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Masorti rabbi attends Christian Zionist event
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 06.05.07, 00:25
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1. Christians: Would you find it offensive.....
Saul ,   Eretz Yisrael   (05.06.07)
If a Anglo Muslim man, dressed up in Pastor clothing - the white band on the neck, with the black shirt. you know what I am talking about, anyways Lets say, a Muslim man dressed up in Christian garb and had volunteers go to major events like baseball games, July 4th, BIG EVENTS and starts talking to you Christian – “How you can be a “better” Christian by believing in the Prophet Mohamed.” Or how a Hindu man, dresses up in Christian garb and visits big events, handing out fliers, manipulating you how you can be a “better” Christian by believing in Vishnu and Kali? Now, your response would be, - this is deceptive, manipulative, deceiving, and outright wrong that the Hindu preacher isn’t a Christian nor is that Muslim preacher isn’t a Christian, you would feel hurt that someone is trying to manipulate you and lying under false pretenses to convert your fellow brother into another religion. Well that’s what we Jews feel when many of these missionaries dress up in Jewish clothing, sideburns (peis), kippa and wearing Jewish star and stating they are a Rabbi trying to tell us Jews how we can be “better” Jews in believing in the Christian Messiah. What your Christian brothers and sisters are doing is perpetrating another Holocaust, a spiritual one.
2. It's OK for Christianity and Judaism
Tracy W   (05.06.07)
to unite in defense of Western values and to work against Islam's aggression against the West, particularly against Israel. However, any Christian attempt to proselytize among Jews is completely unacceptable. Israel should set strict rules in this regard and Christians visiting or residing in Israel should abide by them. No exceptions.
3. Hagee is no friend of Jews
שילוה   (05.06.07)
After you get past all the fluff, it is very clear that hagee believes that if Jews don't accept the xtian version of jesus, they are destined for eternal punishment. In otherwords, one must believe in jebus to be saved. There is alway's a motive behind the message and messenger
4. Israel needs all the friends she can get
Sam Weinstein ,   USA   (05.06.07)
With Jews like Rosanne Barr and members of Peace Now and others who rant anti Israel tirates we need all the friends we can get. If they are Christian Zionist great they are better Jews than the Leftist Jews out there in Hollywood land and i'd take their loyality and friendship over those leftist Jews in hollywood anytime.
5. IL so democratic,that an Arab MK can even be a master spy
Alan ,   SA   (05.06.07)
6. How come ??
(05.06.07)
any real Christian can not be zionist , All Christian believe that Jesus the one who came is the real one so how come they support the people who don't believe in the one who came and they joke about him and their grand fathers they were behind puting him on the Cross ... those fake Christians must be brain washed .
7. #2 What is western values - prostitutes, no death sentances
Al-Hajin ,   Yemen   (05.06.07)
Greed, porno, theft, rap, drugs, boozing, curses, no respect of elders are the values of Western Society. They pray to the idol - the holy green dollar. They do anything for it, sacrificing their morals for it, killing, stealing. Oh yeah, I forgot, woman in Western nations show their boosoms and their undies, how delightful, how inspiring. Garbage!
8. Suggestion for Saul, #1
Frank ,   St Louis   (05.06.07)
Saul, it's alwaysa good idea to READ the article before you comment - that way you won't embarrass yourself by ranting on about matters extraneous to the issues at hand
9. I am so glad Rev. Hagee is..
Rick ,   Open Range, USA   (05.06.07)
in the news so I can write a talkback! For the record, I am not a "Hagee Christian", in fact I am not sure what that would be! If you wanted to call me a "religious right", I would be okay with that. Bro. Hagee came to my hometown last week and a Jew wrote a scathing letter to the editor in the local newspaper. This Jew didn't like Hagee at all. Called him homophobic, anti-semetic, etc. etc. To make this as short as possible, this man went to great lenghts to proclaim his right to his Hebrew faith, while trashing the faith of Rev. Hagee as much as he could. Now that isn't right, is it? If you want respect for your religion, you should also respect the other man's right to his religion as well. The only thing this man wrote I would agree with is that if Christians want to support Israel, they should just say "I support Israel" and leave it at that! I agree! "I support Israel!!" There! Whew! I feel better already! Now let's all inform the USA that American tax dollars are no longer needed to support Israel, because all Israeli Jews really want us to leave them alone, right?! Thank you!
