Arabs did not come to Palestine, or even ancient Syria because of Islam as you think. They existed all the way since thousands of years before. Nabateans, amorites, Canaanites, Ghassanids are all ancient Arabs who predates even the Israelite invasion from Egypt

It's so predictable. All of these people try to deny the Jewish people's history, and assert that we do not belong here. The reason is so familiar. All of the anti-Zionists, are so because they deny Jewish people's existence and history. They bulldoze our archaeological sites. They deny we exist at all. That is who the anti-Zionists are. They are simple racists. They have no problem with nation-states. They just want to keep screaming that we Jews are not a nation.

As they go by the pashoot and they feel that the book or Devareem is the heart of Torah, as ironically I arrived at the same conclusion. Oddly the Rabbis who wrote my Tanack discounted Devareem in its interduction, thus was a clue there was value to be found there. I would guess that your answres are in Devareem. Try reading it. It will do you more good than putting me on the spot. You are correct I am a critic of Torah b'peh as it is not about judgements (the only thing Levis and Kohens were given power to do) but rather creation of laws, unquestionable power (brainwashing peer pressure that the leaders are pure despite the neveem stating otherwise) and clearly reducing the power of the Jews with objects and such. Torah states it is forbidden to add words to Torah, thus all new laws are CHET. 50 some books are Chet just like the New Testament is Chet. G-d never said wash your hands with a canataion, never said wear a kippah, never said light shabbat candles with a cantation, never said men an women needed machizahs, never mentioned koshering salts with cantations, Never mentioned repetative prayers (all cantations) but orginal prayers, never allowed Rabbis or anyone else for that matter to be in place of the Kohens and Levis, etc. Even Moshe had a speach impedimant so doing the the prayer book the Rabbis built using magic Kabbalah, would be something the greatest prophet ever, could have done. It doesnt take the history of the Shomroneem to see that Rabbis teach exatly what the Gan Eden story points out as a sin. Taking words out of context and dividing sentances to serve mans interest not G-d's. It also doesnt take a genius to see Israle is not catching the protection it was because Israel is misled excatly as the prop[hets said. Not my words but theirs. In fact the Olmert is taking heat because G-d wasnt with us in the last war the way he was in the six day war. Complicating Torah makes it expensive and drives those that seek G-d away. You shall not remove a word, correct? Take the expense of separate meat in milk 9one of many). It again, doesn't take a genius to see that the words "mother's milk" means something. And boil, means something. And Gedi (baby goat) means something. Thus do not boil a kid in its mothers milk is no connectioin to a cold cheese and turket sandwich. turkeys don't have milk, so it certainly is not its mothers milk, and it certailny is not a gedi, and it certainly is not boild in milk. Nor to separate refrigerators, kitchens, towels, pots and other expenses. Should a soul suffer if they have not boiled a kid in its mothers milk?

You do not need someone to get Torah for you. It is not across the sea. Not in heavean. But very close to you. Moses was hired to do two things, lead the Jews out of egypt and to act as a go between between G-d and the people. Yes that means a communicator of Torah. You are saying his abilities were not good enough but men not mentioned in Torah 9Rabbis) that dress as christian noblemen who come after the temple was lost because the rulers and the San Hedrin were corrupted, are you saving grace and can deliver Torah words that Mosses forgot or was incapable of writing down. For example when Moses said bind the whole exudos on you hand and between you eyes it meant symbolism. But when he said the words deliverd this day (Torah), he meant a few paragraphs with a incantation in a crafted three party box that goes in you arm pit not the hands (yadym) as you wear a kerchief kippah on your head. Check Ezekiel. You might check who is the nut job here. If you asked me. you believe in men an objects, not G-d. The tree of good and evel was good for wisdom, still doesn't mean you can eat from it it - is Chet. to add or take away words of Torah and that is exactly what Torah b'peh does. Case closed

One of many reasons is that a sacrafice is to be umblemished. You cannot offer something that died of ill health in the road. This is why sacrafices are watched for a waiting period before they are a Pesach offering.

Judah is one tribe of Israel and although the nation of Israel gives them palestinian IDs and does not accept them into the fold like they did the black hebrews, doesn't mean they are Goyim. Even Christians are a Jewsih cult, yet Jews mistakenly call them Goyim. They are fallen Jews under the curses and failings of deveraeem 13. You however might be called by some a Goy Gamor for your lack of thinking on the issue of Torah.

