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The Sanhedrin’s peace initiative
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 01.05.07, 20:48
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31. Thus saith the Lord
Rich ,   Hamilton, USA   (05.02.07)
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. (Isa 1:11-20) You must be washed in the blood of the Lamb. His name is Jesus.
32. Building the temple
Brod ,   USA   (05.03.07)
The Sandhedrins are 2000 years too late. GOD has done away the sacrificial ceremony and the usefulness of the temple when the Lamb of GOD took the ultimate sacrifice for the salvation of humanity on the CROSS. Read Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Micah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi, Matthew, Mark, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Peter, Timothy and Revelation. See the following websites: http://www.shalach.org/PropheciesTable/prophecieslist2.htm http://biblia.com/jesusbible/isaiah2.htm http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm http://biblia.com/jesusbible/psalms-prophecies.htm http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/m_prophecies.shtml
33. The Temple WILL be rebuilt but in G-d's time
(05.03.07)
34. #31 Which Lord?
CC ,   USA   (05.03.07)
Jesus the SunGod? For the Jesus you call the Jew never existed! IT is all Astro-theology! Demand from the VATICAN TO TELL THE TRUTH. 1700 years of utter lies is long enough. This is going from bad to worst! How sick is it going to be to slaughter animals in a temple for Jesus the SUN GOD! While you are at it, maybe you will include Allah, the MOON GOD TOO! and slaughter some more. This is despicable! Utterly ready for the asylum yes!
35. 1967 in the Tanakh (link)
Daniel - Atlanta ,   USA   (05.03.07)
http://www.trailplace.com/Daniel8.pdf
36. Brod, USA
Marcel Abel ,   France   (05.03.07)
Thank you in Jesus Christ. The Lord bless you and all those who are dear to you.
37. 29-30 Torah requires one's utmost; Everyone can do that
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
In the Shema, Torah instructs: "You shall love ha-Sheim with *all* your heart, with *all* your nephesh (psyche or soul) and with *all* of your utmost. And these words that I command-as-mitzwot today shall be on your heart..." One's utmost is something that is within everyone's reach and situation. When you do your utmost to keep His mitzwot (commandments in Torah), then, Torah instructs, in His Graciousness, ha-Sheim provides kipur (expiation) to bridge your shortfall -- but only when you do your utmost. When you fail to do your utmost, you must make teshuvah (return to keeping Torah), which restores you to the previous paragraph. The on-line translation I recommend, since you can't read the Torah or Tanakh, is the Hebrew-English text found at: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm (For those who prefer hardcopy, I recommend the Artscroll Stone Edition Hebrew-English, which enables students to begin relating to the Hebrew.) As I mentioned in my previous message, this isn't the proper forum for this. Most readers probably aren't interested in this discussion and it is off topic from the article. Please consult your local Orthodox rabbi or we can discuss it further in my blog (in our Convention Center, in the website below) where we invite and welcome inquiries from the public. Keep up the good progress. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
38. 32 Brod's Xn Idolatry
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
No Scripture allows even for the *possibility* of the Xn idol while every Scripture that instructs concerning teachers, Neviyim or the Mashiakh prohibits the Xn idol. All of the other citations you listed are irrelevant and idolatrous "sources" no different from the Quran, the Book of Mormon, the Watchtower, Hindu or Buddhists texts, etc. If you can't make your case from Scripture you're wasting everyone's time with idolatrous obfuscation. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
39. #34 CC, USA
Me ,   Los Angeles   (05.03.07)
?!? Are you from the Asylum?!? You talk like them.
40. 27 Satan/Statan Doesn't Mean "Stop"
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
According to Klein's Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English, The verb שטן (satan) means impugning, accusing or acting as an adversary. The noun שטן (satan or Satan) means an impugner, accuser or adversary. Keep in mind, before presuming to teach, that most people in this country are Hebrew-speaking Jews. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
41. 34 Allah is NOT a "moon g*od"
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
Doubtless, you refer to the pre-Muhamad pagan religion of the Arabs -- who worshipped a moon-g*od. The Ka'ab is a renovated temple of the Arabs' pre-Muhamad moon-g*od. However, Allah is the Arabic cognate of the Hebrew Eloha, an unused singular form of Elohim. Not only is it, therefore, blasphemy to charge that Allah is, le-havdil, a "moon g*od," it wrongly fuels the conflict with Muslim Arabs. Islam is a displacement theology and, thus, like Xy in that respect. However, unlike pagan Hellenist Roman Xy, Islam is not idolatrous. The only difference between Yisraeil and Eisaw is the berit of Torah. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
42. #32 Brod, USA
Me ,   Los Angeles   (05.03.07)
You seem to confuse Jews with Gentiles and 2 different plans G'd has with each of them. Jews are still Jews and still in G'd's plan and work. All those books you listed, read them again and again and again, maybe who knows.. even you will see the light!
43. #28 Ron, AR, USA
Me ,   Los Angeles   (05.03.07)
Israel Rules! May The G'd of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless them forever! Love you Israel and bless you! Hallelujah!