10. Maybe, just maybe...
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.06.07)
.... there is some little voice from the old testament that whispers into Christian ears that something is not quite right with the world until and unless there is universal acceptance of Eretz Yisrael with a temple in Yerushalaim.
11. How sad for you.
An Evangelical   (05.06.07)
You know, I'm a evangelical Christian who strongly and staunchly support the Jews and the land of Israel. I believe it to be the apple of Hashems eye, that he has an eternal covenant with the land, and that Israel is the only nation on earth that has a title deed to it, a G-D that has said he would protect and prosper the land if the people would obey his word. I pray for the peace of Israel daily. I know Pastor John Hagee, and he is not against the Jews or against the land of Israel. He has brought over 22 groups of people to come and visit the land of our G-D. He has defended Israels right to exist without having to give the land away, and has done so infront of powerful politicians who are hell bent on forcing Israel to give the land to the pals. He and his church send untold amounts of money to the land each year. He is a man who has studied bible prophecy (Old Testament) for years and is watching it come alive in our time and generation. And yet it always has amazed me that you Jews cannot or will not accept Jesu's forcoming in the Torah, yet you choose to condemn us for believing in what Hashem has said. Well did the Apostle Paul speak of you when he was talking to the religious rulers of his time. The message is still the same, just a different place in time. You can choose to Believe that Jesus is the messiah, or not. You can also choose to believe that he still has to come. The choice is yours. Hashem has said " I set before you this day life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose life that both you and your seed may live ." The obvious choice here is to choose life. Yet in reading the scriptures we find that there were many who chose ways other than the blessing and were therefore living in the results of the curse. Trust me, the American government is no where near to being a friend to the Jews as are evangilical christians. We will pray for you daily, and know how to get our prayers answered in a way that things will begin to turn around for your nation. So while we may have made mistakes in the past, don't push us away. We have a life changing power in us that you know not of, yet we are willing to come to your aid at the drop of a hat. Those that be for you are not against you.
12. #11 My Response: Come Closer - Closer - SPIT!!!!
(05.06.07)
Please, Please, keep your money, we have lived on for 4000 years and we dont need you dirty money. Maybe for you money is salvation , but we Jews understand what Judaism is all about. May your descendants turn to ash and your seed turn dry. For those that try to kill a Jew whether it is through physical means or spiritual means.
13. #10 FYI, Harley, you and your goy brothers are not invited
(05.06.07)
to come to the Temple. The seed of all descendants that have butchered Jews whether it was physically or spiritually will be removed from this Earth. Death is the destiny for those.
14. To #7
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.06.07)
Now wait just a minute! That bellydancing is not a Western thing. Before you preach against our values, take a close, hard look at what kind of an immoral and greedy type the venerated prophet of some other religion was. Show me some decrepit man in his 50's who lusts after a 6 year old girl, and I'll show you a sick puppy. (Does "Aisha" ring any bells?) And if you want to see some real devout "faithfuls" in action, go to Las Vegas, Monte Carlo or Paradise Island. Maybe if they saw a bossom or a pair of panties now and then at home, they wouldn't go gaga like 15 year old schoolboys. In other words, don't throw rocks, if you sit in a glass house.
15. #3 that is complete bull!!!!
Robert   (05.06.07)
You do not even know who he is, as if you did you would immediately realize how great of a man he is not only in the Christian world, but in the Jewish world as well.
