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Hizbullah says prisoner swap talks with Israel 'serious'
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Published: 23.04.07, 07:31
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1. They will release Kuntar.
Ken Jurist   (04.23.07)
A bunch of pathetic leaders. This is why they barred the Kahane's. These current leaders would have released Eichmann if they had the chance. Kuntar would have been sent to Hell if the Kahane's ran Israel. Its so stupid Israel has no dealth penalty.
2. oxymoron - Naim Kassem
(04.23.07)
3. equal?
(04.23.07)
kassem says, "...there can be no solution to the prisoners' issue except through AN EQUAL EXCHANGE that will release our prisoners...." I THINK HE FAILED HIS MATH COURSE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, OR SHOWS EXTREME STUPIDITY AND IMBECILIC MORONIC CALCULATIONS. how is releasing 2 israeli soldiers CAPTURED ON OUR SOIL be equal to ALL THE LEBANESE PRISONERS???? there is never an end to arab stupidity and moronic brains, if you can call their gray matter brains.
4. to save lives - eliminate nasrallah now
(04.23.07)
5. NO!
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (04.23.07)
"Organization's deputy leader stresses two kidnapped Israeli soldiers will be freed only in exchange for freedom of all Lebanese prisoners held in Israel" The Arabs make outrageous demands to return Jews that they had no right to abduct in the first place and have no right to hold as hostages in the second place. What Chutzpa! They are making demands upon us? We must be making demands on them! We must make it clear to them that if our soldiers are not released immediately, the consequences for the Arabs will be most serious. They will pay dearly for keeping captive our people. We must not submit to these outrageous demands lest they become emboldened and do it again and again until we will have to give them the moon.
6. It was a big mistake to arrest Samir Kuntar,...
Bernd ,   Germany   (04.23.07)
...to begin with. His arrest has caused and will cause a lot of grief. Of course I can understand that decision making was difficult at that time on that beach. But there have been 20 years passing with a lot of opportunity for 'creative' hooded solutions... Bernd, Germany, Old Europe
7. They have nothing to lose
m   (04.23.07)
Because Israel values life and treats her prisoners with respect, these have the upper hand. You are not even convinced your soldiers are still alive. I believe all access and privileges should be cut off those you are holding , until you are sure your fellows are alive, before you even go any further with this charade
8. to # 5
mike ,   Leb   (04.23.07)
I just want to remind, just in case you didn't notice, that isreal was defeated laste summer as it tried to "make it clear to them that if our soldiers are not released immediately, the consequences for the Arabs will be most serious. They will pay dearly for keeping captive our people. "
9. to # 3
mike ,   leb   (04.23.07)
in the end, i guess the arab 'stupidity' will make sure that 'there can be no solution to the prisoners' issue except through AN EQUAL EXCHANGE that will release our prisoners....', mark his words, he is not Olmert, he is not a liar or a polititian, he does what he says
10. So Hez started a War that killed>1000 Leb&did big damage
for 4 criminals ,   Alan SA   (04.23.07)
11. To Mike #8
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (04.23.07)
What do you propose Israel do? If we give in to these demands, then we will be encouraging further kidnapping. Is there a way to make peace with these people? If there is, let me know.
12. #8 and 9 - Mike
(04.23.07)
So why the disproportionate number of prisoners for the IDF soldiers? Fair is only fair. Also, to get into symantics, Israel was not defeated but FAILED its objective. That was a 'win' for Hezbolloh, granted. However it is illogical to imply that since Israel failed, then Hizbollah won and thus, Hizbollah defeated Israel. You make it sound like Hizbollah routed IDF troops, which wasn't the case. Israel 'lost' due to political incompetence and not authorizing the ground forces in necessary fashion. Olmert was insane to think that the IDF could win simply on air power. (That said, much respect to the ground forces deployed, they did a fantastic job regardless.) Olmert and crew tucked tail and ran as soon as the UN and EU started with 'disproportionate force' and 'illegal' claims.
