Who will pay for their accomodation ? and for the extra workhours that they'll have to be paid , from friday afternoon until end of Shabbat . ? Again the seculars ?

"Again the seculars ? " I find it funny that people still actually believe that the religious don't pay taxes. It's like people believing that the Jews really DID write the Protocols.

no charles, not the seculars will be paying for it, the seculars AND religious will be paying for it don't forget 64% of Israeli population is traditional or religious to any extent HORRROR ! Israel has some semblance of a Jewish state!

religious and not religious who support Israel with their money. And what about all the money the orthodox and Haredim spend in that one day to keep Israel going. For example: airline tickets by the 100's, buses and cars by the thousands, Food and drinks worth more than you spend in the year, etc etc. Are the seculars paying for all that. Get real Charles if it wasn't for the orthodox supporting the thousands of companies in Israel throughout the year because they practice religion you would be a third world. Be a little grateful and appreciative. And if you are paying for the police to sleep in hostels that is not even a small token of what the orthodox give back to the state although I am sure Orthodox are paying for that also.

the seculars will be paying. This way, the seculars will somehow share in OUR great day. To save some bucks, Charles, you can join the "praying" group.

As far as is known , only a small part of the Israeli people will come to Meron . Nor many , if any , seculars . So who has to pay ? i'm also in favor of the football clubs paying the police officers . To the others : yes , there are charidi tax payers . But wich are the poorest Jewish towns in Israel ? Jerusalem and Bne Brak , with in one a majority of charidim , and a good part of them in our Capital . So , explain me how inhabitants of the poorest towns can spend much ? How can they afford plane tickets ? And to you , Bush i think , i we had to rely on the very Orthodox for maintaining our industry going , we would not have any . So they , those poor inhabitants of those towns have to be gratefull 1000 times that the seculars feed and protect them

You are right , US Jews and Gentiles support Israel financially , but this money do not comes in the finance ministers budget . They support generously some great Chesed actions . Look at my other answer . How can they spend much , the Charidim , they , who live for a part in the poorest Jewish towns ? who are awaiting every month the child allocation ? How can they spend more , per capita , as i do ? How can they spend much , some who are awaiting the social security checks anxiously every month ? And tell me , who are the people who mostly work at the Israeli Hi Tec ? Who are those working at the great exporting industries ? Mostly seculars . And these people spend money . I do not see many very Orthodox the Friday morning in the great shopping mall in my town , There you see the people who can , and do , support Israel's economy .

Switch to smoking nargillah tobacco instead of that wacky weed that creates thought distortions & reality inversion. Bruce, Haifa

B"H Does it take a genius to figure out that a Jewish state is actually responsible to secure Jewish events? It is a matter of public safety and therefore preservation of life to keep law and order during these events. Why does every Parade have a police force and no one questions it in New York. But here in Israel if there is a similar matter of public safety, there are so many concerns with defending that Jewish safety? What the police are instructed to do indicates whether the State allows them to observe their Jewish religion. If the State wants to house them at public expense, I see no problem with that. Remeber that the State does pay their paycheck to house them at public expense, somewhere! In this case, it probably not local to their work. Like any employer who wants to temporarily have their employee work outside the town where the employee resides, temporary accomodations need to be made. Typically that happens in hotel rooms. Why is such sanity raising such a storm on YNET?

It's hilarious how nobody can actually refute what Charles is saying and they therefore resort to petty insults. Charles is spot on. The Haredim are an enormous strain on the economy and Israel would be better off without them. Until these people actually start WORKING for a living in the REAL WORLD outside of their ghettos, they are useless to this country.

Charles when I engaged you in a discussion regarding prayer and what language is acceptable, you appeared to argue as if you subscribe to the religious observances and wanted to prove your point that prayers in Ivrit (Hebrew) is the most appropriate. It appears from your show of intolerance against Religious observances by lumping the Orthodox, Irreligious, Traditionalists, together as being a parasite upon the Israeli taxpayer, yet I have never seen you object to the ongoing weekly physical altercation by true traitors against the State of Israel and the Jew living therein and the enormous cost incurred by the State, but, I am going to give the benefit of my doubt, (Dan Lekaf Zchut) that you in reality are not of the opinion that you portray your self in your talkbacks but are merely as they say stirring the pot and see who and what your negative talkback is going evoke. If you choose to respond to this just know I will not engage you in any semantics by responding back to you

By the way ,there are thousands of non charedim who go because they believe they will get special blessings. Go and see for yourself you would be astounded how many people who are not strictly religious go. Hey maybe it will wake up your dormant jewish spark..