16. To #13
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.06.07)
Dang! Not only do I not get invited to the Vatican, but now I can't go to the temple, either! I'll just have to take the direct route to god. If you, however, you knew about "butchering" as much as I do, you wouldn't mention it so casually. For what it's worth, I'm a German immigrant to the US and, since my father was a Jew, a "sorta, kinda" half-shiksa. Since you doubt me, I'll retype this talkback in Kraut. (Translation: Donnerwetter! Nicht nur bin ich nicht zum Vatikan eingeladen, jetzt darf ich auch nicht mal zum Tempel kommen. Naja, ich nehme halt den Direktweg zu Gott. Wenn Du aber vom "Metzgern" soviel wuesstest wie ich, wuerdest Du es nicht so mir nichts, Dir nichts erwaehnen. Fuer welchen Wert es haben mag, ich bin deutsche Einwanderin in die Staaten u. nachdem mein Vater ein Jude war, so 'ne "Fast-Beinahe-Halbjuedin." Nachdem Du mich bezweifelst, tippe ich diese Zurueckrede auf Deutsch.) Any other silly comments?
17. #7 Al-Hajin , Yemen
Herred   (05.06.07)
What you described is part of human nature. In our places, casinos and prostibules are FULL of moslems. Instead, slavery, assassination, bigamy, child abuse and sodomy are in the moslem scriptures. And what about drug abuse in Iran, one of the highest in the world apparently?
18. #13 What biblical text do you base such
Josh   (05.06.07)
What biblical text do you base such assertions on? My reading of the text lets it know that the Jews and Fallen Jews (Christians) will all see the truth of how the choice between a blessing and a curse has caused such hardship in the world. I also see Christianity spreading Torah throughout the corners of the world so that Torah is in fact very near to all. Not that a single one will read Torah in place of the red words of Jesus the punisher horse (Hsus). Lastly I see predictions of not only the world go to war against Israel and being defeated by G-d but also 1/3 of the Jews dying. A heavy price for the decendents of Israel to pay. Afterwards all the world will worship the G-d of Israel - inlcuding those you say should all perish. It all hinges on Devereem (DEUT) 13. The test which Jesus represents to the Jews. Those failing his test were collected for exactly what Moses spells out in the curses of Torah. Unlucky 13 for some. Those who wear a deadman on their neck - Anyone else seeing this? Choose death?
19. #11
Herred   (05.06.07)
I appreciate your help and respect your belief. However, you MUST understand that for us -Jews, the whole word of G_D is written in the Hebrew Torah. No surrogates, no supplements, no substitutes. I respectfully suggest that the only way you can understand what I say is by learning Hebrew and reading the original by yourself, with no translatioons and mediators.
20. #7 - Western values
Tracy W   (05.06.07)
What you are referring to on your list are not Western "values". They are simply part and parcel of freedom, and freedom is indeed a Western value, with all the good and bad consequences it entails. In a free society you can more or less choose how to live your life, all within reason, of course. You are not allowed to mistreat your family or anyone else; you are not allowed to settle disputes by using violence. There are no excuses for such behavior, and when people act that way, they have to face the law. I can assure you that there are lots of people in the West who choose to live decent lives and who don't like one bit any of those things that you name either. So governments enact laws against many of those activities and keep others under control, so as to protect all of us. On the other hand, when you live under an oppressive society, all those sins are hidden behind people's walls. Those who live under regimes that regulate how people live, think or express themselves, do not lead lives of purity and free from sin. On the contrary. There's plenty of evidence and not enough space here to write about it, but you know what I mean. In our case, to have reached this stage of freedom and tolerance, the West has gone through a long and difficult history of privileges for a few, abuse, discrimination and even persecution of minorities, the exploitation of children and laborers, and vast abuses of human rights. Every right and freedom we enjoy today, such as the right to vote, to own private property, of education for all, freedom of speech, of the press, of movement, of worship, the right to be treated equally before the law, etc., each of them was obtained at the cost of much effort and sacrifice by previous generations. So we appreciate and cherish each of those rights and freedoms and will do everything it takes to keep them. So those are the Western values that are worth saving. No matter how corrupt some segments of society choose to be, we still uphold our rights and freedoms. And we'll fight for them, I can assure you, because there is nothing, absolutely nothing better in the world right now. It's thanks to a free society that we have achieved great things in the areas of science, art, technology, health, and human development in general. The results are far from perfect but they are light years ahead of anything that tyrannical and oppressive societies have to offer. It is ironic how critical of the West some countries like to be, but their people still line up at Western embassies hoping to immigrate into the countries they despise so much.