13. Serious Swap!
cccw7 ,   USa   (04.23.07)
The Return to pre -Exodus living... Isn't it all too obvious?! Sure Free ALL the prisoners..Why not and lets make a James Bond Vehicle to facilitate their drive home.
14. To #3, Use your brain!
Harry ,   Kansas   (04.23.07)
What he means little boy is that if Israel wants all their prisoners, it is only fair that Lebanon gets back all their prisoners! I love the way you have the word EQUAL in capital letters. Why don't you compare the prisoners in israeli prisons and lebanese prisons and tell me if it is EQUAL!!!!!!!!!!
15. #8
(04.23.07)
omg, do you really believe what u just said? unbelievable. the only infinite thing in life is "stupidity" ... and you own it!
16. Samir Kuntar
Harry ,   Land of Oz   (04.23.07)
This only proves Hizbullah does not really want peace. It is all a ploy to wear down their enemy. By wearing down their enemy, they get what they really want.. victory. Samir Kuntar is a vile and wicked murderer who does not deserve to live. The fact Israel did not kill him when it had the chance shows how much compassion it has for all human beings no matter how detestable they are. Israel, face reality. If the only way to get your boys home is to give up Kuntar, you may as well accept they are not coming home. To give up Kuntar is to concede defeat.
17. Like it or not, but Hizbollah...
Ari ,   Jerusalem   (04.23.07)
are the only Arabs who know how to deal with Israel and knows how to twist Israel's arms where it hurts! Sad truth but it is the truth!
18. to # 11
mike ,   leb   (04.23.07)
man why is it always war? why don't you just give them the lebanese men that you have in your prisons. And really, one of the mistakes that you can do is to underestimate your enemy, and start looking at him as an animal or sub human beings becuase this will effect your judgments. One of the reasons why hezbollah is so powerful is that those guys know excatly what isreal is. they listen and monitor whats happening to isreal, the read your news, they watch your tv's, they listen to the heart beat of the isreal nation. when was the last time that anyone in isreal tried to know more about hizbllah, or is it enough to listen to the propaganda of the isreal media and just copy what they have to say? my advice to you is to go and know more about those people, and you can do that not by listening to what olmert has to say but by looking at what their comunity has to say about them.
19. to # 12
Mike ,   leb   (04.23.07)
my God...what a shame... when was it that failing an objective is not a defeat? Hizbollah didn't destroy Isreal. Hizbollah won the battle. Years ago, one of your prime ministers said that the arabs don't read...which also implies that they don't think. I tell you know, as a nation, so that you don't add another defeat on the july war defeat...please read, please learn why you where defeated. You where defeated not becuase there was an error in the tactics or a bad decision, but becauase of your obsession with power and war!! the july war wouldn't have happened if you didn;t have lebenese people in your jails. There wouldn't have been any hezbollah if isreal didnt invade leb in 1978
20. #19 Hisbollah
Bernd ,   Germany   (04.23.07)
"You where defeated not becuase there was an error in the tactics or a bad decision, but becauase of your obsession with power and war!!" This is wrong. Israel was attacked from outside its borders and hit back. It is that easy. Israel did not win because it's military power was crippled by international pressure. There would be no Hisbollah any more if Israel would be allowed to do what is necessary to eliminate this terrorist scum. "There wouldn't have been any hezbollah if isreal didnt invade leb in 1978" There wouldn't have been any invasion if Israel was not attacked from Lebanon. Same today as yesterday, one could say... Bermd, Germany, Old Europe
21. To Mike of Lebanon
dd   (04.23.07)
Just to make you feel fine, Israel has never been defeated by Hezbollah in spite of the problems encountered during LWII. All these problems have been amply discussed by previous posters from around the world and not one of them has ever had the delusional idea that Israel lost in this war. On the contrary, Hezbollah, this diminutive terrorist militia ( a state within Lebanon ) suffered more losses than you can imagine. Also, they caused their country immense problems of all other kinds which they will one day have to be accountable for and stand trial for. Day will come for that, don't worry. They are also considered by the world as common terrorist criminals who illegally broke through internationally recognized borders and abducted two soldiers. So, what the hell do they want ? What equality does their second-in-command criminal talk about ? Kuntar ? One cannot ever equate a blood thirsty murderer who was caught red-handed and, by the way, who was not executed on the spot, with two law-abiding Israeli soldiers driving on an Israeli road. This will never happen Mike even though your sympathies run with these terrorists. Wake up, maybe you'll learn proportions if you don't care for arithmetics.