If my information is correct, they state that the Jewish religion is a cult of Israel (tribes of Israel) that started up customs not in Torah. This is pretty clear that it is the case and not a denial of Jewish rights to be here but rather accnowlegement that the Jews went astray as Mosses predicted. The Samaritians believe at some point the truth will come out again. I think that time is now.

Could someone please explain why it is that if the Samaritans perform a sacrifice that is based on Jewish practice it is considered wonderfully ethnic and fascinating but Jews in Israel were forbidden by law to collect money for such a sacrifice this year. If Jews tried to do this, we would be put in administrative detention.

they preceded christianity, but not Judaism. When Israel had its first exile, the land was populated with foreign people by the victorious king (I forget his name) which was a common practice at that time, moving conquered populations from their own area to another so they would lose contact with their own roots and be more easily managed. They practiced their own religion, but lions in the area kept attacking them. The king, on advise from the Israelite leaders sent some priests back to the land to tell them about true worship, and they infact started to worship that way and the attacks stopped, they intergrated it into their own beliefs, so it was not a pure faith. In the days of Josephus, they said they were Israelites when it suited, but when Jews were not in favour by the rulers they said they were not. They ran hot and cold. Lots to the story, perhaps not explained it right, but they are not from the stock of Jacob, nor true converts to the faith, it is a sort of hybrid faith. They did not precede the Jews, they were moved into the land around the first exile. And there is nothing wrong with a communal barbecue, today only farmers kill their own meat, rest of us get it from the supermarket, and as for calling it Passover, it definitely has nothing to do with them, they were not passed over in Egypt. But any reason for BBQ is a good reason. They are not harming anyone and having a good family get-together, leave them alone.

to#14 first sound like you're actually Israeli but it does not matter to me who you are, bottom line there is a MIXTURE of people in israel and they are all Israelis to #6 oy vey what can I say to you my Pal friend, ok let me tell you , ALL JEWS ARE PALESTINIAN OK THIS IS WHERE WE COME FROM. THIS IS WHERE ANCERSTORS COME FROM WE ARE THE NATIVE OF ISRAEL JUST AS YOU ARE.our history is here so is the present and Future. I am sick and tired of fanatics from Pals side that continueously keep on telling me we stolen your land. instead of killing each other why can't we shake hands and look for ways how we can help each other and build safe pals state. but no,,,,instead you martyr your people and blocking any opportunity for progress. Pals have to put the weapons down and start negotiate peace with Israel. and if you keep on talking about how misrable you are and we taken your land and all thar crap, 10 years from now, you still going to be a refugee, so what do you choose?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh, I did as you suggested and went to the introduction section of the book of Devarim. Apparently though, it indicates precisely the opposite of what you are stating. Artscroll’s introduction to the book of Devarim, speaks of the uniqueness of this book as the preparation needed prior to entering the Land of Israel. Ironically, Devarim is considered as the beginning or introduction, per say, to the Oral Law since it teaches, in many respects, how Moses taught us to apply the law. It was actually a very fascinating read, but seems to say exactly the opposite of what you are trying to convey. I was expecting the introduction to discount Devarim as you wrote, but the Rabbis actually laud it and praise its uniqueness tremendously. So essentially, you did not answer a single one of my questions. Now, if I was a Samaritan, and a stranger asked me such questions as I ask you, who would I go to for advice? Who would I seek to explain to me the answers to such questions? If the Samaritans do not believe in Rabbis because of their lack of authority to make decisions in regard to the laws, then I assume there is no such authoritative position in the Samaritan community. If there is such an authority, whether such an authority be called a Rabbi or any other another name, that would be quite hypocritical, correct? So who would the confused Samaritan go to? As far the rest of your TB, it was a little difficult understanding your words. They seem quite incoherent. For instance, you mention that the only things the Levis and Kohens were given power to do was to make judgments. Where do you get this from? Based on what written words? Based on the literal text itself, the Levis and Kohens were assigned specific tasks in connection with the Tabernacle and later in connection with the Temple service, most all tasks being in the framework of ritual assignments and assistance in carrying out the Temple service. For instance, the Levites were the musicians in the court yard and assistants to the Kohanim. In regard to judgments, the Temple itself had a courtroom, that Sanhedrin you mentioned earlier, that dealt with judgments. This Sanhedrin was set up in a structure taught to Moses by Jethro, as explained literally in the text of the Bible. The clear written words of the Torah show how Jethro advised Moses to set up tiers of judges. Commentary is barely needed to understand the literal text there. So I’ve lost you there as well. (continued on next TB)