44. Jesus Christ
a christian   (05.03.07)
Jesus Christ is the One that all people need. No Temple. No sacrifices. Jesus Christ was/is the ultimate sacrifice for the salvation of man. Temples can be built, aliances can be made, covenants established and plans drawn from the hand of man but what will prevail will be God's will. And God's will is that everyone worships the Son like they worship the Father because he who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. No one can reach the Eternal God except through Jesus of Narazeth, the One Who is One with the Father. It doesn't matter if some of you believe this or not because whatever your opinion is it won't change the truth. Truth is imutable, unchangable. I have told you the truth. Congratulation to ynetnews if you allow this comment to be published. Keep an eye on US aircraft carriers. Peace in Jesus Christ
45. #40 Satan also refers to EGO if you knew Torah!!
(05.03.07)
Refer to Rev 2:9 and 3:9 in your translation! A total discrace to your "ribi" whom you claim to represent. Anyone 'self appointed' just as those listed above cannot be legitimate. It's only their ego or Satan who appointed them. You will see.
46. I have a pain in the Temple
Abe ,   N.Y., New York   (05.03.07)
Hey, instead of a temple, how about building a palacial kosher fast-food emporium and call it McTemple. This holy enterprise would draw hundreds of thousands of hungry people while concurrently employing thousands of unskilled, unemployed haredi cohanim and levites. I can just see the prophetic visions ... the sinner approaches the fast sacrifice counter and orders a frank on a bun. The cohain removes the burger from the bun and methodicaly cuts off the tips at both ends, reserving them for his shabbos chulent. The ketchup packets are slashed open and the insides shpritzed at the base of the hand washing station as an atonement for permitting the sinner's wife to purchase immodest clothes. And on Yom Kipur thousands would be drawn to the fried chicken sacrifice ... with special sacrificial mustard packets. Oh ! for the good old days of Sodom and Gemorah !
47. Paqid #38
Brod ,   USA   (05.03.07)
GOD is against idolatry. The Holy Bible is against idolatry. You seem not to know your Holy Bible. Why don't you read your Holy Bible? The texts listed on the websites are from the Holy Bible. Read your Holy Bible and verify the texts yourself.
48. 47 Brod: These are NOT in the Holy Bible:
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
"Matthew, Mark, John, Acts, Romans, Hebrews, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Peter, Timothy and Revelation. " Neither are the Xn websites you listed. This is Israel and Jews, not Xns & church. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
49. Paqid, Sorry but YOU are off subject !
(05.03.07)
First thank you for the link. I will visit it but I can't say just now I will use it. Most important : when someone ask my help, I never rebuke him. You have not realized what amyotrophic lateral sclerosis means. I hated to tell it but ask yourself or remember why I made this step to tell it you. You are smart but you have no insight of/and you don't want to have, of those people who have no social life any longer because of their debilitating disease, such people suffer day after day and you suggest they visit your site... Even that is too hard some days. Of course it's not the place here to debate it, but where is my place, our place ? Too much learning has blocked your heart as to many riches blocked the young man called by Jesus. If a Rabbi visits me in France near Geneva, I will welcome him with great pleasure, the same for any priest, pastor. But what I need most is to continue my heart-to-heart dialog with Jesus the only one who takes my yoke, comforts me and brings me slowly beyond life to the Father without first requiring new skills. He visits me and comforts me beyond your imagination. But you cannot understand that. When my life is not worth living, and I say it to myself, I instantly feel His comforting me, giving me forces to continue, where physicians admit their impotency with commending honesty. I respect them, but they smile when I tell them I found Jesus (over 50 years ago) and He is some doctor. Paqid you started to open your heart and suddenly you let come out again your smart spirit. How disheartening is such behavior but so comprehensible. May I say it, you have to learn patience and humility, but I tell you that with love. The true living God is Jesus of Nazareth, the God made man in the flesh of Holy Mary. He is the unique way to God the Father, Jesus is the unique image of Him. "Who sees me, sees the Father." The Bible continues to bedazzle us: "Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is" (1 John 3:1-2). I have been a teacher too, Paqid, but I never considered any student being off the subject whatever the time and any event when he/she asked for help. Jesus saw Peter, he came closer, said : "you", follow me, and Peter followed him immediately : that is faith. But here no science, not my poor words can express it. Blame me because of my words, believe me, I do my "utmost", but nobody can kill Jesus in me, in all my brothers and sisters, in all those who want to know him : just open the door when He knocks. If I'm WRONG, does it matter for you ? If Jesus is RIGHT, I hope we meet one day in the Realm. Au revoir Paqid, It was a pleasure to meet you on the line.
50. Paqid #48
Brod ,   USA   (05.03.07)
Since you are not familiar with the New Testaments, you can read those Books listed in the Old Testaments such as Psalms, Genesis, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Zechariah, Joel, Hosea, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Amos, Haggai, Daniel and Malachi.
