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Israel must reject Darfur refugees, rabbi says
Neta Sela
Published: 17.05.07, 07:39
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31. # all of you, idiots
izzy d   (05.17.07)
WHY WILL THE ARMY AND THE POLICE NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE REFUGEES??? rabbi dror is only voicing what the idf and police know to be true, that there is no guarantee these people will not anti assimilate into our country. I suppose that logic reason and foresight comes up short against emotional feel gooders like yourselves. I have noticed that not one at6alkback agreed to assume responsability for these refugees futer actions. feel good liberal thought speak is why israel is in the state of war that we currently find ourselves in. rabbi Lior makes it clear that it is because we are in a state of war so my suggestion is either YOU go and take FULL responsibility, or shut the hell up.
32. poverty, terror, hate....THIS IS OUR WORLD
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (05.17.07)
in fact, No one knows what to do. The Devil side of Humanity always win. *** who can control all world into peace and love ? no body. no prophet did able to do that. no book realy helped. and The God (G-d) ! who knows what HE THINKS ? love Atilla Karagözoğlu
33. Lets be Honest YOU DONT LOVE ANY HUMAN BUT ONLY YOU
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (05.17.07)
SAY THAT. OF COURCE YOU CAN FEEL SORRY BUT YOU DONT REALY CARE. *** Look like I sound RACIST. WELL HALF OF MY HEART GOT CANCER SINCE LONG TIME. I DONT KNOW HOW TO HEAL IT. How I got the cancer ? I dont know. But I want it goes to far.
34. refugees
j ,   toronto   (05.17.07)
How can defenceless refugees join the enemy .
35. He forgets: They also are victims of muslim arab terror
Tobias ,   Germany   (05.17.07)
These refugees from Darfur are persecuted by muslim arabs - they have similar enemies to yours. They probably won't be influenced by muslim Jihad propaganda and antisemitism - at least if they're helped in Israel, and not sent back to the desert, and into an arab state. If Israel helps them, they'll probably be thankful, and (at least some of them) even love Israel. Even if they'll come into contact with anti-Israeli islamistic propaganda, they won't believe it because they know from experience, that it isn't true. They'll know: Muslim arabs tried to kill us, they killled our friends and relatives, but the Jews saved us, gave us shelter, food, etc. - So with this experience, why should they believe muslim arab propaganda against their new friends, the israeli jews? They'll be more zionistic than many Israeli Jews (and Rabbis). On the other side, if they're sent back to a muslim country, under the influence of anti-israel propaganda, and with the feeling that Israeli Jews are racists and hate none-Jews - than they start to hate Israel. But as I said, if they're helped in Israel, they'll know who their friends are - and they'll be much more zionistic, and loyal to Medinat Israel, than some israeli orthodox Rabbis, or some arab Israeli citizens. They'll be by far less dangerous than this "Kiryat Arba" rabbi (=one of the famous "Hebron settlers").
36. Kiryat Arba = jewish settlement in Hebron
Tobias   (05.17.07)
this says enough... I hope the Israeli leaders won't follow this radical settler.
37. i agree wih the rabbi 1000%.
mandi ,   israel   (05.17.07)
those people are enemies. in the bible the enemies of israel had one fate and that was death. you are nice cos you want to be loved by the world's gentiles comunity. it wont help you cos gentiles hate you. listen to the rebe he is right. i will only and i mean only help americans!!!!
38. Izzy
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.17.07)
This is not the role of police nor army . they were rejected by both of them . There are people who have taken responsability for them , the hotel management . So they are not a burden for the state , they probably will stay here , their children will go to school , and when returning to their country , they will be good ambassadors for Israel . So i'll ask you , who is the idiot ? not me , nor many of the tb writers , it's the guy i'm writing to .
39. He's worried he'll get less money.
Talula ,   Israel   (05.17.07)
Greedy evil man. Feh!
40. THE POLICE MAN OF THE HELL
(05.17.07)
I would love to stay in Hell as a police man for ALL WEAK RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. I BEAT MYSELF BECAUSE OF THE MESSAGES THEY GIVE OUT. LOOK LIKE THEY ARE A PM. POLITICIANS. Atilla Karagözoğlu
41. YOU CANT BUILD A GREAT NATION WITH GREAT MIND BUT A HEART !
(05.17.07)
you got to make others LOVE YOU. WITHOUT THEIR LOVE, YOU CAN BUILD AN EMPIRE BUT HOW TO KEEP IT MORE THAN 1000 YEARS ? *** RABBIES MUST TEACH LOVE. WHAT THEY DO ? POLITICS. I AM NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY KNOW WHAT IS LOVE Atilla Karagözoğlu
42. Mr. Dov Lior ! be a rabbi NOT SELFISH POLITICIAN
(05.17.07)
look how old you are. very soon you will meet The God (G-d) dont you understand ? YOUR JOB IS TO BUILD LOVE. Atilla Karagözoğlu
43. RABBI DOV LIOR, DARFUR REFUGEES
DAVID ,   HERZLIA , ISRAEL   (05.17.07)
you call yourself a Rabbi?, is this what happens when people become so fanatical that coomon decency is forgottent???. We Jews complained before ,during, after WWII that almost no country wanted to take in Jewish refugees from Nazism and millions could have been saved if only a few countries would have accepted them. And now Dov Lior is telling us to reject a few hundred people and throw them back to the wolves. DOV LIOR, for me you are not a Rabbi!!!, I wonder if you can be called a Jew???