You say that some 50 books are CHET because they add on to G-d’s word. Do these 50 books include the Nevi’im that you quote as your source for the attack on the Rabbis? Which 50 books are you talking about? I also lost your point of Moses’ speech impediment? What does that have to do with prayers? Then you talk about Gan Eden pointing out sins? How do you know what is considered a sin? What literal text from the Torah are you taking as a basis of your opinion as to what G-d considers sin? In fact, how are you even familiar with the definition of sin versus a mitzvah. Doesn’t understanding the difference necessitate an explanation of the nature of a sin versus that of a mitzvah? And how can we have a discussion on such a topic if we are only relegated to quoting the exact literal words of the Written Torah? In fact, where do you get the notion that G-d was not with us in the last war? You are sounding very much like a Rabbi. I could read the text over millions of times, but I’m quite sure the name Olmert and the Lebanon War is not literally mentioned in the Torah. Why are you deducing opinions when they are absent from the literal text? Are you adding to the Torah? Further, you take the topic of kashrut and the “mother’s milk” to an extremely literal explanation. Should we do the same with the rest of the Torah? In the many instances where the Torah says that “such a soul shall be cut off from the Nation”, and “a sorcerer must die” and the like, or instances where stoning a sinner is mentioned, should we take those words literally. If we do, then I assume there is a lot of killing in these Samaritan communities. The Sanhedrin on the other hand, themselves stated that capital punishment is rarely enacted and that a court that does so once in 70 years is an evil court. I kind of prefer that concept, don’t you? Please explain.

and the court said no. As per your article the Samaritans did it so my question is, did they ask for government permission? Thanks for this article. It is extremely interesting.

#6 why do Palestinians just love to distort Jewish history. Samaritans are a Jewish sect who remained in Judea after the rest of the Jews were expelled by the Romans in 130AD.

I did not suggest that you read an introduction. On the contrary I have said such additions are CHET. To me it is clear that these are equal to the advertisements you get before a rented DVD movie. I recommend that you read the Torah Pashoot of Devareem. The Torah that I am using is The Stone edition. What is quoted in my introduction is in fact from the Talmud and it calls Devareem “Repetition” which most read as “the same stuff only reopeated”. Next they state that this book is the only one that was not G-d speaking directly through Moses but an after the fact comprehension of Moses. Moses was a prophet and did not speak willfully but in fact relayed G-ds words without discounting them by adding his own comprehension. As you know it is a sin for a prophet to speak willfully. I did not answer on Shomroneem because I do not play go-between. If your questions were genuine you would seek them out rather than take second hand explanations that could be incorrect. Shomroneem have plenty of authority in their non-rabbinical system. I see what your doing here is trying to lay your cornerstone of the Rabbi's house of cards. Problem is your cornerstone is a paper thin card trying to be represented as a brick. Israel doesnt need some Rabbi to complicate and charge money to bring Torah down from heaven. Neveem are not Torah, rather Neveem If Moses' was to anonymously to enter a synagogue and be called to the Bimah, would he be allowed to read from Torah? By today's standards his conversion would not be accpeted nor his marrying a non Jewish woman. You can pretend that there is no rule or instruction about prayers, but we both know better.

