done. Your personal opinion is irrelevant in this case , it is the legal opinion and the judicial findings that matters. IF we want to bring the case to The European courts of Human Rights, we will do so, don’t tell us what to do or not to do. If the aftermath of the Holocause is too embarrassing for you , just see and stay quiet .Remain Silent and join the many anti=semite. That is exactly the action and ommission ,the World did when jews were being thrown alive in the fire while their hearts still beating. Those who survived the holocaust carried the trauma in their mind and their children also suffered the same, It was never easy to grow up in such a painful environment. germany id responsible and guilty ! Be it know that It is even more CRAZY to pretend not to acknowledge the agony of the second generation of the holocaust. You asked me if I am Crazy. Yes I am stubborn Crazy when it come s to any Jewish cause . So what is your PROBLEM ?

Ryan, I must say you wrote an excellent reply to my post. I really do appreciate your thyought process. While I do think that only the victims of the war should recieve compensation, I would never belittle the 2nd generation (which you did not really do that). However, I would not accuse them of dishonest intemtions. That actually , subconscious or conscious, is anti-semetic. Obviously, it is believable they suffered some trauma. But you are right, i.e. to what degree and where does it end. It also is deeply appreciated that Germany has made a true effort to reconcile, being that the German government has been the only true European friend of Israel, especially of late. This is invaluable and commendable. They have not sluffed off any responsibility about the holocaust. I do hear many Jewish friends say that Germany has turned out to be a true backer of Israel of late. We both know what it is to have a national history of genocide and we should see Germany as making a real effort to do the right thing. While you make the legitimate point of where does it end, I just don't want to paint a bad picture of the 2nd generation and I believe neither do you. In the USA, the black community wants reparations. I understand your point because only the ex-slaves should recieve it (if you can find any). As far as Indians, we may differ. In the US , reservatiopns aren't that cool. I don't know about Canada. Anyway, Thanks for responding in such a nice way and I take back the comment about reading a book. It is obvious that you have.

Your post is bull. You are a vicous racist and that is the nicest label I can give youl. You bastard. The latvians are responsible for a large part of the jew Killing that went on. THEY NEVER PAID ANYTHING IN REPARTIONS!!!!!! Alex is human genetic waste. You need to read a book. Switzerland was just exposed to having processed trillions of dollars worth of property that belonged to Jews that were murdered. THEY PAID NOTHING EITHER!!!!!! the bankers of Nazism made out big time. Even if your lies were accurate in any way, the supposed billions paid out would be a good deal with a return in the trillions. You seem to have a problem with Jews. If you actually would have ever read a book, you would see that the tens of millions murdered during the war was an extension of Jew killing. I resent what you say about the USA. The relocation camps were not the same thing as NAZI concentration camps. Where did America gas Japanese and work them to death? Let me see your proof. You are a bare faced liar. AND....the American government compensated the Japanese victims...years later but they did it. I resent your insinuations and your racist effort to assasinate the character of legitimate jewish leaders.

Hannock, re-read his post. I seriously doubt he is a Jew. He is claiming Latvia was a victim of the NAZIs. at the same time he was belittling the children of survivors. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! You may want to read about Latvia in the second world war. You may change your mind about Alex. Ther are excellent references about the "volunteer" forien units of the SS. Latvia is very prominant. Does that sound like they were pro-soviet? I would gather if you went to Yad Veshem in Israel, you would see a lot of referencers to Latvian attrocities to Jews.

Then they need to compensate the gypsies, the gays, the communists and everyone else thrown into the concentration camps, not just the jews.

have actually read second generation accounts? I am not Jewish, but I have read a few books that make clear there was an awful lot of trauma, beyond what most "regular" people have. still I don't know the lawsuit is a good idea. when DIRECT victims of a crime sue their perpetrators, they often don't win. ex. children suing parents who raped them. even with a lot of evidence, those lawsuits went nowhere and now are virtually guaranteed to fail. will the victims of Virginia Tech sue the Cho family? they might not collect. the family appears to be very sincerely shocked and appalled. yes the Holocaust is much worse than a crime against an individual, but making the case that people who were not alive during the Holocaust should pay for the second generation's needs - I think that's tough. I am also afraid this will increase criticism of survivors. I can just SEE Germany going through each survivor's pre-war background with a fine-tooth comb and saying "ah ha, your family had post-war pathology! PROVE to us that it was the Holocaust!" even though that argument may be ridiculous, it will probably convince people.

when are israeli jews going to give such a generous treatment to palestinians ?

People are really getting sick and tired of this..What next..the native americans, blacks, palestinians, the former european colonies..the list goes on and on. Move forward and stop antagonizing people. Its getting really old. It looks like some clever lawyers decided they can make a bit of money here..

Hey, if I join your team, can I get some free money too???

In other words, we will soon have a permanent class of people who feel they are permanently owed compensation for something that happened before they were born, to be paid by people who were not alive back when it happened, via a government that did not exist at the time.

America is still a rich country. Why not have them pay for the damages if the Germans can not? They can have a portion of the income tax set aside and given to us. They wont even miss it.