22. # 20
Mike ,   leb   (04.23.07)
"This is wrong. Israel was attacked from outside its borders and hit back. It is that easy. Israel did not win because it's military power was crippled by international pressure. There would be no Hisbollah any more if Israel would be allowed to do what is necessary to eliminate this terrorist scum." Well i guess 33 days of of green light from the US and the UK can be considered international pressure. for 33 days and the UN didn't even condemn the attacks and you come and tell me international pressure. for 33 days and the US was sending you smart bombs and you tell me international pressure. for 33 days and france was giving you ok for an attack on syria (Haaretz). My fried, it was 33 days of international support. Listen to what Boltun had to say. And please when they are out, listen and read the confessions of Olmert and how he will describe all the support he got from Arab and international Leaders. "There wouldn't have been any invasion if Israel was not attacked from Lebanon. Same today as yesterday, one could say..." There wouldn't have been any attacks from Lebanon to Isreal before the invasion if you hadn't kicked out the palestinians for Palestine in the 1948 into lebanon. try useing a memory that would go before a year from now!! Yes, Same today as yesterday, one could say...
23. # 21...dd :-p
Mike ,   leb   (04.23.07)
Well if that is not considered defeat. Well i am not sure what defeat would look like. Cheif of staff resigns. PM like a coward trying to avoid the probe of the war. 2 kidnapped soldiers are still with hizbollah. Haifa attacked for the first time. More than one military base attacked for the firs time in history. And since when was not winning the war and reaching its objectives not a defeat. Trust me, its a bigger victory for hizbollah when you claim that you wheren't defeated. It will only show how weak you are and how fragile your community and Army is. If you are a strong nation, then you would just go ahead and fix what went wrong and not just put your head in the sand and claim that you wheren't defeated. My friend, Peretz is the one who will never forget the name of nasrallah and not vice versa. And hey, i am the one who lives in Lebanon, I know what hizbollah won, and what hezbollah lost. 1.5 million civilian lebanese (Moslems and christians) attended the victory festival on 22 of Sept. And another 2 million attended the oposition demonstration held on 11 Dec 2006. Whether you like it or not, the 2 soldiers are still with Hizbollah. And whether you like it or not, you won't get them unless with a swap with all the lebanese kidnapped in your jails. Its about time that you know what your anemy is really made up of, and what the true values are, its easy to just say or tag them as terrorists. It just frees you of the obligation of thinking and looking closer
24. #22 I am not buying it
Bernd ,   Germany   (04.23.07)
"Well i guess 33 days of of green light from the US and the UK can be considered international pressure." etc. That is your perception. As an non-involved outsider my impression was that Israel was restraining itself as much as possible to avoid too much bloodshed and to avoid being bullied around by the so-called international community. Because that's what usually happens: Arab attack, Israel responds & takes the blame. "if you hadn't kicked out the palestinians for Palestine in the 1948 into lebanon." Come on, that's childish. With this attitude you will not solve any of the open questions. Moreover, you can use this as a (historically wrong) pretext for endless violence and conflict. I'd rather see it from plitical point of view, and from this point of view the Lebanese attack on Israel last year triggered a sensless and useless war through which nothing was achieved. Bernd, Germany, Old Europe
25. to Reuven, Raanana
rami, nablus   (04.23.07)
i like ur innocence..... as if u're such a pacifist ....."is there a way to make peace with these ppl" oh, poor guy........u JUST want to know if there is such a way....don't you? try guessing.....hint: UN resolutions, self determination, end collective punishement.....i'll let u figure out the rest on ur own...then again....u probably know it all........
26. #8
(04.23.07)
and i would like to remind you that the consequences to lebanon were indeed severe. 1000 plus dead infrastructure gone south beirut a desert 500 plus hizbullah gone public opinion against hizbullah in lebanon rising siniora government still ruling nasrallah still in bunker any more?