There is no support in Torah for adding laws and words only for making judgements on the rules that exists. Devareem 1:9 and 16:18 17:9 The temple is disputed by the Shomroneem as being a cult. I know it is forbidden to construct pillars, plant tress, and in general make items considered holy, such as an egel zahav. In the Torah the alter is to be uncut stones. The temptation to carve something represenative such as building out of the stone to pray to is pagan. I am of the belief that the Shomroneem are correct about using the mountain as it is built by G-d.and fits the description of a “place that G-d chooses” as this is what historically the fathers did. Thus all that you stated about Levis in the temple was answered if you in this non-temple assertion. "What is a sin" is simple, anything that G-d has instructed you not to do as well as any action leading up to such act. For example justifying the addition of laws and words to Torah. How do you know it is a sin, because it is written in the pashoot and it is in your heart to do Torah, so you feel it from the heart. Devareem 30:14 Besides the curses that fall around you are a give-away that there is a problem. Devareem 30:11 Dont need someone to go and get it for you. On the War, we were not successful at achieving our goal and many died in the process. G-d grants victory when he is with us. Me saying this is not an addition but rather me fulfilling the Shma. Torah is between my eyes (I see it) and do Torah with my hands. If I call it Torah or Torah b'peh and I use it as a substitute for teaching Torah pashoot then it would be a sin, such as the additions of the Rabbis. The Smaritans would be better at explaining their handling of the stoning issue. The San Hedrin historically was corrupt according to Ezikeil who mentions the 70 men doing magic in the temple. I see a society in the US where revolving doors of inmates are policy. Where a criminal will be back on the street in two hours. They are failing to remove evil from their midst. Rabbis have done is not the context (too the extreme) and has added meanings not gleaned from what it says. You have it backwards. Kosher certifications cost money. “Dont boil a kid in its mothers milk.” is not some cryptic text. When you explained what the introduction meant, you did better than you are doing with these words of Moses. If Moses wanted to say don't eat milk and meat together, he would have said that. You seem to understand my points to the extent that you disputed them, so what is incoherent?. I have heard this presentation of the house of cards from Rabbis which leads me to believe you are one. Having Judges and courts that do the law including the most extreme sentences already exists in the world. Having a corrupt system lead by those who undermine the people who they cannot manipulate, such as the Shomroneem but prop up men who mislead, bothers me.

Josh, I'm itching to contend with all your wild statements, but I have a feeling that I'm wasting my time with you. If you are sincere and are interested in having an intelligent discussion on the issue, I would be happy to discuss these topic with you. Feel free to email me at: LN50@AOL.COM I promise to not be insulting. The objective should be to arrive at the Truth. If anyone one else would like to join in, feel free to contact. Also, I have read Devarim once or twice and will be able to approach most points of discussion. Finally, I want to greatly thank you for that wonderful compliment, but no, I am not a Rabbi. It was nice to hear though. Shabbat Shalom... if you observe it of course. If you do, do you do like the Shomroneem and sit in the dark?

If God gave us his name(Yahweh), then why don't we use it.

While we're forbidden from using our God's name in vain or for negative purposes let alone cursing It, I always use it when praying, reading from Scripture, and making binding vows. Furthermore, YHWH commanded us *twice* in Its holy Torah to take vows in Its name instead of other gods or idols. So we're talking a _mitzva_ here. But you wouldn't know that listening to most rabbis. The more rank Jews ignore the traditional prohibition on pronouncing the Divine Name, the faster we'll witness a popular groundswell that might have an actual shot at forcing change within Rabbinic officialdom. Shalom |

as long as they are considered Jews, that's all that matters. how they cellebrate passover what they eat, it doesnt matter as long as they pray for israel, and jewish people.

your message is inacceptable. Shomerim also are Bene Israel and they don't add NOTHING to Torah like HaShem told to us. Au contraire the Rabbis and Talmud - this is heretisy. READ TORAH BETTER

Not only Yehudim are bene Isra'el, but also the Shomerim. They have nothing contra the State Israel. They hold the Mitsva from TORAH, commanded by HASHEM to sacrefice on Mt. Ebal. READ TORAH and not TALMUD, this is heresy

First of all, the Shomerim do not bring their Passover sacrifices to Mt. Aival, so that's one problem. Why do you employ a lie in their defense, pray tell??? Secondly, the very fact their version of the Torah (which isn't the original)features a tenth commandment to sacrifice on Mt. Gerizim proves they do add to the Torah. Another addition they've made is to consider Shavu`ot the aniversary of the giving of the Torah when there's zero evidence in the Torah for this linkage. That's definitely adding to the Torah. I suspect they've added yet more to the Torah in their body of Halakha but I'm not very familiar with it.

right on these guys have a true heart for God as I look at the pics i see none have purified and cleansed according to the holy scriptures the tora which all israel should do esspeacialy the preist should be purified cleansed and santified

Karaites ans Sadduceans have had the same system of the Shavuot like the Samaritans. Are you a rabbinical Jew?

Not exactly true. The Samaritans, besides considering Shavu`ot the aniversary of the giving of the Torah when there's zero evidence in the Torah for this linkage, also observe Shavu`ot as a week-long feast culminating in the 50th day of the `Omer Count on a Sunday. This convention of theirs is quite old now. You really ought to do your homework on this topic better. I'm not a Rabbinical Jew. Are you? (Not that my affiliation or yours even matters. No denomination has a monopoly on either ignorance or erudition.)