51. IS RELIGION OPIUM FOR THE PEOPLE ?
(05.03.07)
52. #49 good post
(05.04.07)
I believe this is Marcel. I must say, I am an Orthodox Jew, and don't follow the christian jesus. Actually, it offends me to say the least. Following the historical Jew is another issue. Anyway, I have tried explain how the historical Jew would talk to Jews and then later his followers spoke and taught Torah to Gentiles and in my humble opinion the 'paqid' does not speak, act like Yehoshua or even that of what our forefathers describe as who has a Jewish soul. It simply is totally contrary to Moshe, Torah, Yehoshua etc. Now, some of his research is earthshaking to say the least and you should read at least parkes book. I speak of the historical Jew all the time within the Jewish community, it's no problem, only when a Christianized version by others comes up, then I like most Jews will react. Don't judge Torah by the paqid, it disgusting behaviour to me also. The historical Jew was Mashiakh ben Yoseph, but not ben David, that's still coming. I can't get into further details here but go study, be kind, follow at least the 10 commandments in Exodus 20 and you will be well on your way. good luck.
53. 50 Brod: I've xlated entire NT from ALL earliest extant mss.
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (05.03.07)
which is *certainly* more than you can say. I seriously doubt you're as familiar with the NT as I am. I read Tanakh in the original language and doubt you can read it at all. I've read, and am familiar with, ALL of the Tanakh, which is FAR more than you are. Further, it is wrong and offensive to arrogantly presume that your NT supersedes Torah -- Xn displacement theology, which you imply in your use of the phrase "Old Testament." It is the *Original Testament* and your NT is the Null Testament, which contradicts Torah and is impossibly incompatible with Torah. Therefore, the NT cannot *possibly* be true. It is you who need to demonstrate your case from Tanakh. I think you'll probably have to learn how to read it first? Certainly, it's arrogant and presumptuous to suppose that you, injecting Hellenist Xn idolatry context for your interpretations, know Torah better than those who authored it, handed down its interpretations and read it proficiently. Build your case from Torah. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
54. Paqid #53
Brod ,   USA   (05.04.07)
You claim to have read the entire Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is GOD's WORD--"All Scripture is given by Inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for Doctrine, for Reproof, for Correction, for Instruction in Righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16. The WORD of GOD can change lives. I know of Jews who have read the entire Holy Bible and come to know Jesus. Like the Jewish scholar Saul who later became Paul and champion for Jesus and was the main writer of the New Testaments, these modern Jews are champions for Jesus in America. They keep all the Ten Commandments. Former Islamist-Jihadist terrorist, Walid Shoebat, came to know Jesus when he decided to read the entire Holy Bible. He changed his life and is now a champion for Jesus. His powerful book is entitled, "Why I Left Jihad." Former Imam of a Mosque in Cairo and also Professor of Islamic History at Al Azhar University, Mark A. Gabriel, read the Holy Bible and came to know the Prince of Peace. He was persecuted, tortured and jailed for knowing the Prince of Peace. Through divine intervention, he managed to survive and escape to America. He has since written 5 powerful books and one of them is entitled, "Islam and Terrorism," where he tells about his experience before delving into the subject of Islamist Jihadism.
55. Paqid & Brod
Larry ,   California   (05.04.07)
You both don't seem to live by the Holy Spirit, you're just the same: I, I, I, me, me, me, EGO! That's not G-d's Spirit! Whether your Theology is right or wrong is irrelevant! Your words have no life, don't give life, don't change, unlike G-d's Word that doesn't come back without fruit, He gives life, He changes, He does what He's supposed to.
56. JTF.ORG is a great website.
Yacov Menashe ,   United States   (05.04.07)
We want to save America and Israel.
57. # 52 Thank you for every word
Marcel Abel ,   France   (05.04.07)
Yes, I'm Marcel but it's unusual for me not to sign with my name. I had spoken of my disease, my feeling was then to hide myself as if ashamed. It's always a honour and a blessing to speak (here to write) with an Orthodox Jew and with Jews, especially when I feel they have a true Jewish soul. It's the same with Christians and with people when they come in with disguised opinions. I have highly appreciated you took time for comforting me through hard times and suggesting how best to follow the right path. We need Israel be a brilliant light onto the world and you need just now the Almighty be your shield and your rock. I pray that Israel comes through all threats and peace, eternal peace and love will be our bread given by the Lord. Thank you again with your explanations and kind words. Be blessed !
58. crimminaly insane
chaim ,   brooklyn n.y   (05.04.07)
as an orthodox jew myself,i have to tell you these guys are criminally insane,they have to be put away in a insane asylum,and we should all pray for them to get well what a chilul hshem,these idiots made
59. Love, do not judge
Marcel Abel ,   France   (05.04.07)
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. James 1:5 The knowledge of God is very far from the love of Him. Blaise Pascal Jesus is the God whom we can approach without pride and before whom we can humble ourselves without despair. Blaise Pascal
60. The old tricks still work well
god in the sky   (05.05.07)
I’m glad to see the old tricks still work well, especially the Hilkiah’s forgery. Returning of the old laws including stoning sinners to death would be also appreciated )))
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