27. #9
(04.23.07)
nasrallah also wanted to do what he said and hoped....to topple the saniora government. but he didn't succeed, did he? you'll get some unimportant prisoners back, but israel will never give you back your killers in jail. the sane and developed world, unlike the arab world has different values and rules of conduct and do not have mock court and justice systems like those rediculous ones in arab lands. you will never see the likes of barghuti or samir kuntar given back to get our soldiers back. it'll never happen. olmert or not.
28. Mike, leb
Harry ,   Land of Oz   (04.23.07)
All of your postings point to the same thing. You desire a psychological victory over your enemies. You wish to prove that your side is mentally stronger than their side. No matter how much Lebanon bled for 34 days, you don't care as long as you get to make Israel bleed a little. And now you wish to rub salt into that wound to irritate Israel a little more. The Israelis are awash with anguish and self criticism for anything that went wrong. They greive for their fallen and captured soldiers. But your side doesn't care for your fallen. You think they are now in Paradise, or maybe not. It doesn't matter because you got to bloody Israels' nose and can't wait to do it again. Some of us see through your mind game.
29. To Harry # 28
Mike ,   Leb   (04.24.07)
To the some of you who see through my mind game. As Bolton said, ‘we kept on giving isreal time to finish the job, till it was obvious that it can’t accomplish the Job. And then we started working on a UN resolution’ I am not going to repeat what i said, you can read them again if you want. Its obvious now to the whole world that the war in 2006 didn't start because Hizbollah kidnapped the two soldiers. Even Olmert confessed that the plans where set before hand. If the resignation of the chief of staff + the coming resignation of Isreal’s PM or deference minister or even both as a direct result of the war. If having two million isreals in shelter under ground and in the south of isreal. If Haifa was hit for the first time in history, if isreal didn’t hit Beirut because it was afraid that nasrallah will hit back telabib. If the poles in isreal show that most Isreal’s trust what nasrallah says more than olmert…and and and…if all of this is just getting bloody Israels' nose….well then I think that isreal is just the nose! Not to mention the soldiers and the ships/ helicopters that where shut down. Yes, there was a time when Israel was mentally stronger than the Arabs. That’s how they got Palestine, that’s how they won in 1967, that’s how they invaded leb in 1978/82. But things changed since then. Yes we are mentally stronger and that is why you will not defeat hisbollah, never ever (refer to peretz and levni’s comments after the war ‘no army is capable of defeating hisbollah’). Any isreali hand that would try to go into Lebanon will be cut as it had been. You will not get our waters. You will not get the two prisoners. And you will not defeat us. And we are smarter than you. Maybe the 1200 person who fell in Lebanon are in heaven and maybe not. But at least they fell for a good cause. They died on Lebanese soil, in their houses, in their shelters not on enemy soil. They didn’t choose to die, they didn’t even choose the war. Under no law is the kidnap of two soldiers an incentive to destroy another country. The plans where already set by the Isreal government. And in the end, it wasn’t for nothing, nasrallah still has the two soldiers. And just the name Nasrallah frightens the hell out of isreal.
30. to # 27
Mike ,   Leb   (04.24.07)
well the trial of Azmi Bshara is a clear evidance of the values and rules of conduct of the developed countries. About the saniora government. Well, the fight is not over yet. maybe he does it and maybe not. No one is saying that he God. But lets wait and see. Saniora is backed by the international community and the opposition is backed by at 60 % of the population. Olmert or not. I think it will be ‘or not’ coz Olmert won’t be there till then, he won’t survive. And by the way, don’t you know that Arial Sharon already agreed on the swap with Kontar given that some info would be given about Ron Arad. Also, lets wait and see. If kontar wasn’t released then the two isrealis will not be released. Its fair that way. Don’t you think? Lets wait and see. Even if you hate him, even if you think he will rotten in the depth of Hell, Nasrallah has proven to be a very good and keen player and one of the main figures in the middle east if not the world.
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