21. #12 How very sad for you.
Evangelical   (05.06.07)
Who said anything about killing you? Your arrogance is just as real as when satan entered Judas when he betrayed Jesus for 30 pcs. of silver. The soldiers spit in the face of Jesus then, and it looks as though you have carried on their tradition of hate. I have said nothing mean or unspirited in my response, yet you truly have chosen to display your ignorance. How sad, how very sad for you. Yet I will still continue to pray for the peace of your country and pray that you will be safe from the qassams that are lobbed into your cities and that no harm will come to you or your family, or your neighbors. Just remember, you truly will reap what you sow.
22. # 7 AlHajin-Al Hypocrite
jan   (05.06.07)
And yet when your kind come to my country, they are one of the first to call up the prostitutes and the women who show their boobs and wear no undies. But somehow your ultra spiritual attitude doesn't show up with you when you are visiting these ladies of the night and you are handing them the almighty holy green dollar. But perhaps you prayed over that green dollar so it wouldn't be considered an idol for such whorish services rendered. When you yemenis come to my country many, many, many of you listen to rap,curse worse than americans do, show no respect to their women and children, and are the greediest and most dishonest of all people. So please my self righteous friend, tell me how is it that your kind so quickly lay down your hard core religious beliefs from just a quick plane ride over the ocean and then act like uncontrolled lacivious dogs when you get to my country? Could it be that we westerners are not a dumb as you think we are and now the whole world is seeing the muslim world for what it truly is which is a religion of hate and false words? What a hypocrite. If money is of no value to you than why do you go to work to support your family? Or is it that the spirit of jealousy has entered into you because you have nothing and others around you do? Garbage!
23. Not against some friends , please
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.06.07)
We need friends , even evangalical . What are you efraid of ? Is the Jewish faith so weak that you fear some evangelical people who preach ? How many have been converted ? They at least show openly who they are , in my view not so dangereous . So please don't insult friends , leave your hate for our true enemies .
24. To # 13 , this anonymous
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.06.07)
Are you so ashamed of your writing that you do it anonymously ? You are right , you have to be ashamed . Don't forget that many of those you want to be removed from earth [ final solution ?] have rescued thousands , hunderds of thousands of our brethren during WWII . Poor guy !
25. Response to # 11
ibinge ,   Guyana   (05.06.07)
Thank you so much for this! You hit the nail right on the head, thank you!!!
26. to number 9
dana ,   jerusalem   (05.06.07)
firstly thank you for your support. we in israel really appreciate it! your guide line on how best to help israel should come from the bible. from the word of god. your reward will be from god. i know it does hurt when christians giving so much and all they get in return is a cold shoulder. but most jewish people appreciate what you do and bless you for that. and one day soon we will give you ten times back. rev.hagee is a holyman!
27. nr 13 how dare you talk like that to m.hartley.
dana ,   jerusalem   (05.06.07)
most jews wont be allowed to all parts of the temple as well. it writen in the bible that gentiles who support the jews will get blessed and even some become jews by doing so. like ruth and rahab.challenge me on that if you can?????
28. #3 shiloh-you are a convert from christianity
dana ,   jerusalem   (05.06.07)
to judaism. why all this arrogance?
29. #13-DONT TALK TO FRIENDS LIKE THAT.WHAT A SHAME YOU ARE.
AVRAHAM ,   JERUSALEM   (05.06.07)
30. Again SAVED = WAY OF LIFE
John ,   USA   (05.06.07)
Not getting to heaven or escaping various punishment doctrines from the nations (which Israel believed). This seems to come up over and over again. Why? Because of GUILT. When the nations invented their own assembly that replaced or seperated Israel (called the Church), they then LOST THE WAY (which was Yeshua's teachings concerning having life within the law system); Is it alright to feed starving people by working on sabbath, or let them strave because the Fundamentalist extremists say it is against the law? How a person understands G-d and guilt involving this, determines their relationship with G-d (called life eternal).
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