44. you are all cowards and stupid.
mandi ,   israel   (05.17.07)
why must we have muslims in our country. its about time you people stop licking up to the world. they hate you no matter what you do. you are all like olmert. cowards. that is not the right thing to do. oo into the future. havent you learnt anything after 2000 of exile????
45. Lior please remember the Torah...
withheld ,   Copenhagen, Denmark   (05.17.07)
"You shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the heart of the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt."-Moses Exodus CH 23 v9 Not long ago Ynetnews.com posted an article about a Sudanese woman turning to Israel for help, because she felt neglected by her Muslim brothers and sisters in Palestine... How can you speculate and even suspect these hunted people of future betrayal?!
46. #44 mandi
Michael ,   Haifa   (05.17.07)
It is a very close competition between mandi and the Lior creature as to who is more ignorant , racist and inhuman. The refugees from Darfur are African pagans, not Muslims, persecuted by the Muslim regime in Khartoum. Even a pagan is more of a human being than Lior and mandi
47. US & Canada 1939
EK ,   Toronto   (05.17.07)
Did North Americans have the same ignorance before the HOlocaust? Turn them back and watch them die. In this perverted view the Sudanese are as subhuman today as Jews were 70 years ago. Obviously "Never Again" is only for Jewish people.
48. to #4
Hilda ,   USA   (05.17.07)
Why inded is it Israel's duty? I don;t see any Muslim country rushing to help their brothers. These people are from an enemy nation . How much loyalty to the State of Israel to we see among local Muslim--Palestinian Arabs? No the most Israel should be obligated to do is to help them on their way. Egypt is pushing them across the border, sdhouldn;t they help their fellow Muslims? Another country should be located to relocate them. Israel should only be a pit stop along their way. To the individual who equated this with should Israel allow Germans into Israel? That is ridiculous. Germans come as tourists not as refugees. Israel has enough of its own refugees. The refugees from Gaza settlements are not resettled yet. Charity should begin at home first. Jews are always the first to help and the last to be helped.
49. To #23. The Rabbi sounds like Taliban or Grand Inquisitor
Lenny ,   Israel   (05.17.07)
50. TO #43-YOU ARE A FOOL.JEWS ARE DIFFERENT.
MANDI ,   ISRAEL   (05.17.07)
51. If they stay it will be as citizens...
Ilan ,   Ariel   (05.17.07)
If Israel accepts them as refugees it then takes them in as citizens. No one has checked these people out, they just walked across the border. I think that is the context of the question. Whatever else one may think, it seems a bad policy to house, feed, provide medical care and grant citizenship to people who have not be certified as genuine refugees who do not threaten the security of the country. Israel has previously accepted refugees from both Yugoslavia and Vietnam, so there is a precedent.
52. Why is this on Ynet? Slow news day?
Alexander ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (05.17.07)
A rabbi from the settlement of less than 400 nutty extremists decided to say something moronic- what public interest is there in publishing his ramblings on the website of one of Israel's most popular newspapers?
53. The rabbi is right.
(05.17.07)
what he says doesn't sound good, but it is true. just keep in mind that old truth that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. one would think that israelis would have learned by now. israel is not the last refuge for those refugees, just preferable to egypt, kenya or any other arab or afrikan country. i often think that israelis suffer from the delusions of grandeur --the world does not rest on your shoulders, first put your own house in order.
54. #18, joseph, let GB give them home.
AK   (05.17.07)
55. #20, Germans followed Jewish religion?
AK   (05.17.07)
And I never knew it. Silly me, I always thought that the Jews fought for and defended their respective countries , not against them. Jews were never at war with any Europen country, the entire Muslim world is at war with Israel. Your entire comparison is wrong. Those refugees can become an enemy within, and the fact that they are now victims doesn't change that. While Israel should help refugees, it does not mean accepting potential future enemies into their country.
56. Mandi
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.17.07)
How do you know that they are muslims ? Do you know that the muslims in darfur are the killers ? So before writing something , try to inform yourself , otherwise you are the STUPID one .
57. rabbi lior does it again
shalom ,   israel   (05.17.07)
if there was any doubt in the past whether this rabbi represents jewish values and judaism or is simply a small town racist hack that doubt should now be gone. this man has supported despicable behavior so many times that he simply should be defrocked. He hopefully does not represent more than a very small percentage of overly zealous, anti humanity racist rabbis.
58. Why Israel?
John ,   Amsterdam   (05.17.07)
There are enough countries in the world to absorb the refugees!! Like the countries whom are criticizing Israel about not (yet?) letting them all in! I agree with the Rabbi not only because of his arguments the Rabbi mentioned, but also because can't accept regufees like this. They do not add up anything to Israel. They just show that Israel is begin way too political correct again. Bleghh take care of the Israeli population first (and the problems)!
59. I agree with Rabbi Dov Lior.
Avraham ,   Netivot   (05.17.07)
We already have more than enough goyim & arabs here , we don't need any more. Why don't you bleeding hearts in America & Canada take them in if you care so much about them?
60. Dafur
Roxy ,   Israel   (05.17.07)
We should open our doors to these poor refuggees.atleast temporarily until another safe haven opens up. Remember the Ship full of Jewish refugees that tried to get sanctuary in Cuba during WWII and was turned way from every port, and the people were sent back to Germany and murdered! Do we want ths blood of the Dafur refugees on our collective hands? This Rabbi is no man of Gd for sure because the Torah tells us to help our fellow humanbeings, to treat others the way we want to be treated. The Bible talks about compassion, where is the Rabbi's compassion? Where is the outcry from the true leaders of this countries religious sector the Cohenim, descendents of Arron? Rabbis are just teachers yet they fail to teach compassion.
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