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To understand why evil exists in our world. Instead of asking where was Hashem, ask Where was American/British/Israeli Jewry during the time of the Shoah? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO PREVENT ANOTHER SHOAH?

The Good Rabbi is giving advise of how to avoid tragedy. The Rabbi was correct in protesting the withdrawels of Gush Katif and Wye and the rest of the fire sale of Israel. If we would only listen to him at least lets listen to him now. Reform is just ripping out large portions of Almighties words and telling the Almighty we are setting the rules and not the you Almighty. Let the three stooges in the picture learn true authentic Judaism may be they will do teshuva.

Disgusting

Go put on a Orange TLAY you psychopath

Shoah was caused by not enough people reading the Zohar.

He said that they were generaly responsable. As pointed out many chasidim also died. It is however also true that Judaism does not beleave that suffering happens for no reason. When Am Yisrael rebels from the laws of God and "Love your neigbor like yourself" and we embrace a culture like the German culture before the Hollocaust, God brings us back. As also pointed out, this has always been the case, from the times of the bible to today. What are we waiting for?

and that's why Hashem used them to do this horrifying wicked deed. The Talmud says: "megalgalin choivoh al yedei chayov" Messengers to carry out a bad deed is sent through bad people. Rabbi Eliyahu is 100% right. It's the Reform movement, assimilation and disregarding the existence of G-d that caused G-d's wrath to flame up against His children. They deserved punishment. Who, if not the wicked Germans, should G-d have sent to punish them?

This reminds me of a couple years ago when some Orthodox claimed the one shooting attack happend because the mezozot wasn't properly attached to a door, so shooters could enter. *rolls eyes* If the actions of Jews caused God to make the Holocaust, it would be the Orthodox ADDING the Talmud to scripture which was forbiden in the Torah.

Rav Eliyohu simply restated what the Torah says many times--"If you transgress G-D's laws-- Sabbath , kashruth, etc.--You will be punished." The Reform movement openly espouses transgressing the laws of the Torah.

I am proud of my neighbors for fighting this. Its about time that "rabbis" with filthly mounts and filthy hearts be exposed as charletans.

Sadly we have our share of crazies, too, who are often our own worse enemy! A shanda for the savages like Ahmadinejad, Le Pen, et al.

oh well, if the rabbi says it is so, then it is so.

Many jewish religious leaders are becomming more and more like their muslim counterpart. They both incite and spread hatred. Today he is being pro Iranian and denying the Holocost, tomorow he will incite againt ashkinazi jews and next week against left wingers, and so on...

Yes this is one of the more subtle forms of antisemitism the kind of stuff one would expect from the lunatic fringe literalist orthodox extremists

Is there any wonder that most Jews are not "religious"? Jews will not accept the leadership of people whose minds are that of the unelightened and uneducated past.

for "spiritual leaders". There are plenty of "spiritual leaders" around but they're not what you want because true "spiritual leaders" are G-d fearing Jews. Reform people can never be "spiritual leaders" since they're ALL lacking the main qualification: that of being G-d fearing religious Jews.

Harav Mordechai, Israel's foremost Kabbalist leader, giant in Torah knowledge, pillar of Halacha and the son of Rav Soleiman, Israel's former leading Kabbalist leader, the brother of Rav Na'im, Tzadik Nistar, can say things that we, with our simple minds and backgrounds, may not understand. We do not have to take his words as gospel but we must treat him and his words with the great respect he has earned. Who is Michael Sheizaf and what has he accomplished in his life to become the judge and jury of Harav Mordechai? Moreover, how were Rav Mordechai's words unpeaceful and inciteful? He did not (in this most recent statement) incite anyone to act against anything. Rav Mordechai's demeanor has always been peaceful and spiritul. He welcomes everyone with a smile and I have never in my life seen him angry.

the Jewish religion, and the Torah but you also really changed around the words of the Rabbi. The Rabbi did NOT deny the Holocaust. It definitely happened. All he said was it only happened in Germany and in Europe alone (excluding the Separdim whom were not reformed) because of the reformed movement which started there. He also said that everything good and bad that happens in the world has a reason. Nothing in the world can happen without G-ds approval. As Jewish people, we all know we are persecuted for that reason. We also know from our Torah that when we turn away from G-d He as well turns His back on us. The world wanted to destroy Jews centuries before the Nazis and even after the Nazis. Today they seek to destroy you. G-d is holding them back from doing so because He is merciful and has patience for you to return to Him. However don't turn away from Him like the reformed movement did.

Grow up, noone said deny. Stop changing around everything. I am with the Rabbi on this one.