"How can they spend much , the Charidim , they , who live for a part in the poorest Jewish towns ?" How do you know how much they spend every month? "who are awaiting every month the child allocation ?' They get the same that a secular Israeli gets. That being: not much. "How can they spend more , per capita , as i do ?" They don't. "How can they spend much , some who are awaiting the social security checks anxiously every month ?" I haven't received mine. Nor have my friends. "And tell me , who are the people who mostly work at the Israeli Hi Tec ? Who are those working at the great exporting industries ? Mostly seculars ." Your point? "And these people spend money . I do not see many very Orthodox the Friday morning in the great shopping mall in my town" Because the 'very Orthodox' don't go to malls at all. Have you been to Geula on Friday afternoon? Not too many seculars. I guess that means the seculars don't support the economy either. Did you notice all those Jews working in Jerusalem? Did you notice that many of them who are truck drivers or working in small shops have bears and payas? Or are you so insulated from that, you don't care to notice? One other thing: Do you paint all black people as one group, or do you just play ignorant judge against the religious as a whole?

You did not answer my last tb neither . Why ? you knew that i was right [ this regarding languages ] For this article , the same , you can't refute my areguments . Anyhow , have a Shabbat Shalom and Chag sameach

At Geula you have cheap shops , no ? and bazar Strauss is also a very low price clothes shop . Seculars don't like to go to this Charidi neighbourhood . They prefer Malha mall i think [ there you can also see some very religious people motsae Shabbat ] Yes of course , there are many charidi working . Truck drivers and small shop workers , as you wrote , do not earn the vast amount of money . Regarding expenses : i answered to a tb saying that they spend more as i do . Regarding tax paying : you all probasbly know that a father blessed with a large family pays less for the same income that one who has only one or two children . And that's OK for me . Social security : i do not receive this neither , even i'm a retired Israeli . No , i do not paint the religious as a whole . There are great people amongst them , and they deserve to be respected . But they are , sad to say , not the vast majority . So also for you , Gabriela and others : Shabbat Shalom , Chag Sameach [ be cautious with the meduroth ]

Those are probably the same seculars who kisses the Mezuza , superstitious people . Let them go to Meron if they think it will bring them some good things

it is not the fact that the state has to secure events , it's the fact that due to religious requirements they have to be accomodated in hotels for Shabbat . And that we have to pay for those special requirements .

You wrote : have you been on Geula friday afternoon , not many seculars ... You certainly know that a part of shopping pleasure is having a drink . I do'nt remember , but are there nice places there to have a coffee ? i know places on Jaffa Road and so . Secondly , how much time do you have to shop on Friday afternoon , those shops are closing for Shabbat , no ? [ not a reproach ] Third , seculars do'nt want to take the risk to have their women harassed for not "kosher" clothing .

Charles, the fact is that Israel has a representative government. Any one group with enough political clout can lobby effectively for their own special interests. This could theoretically be pensioners, librarians, pet groomers and yes.. even Haredim! If they have enough demographic clout to gain significant accomodation by the state and local authorities, that is the nature of the political process. Complaining about it is part of the process as well- but if you're truly unhappy the only option is- start a political party and run for office ;-)

Thanks for your advice . It's democracy , you are right . How many want this actual representative government to step down ? Many in their talk backs , when it suits them . And when it suits You Joseph , you say the government is democratically elected . I don't say that otherwise you want them to step down . You probably don't know that some parties are blackmailing their support very harshly , and that their influence is disproportionate great in comparison with the number of votes they obtained . Shabbat Shalom and Chag Sameach to you .

fanatics have multiple things in common. they love fire, love to set fires, destroy property, yell, scream and throw things. thank G-d for smokey the bear commercials, the inablity to light a match, the fear of fire, petroleum and fuel, the panic of crowds, and no throwing potential.

other citizens pay more taxes and receive proportionately less in return. Period.

Not saying that there aren't orthodox who work, BUT By the time they finish with deductions for all those kids, there's nothing left to pay. And on top of that there's all those tax free child allowances.