To the reform Jews, if you would just study the Jewish history, you will learn that the rabbi said nothing new. In the time of the Temples (and before & after), the prophets warned the Jews STOP sinning or else....... when the destruction of the first temple occurred and many Jews were killed, there were those (like we see today) who said it just happened, it is NOT the hand of G-D... But must of the Jewish nations understood it was their sins that caused the great tragedy. Perplexed…???? If our sins caused our troubles and prosecution why are the Egyptians, Babylon’s, Romans, Germans & others liable for what they did? Answer….. The Talmud speaks about it in GITIN 56A (you can look it up your self here http://e-daf.com/index.asp ). It brings down that Niron came to destroy Jerusalem and the temple, he shot his arrow to East, West, North & South and Miraculously they all fell in Jerusalem, from that he concluded that G-d gave over Jerusalem to be destroyed, HOWEVER even Niron feared G-d and he asked a child to say a passage from the Torah/Bible (so perhaps get another sign that he can go ahead and destroy Jerusalem) Niron is shocked: The child answer shocked him. The child said I learned "G-d said I will give revenge to the Adomiats for what they did to the Jewish children/nation... " (From the Prophet Yechezkel 25). Niron's reaction: Niron said G-d wants to destroy his house, however the one who will destroy it will be prosecuted, which does not make any sense. Niron however thought about it and came to a different conclusion then most people would of. Perhaps the Jews sinned and are deserving of the horrible punishment, but you (i.e. Niron) don’t be the bad guy to do it and if you are than indeed you will get punished, THE WORLD IS NOT FREE PLACE, ONE CAN NOT DO WHAT EVER HE/SHE WANTS. Niron ran away and consequently converted to Judaism and his descendent was the great Rabbi Mayer Baal Haness. Maimonadies speaks about this issue at length, he asks why were the Egyptian punished since it was the will from G-d that the Jews be in Exile and be prosecuted. Look it up Conclusion: The Troubles of the Jews DOES come because of their sins and the reform movement is just that SINNERS, they do what ever they want and ignore the Torah/Bible, and fight against it. However it does NOT give Germany or others a right to be the BAD GUY and prosecute the Jews and if they do they should & will be held accountable and will surely be punished by G-d. The rabbi surely did NOT intend to incite, He and we all would like to see the reform Jews go back to their beautiful heritages and follow the whole Torah and be blessed by it.

people from all religions talk a lot of illogical nonsense and say stupid things that have no foundation in reality. The reason for this is that they live within a very closed world whose parameters start and end within the pages of a few dozen books, at most. In the Hebrew language the two words that are used to describe the dedication of a person to his God are an absolute perfect description of the paradigim within which these people live and exist. Sgida and oved. Nothing else exists. They go through life with a heavy yoke around their neck which constrains them and forces them to tred life in the narrow confines of a corridor, no left and no right, only what the book says and only how the great sages interpret it. The unfortunate pronouncements of this particular Rabbi from time to time are a direct consequence of his sgida and avdut. Sad to hear statements like this coming from a "sage".

This doesn't excuse the comments made by this individual. This is typical of blinkered arcane attitudes that sadly still exist within Israel's proud democracy. It says little for the religious tolerance and pluralism Israel likes to imagine it reflects. But it also says much about the insecurity of Israeli orthodoxy in the face of the obvious success of progressive Judaism in Israel that sucvh a figure wouild make such a comment. Orthodoxy's hegemony is obviously shaky.

Men can not do whatever they want. If G'od decided who is His people,it is not up to men to include or exclude ,at their own pleasure ,who belongs or not to HIM.(All humanity belong to Him actually,but everyone with its own mission and portion) Is there somebody who can explain that atrocity of the holocaust? Is there somebody who can explain deadly earthquakes where millions die? Is there somebody who can explain the Tsunami? Is there somebody who can explain what Pol Pot did to cambojans?.... So...,maybe if we Jews didn't do what we were supposed to,the G'od's wrath was shown. Same happen in our particular lives:if we don't act in the way we are supposed to ,we suffer,and that suffering ,depending on our acts,can be light or extraordinarily heavy and painful.

shut up. A chillul hashem. What this brain dead idiot never experienced was a Hitler. Had he,and had he survived he would have spoken with much greater respect.

He knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool, shun him. So much for Rabbi Eliyahu who has soiled the memory of holocaust vicitms.

I am far from Reform and can not stomach what the Rabbi said! The babies, children, women and elderly were tortured and killed because of the failure of some to adhere to his interpretation of the Torah! To accuse G-d of this level of cruelty is Hillul Hashem. If you folks who support the Rabbi's statement really believe that all those innocents deserved the death they got because of the reform movement than you are no different than Hitler himself! It is evil, simply put. G-d would have spared Sodom and Gamorah if Abraham could have shown more than 5 righteous people! You want me to believe millions of innocents died because of the reform movement? If that is Judiasm.. I am no longer a Jew! Thank G-d it isn't and most of us don't believe that!

he has facts of the Torah to prove it. All you Rabbi haters let us see you prove him wrong. Prove that it was not assimilation of the reformed movement that caused it. Prove that Hitler started a world war because of the sephardim in Middle East and not the jews from his own country. He might have been a madman but he was a smart one. And if you are so convinced the Rabbi and the Torah is wrong even if you can't prove it so just keep doing what you're doing because with the way you anti G-d idiots are running it we are right before another world war and hitler of Iran saying the same things that hitler said before WWII.

The Chief Rabbis statement is quite sane. As for german responsibility, that poses no problem. There were many instances where individuals were in a position to hurt Jews and declined. They didn't want to be G-D's punishing rod against Israel. That is every individual or country's right. The germans chose otherwise.

As a Sephardi, I am sorry on behalf of all Sephardim for this statement by the Rav. The Nazis killed the Jews because the Nazis exercised their God-given right to choose between good and evil, and sadly they chose evil. Having said this, I still absolutely believe in God. God was there in the Holocaust, and is still here and will never leave, and is always with us, and all humanity, now and forever. I am not alone in this believe. Victor Frankl, a holocaust survivor, never gave up his belief in Hashem. It's discussed in his book "Man's search for meaning". I am sorry that Rav Eliahu has chosen not to talk in the kind, gentle, welcoming way that our Sephardic rabbonim used to speak. Even though I am not Orthodox, I believe that the mitzvot do have great value. However, Rav Eliahu is just pushing people away from traditional Judaism by his recent statement. What he should have said was "The Holocaust was a great tragedy. However, we re-affirm our faith in Hashem. We believe that God has a plan for all of us in the universe. The Nazis killed the Jews because the Nazis were extremely bad horrendous people who exercised their God-given right to chose between good and evil and they chose evil. Because good people in other countries were silent, evil prospered. We still re-affirm the majesty and omnipotence of the Eternal Creator of the universe."