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Argentine Jewry's dark secret
Rona Kupferboim
Published: 25.05.07, 15:43
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31. the same thing is now happening in israeli cities
A FORMER VICTIM   (05.26.07)
innocent girls brought here from the former soviet union , prommised decent jobs , and when they reach israel there passports are taken and they are forced to work as prostitutes or face the worst cosicuences . ISRAEL NOW IS THE SAME AS ARGENTINA BACK THEN .
32. does it really matter what happened so long ago?
(05.26.07)
33. A Feminist of Her Time
Adina ,   Canada   (05.26.07)
I think that this was a wonderful article showing the conviction and strength that one woman had to defy an entire establishment. Crime is pervasive in every culture, denomination, religion and sect of humanity. It is not the crime that should worry those scared of antisemitism. It is the ability of the people to abandon the allure of crime and reform themselves that is so inspiring in this tale. To simply look at the research, the story and the book as fuel for antisemitism is to belittle its value and its uses. One should never stay silent out of fear of the consequences. Rachel Lieberman wasn't.
34. does it raelly matter
melchizedek ,   canaan   (05.26.07)
does it really matter what happened 3000 years ago in Palestine ? M.
35. M Harthley
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.26.07)
Not only were there pimps in Argentina , but also other "nice" Jewish guys in New York . Were they not members of the "murder inc" ? Those are "professions" were you don't need very much education . Regarding the oldest "profession" in the world , you are right , if there was no demand for such "services" there would be no need . But there was , is , and will be a demand . No legislation can ban this . If it is banned , it will also continue , and with worser conditions for the "workers" . Against this , some European countries have permitted it , can control it , it's safer for everyone , customers and the "professionals" . There is also less crime involved , less forced laborers . There is a city where a special building for this matter was erected , and even a police office is included in it . You see there are different approach to this . If you ban this , will this not provoke more rape ? And the religious have'nt to say that in their midst there is no need , they are also walking in those "red" areas .
36. to 28- about rachel liberman
alina ,   tel _aviv   (05.26.07)
the argentinian journalist mirtha schalom wrote in 2003 a documental book about rachel liberman, she investigate her history for years togheter with rachels grandoughter. the book is incredible. there are inside original photigrafies .
37. 21. is true .
Alicia ,   Netania   (05.26.07)
those Migdal criminals become in israel very rich and respetable people.
38. To #25
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (05.26.07)
And what, pray tell, is a Jew supposed to do with his god-given talents for music and entertainment? Squander them all on us goyim? One thing that sets all of us apart from the animals is the capacity to laugh. Since god intended for us to laugh, there has to be something or somebody to give us reasons to laugh. God did not intend for his creations to sit around with long faces, ashes on their heads and wearing sackcloths all the time. That sounds suspiciously like the god of the bunch I care not to mention. My mother, may she be with the Jewish love of her life for all eternity, had a saying: "When Jews stop laughing, something bad is about to happen." Maybe that was her way of telling us kids, " wait, till your father comes home," but I don't think so. Anti-Semitism is born of fear and ignorance, and of that, unfortunately, there will always be plenty. And now, since it is Saturday morning, I have to get dressed, so I'll be ready to go to the door and tell the Mormons and/or Jehovah's Witnesses of my dreaded, highly-contagious disease.
39. Rami NJ
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.26.07)
First of all not Sdom and Amora , but sodom and Gomorrah . Then if you have travelled much around the world , i guess you were only interested in those "hot" places for knowing them so well . Hypocrite !!!
40. yisraeli
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.26.07)
The Jewish people contains the same very good , good , average , bad and very bad people as all the others in the world . Have'nt we notorious gangs here in Israel ? And those are true Israeli Jews . We have'nt to hide this , even it's not such a nice behaviour , and of course we haven't to be proud of this . You have bad and very bad people everywhere here , left or right wing , religious and secular , Jews of European , north African , Russian , origin , all the same . Religious are maybe not going to balls , but they are going to those "hot" places too , believe me , and not only in Israel , in the whole world , everyone needs those "services" sometimes
41. Sheinfeld's book about Jewish hookers in argentina
Toni ,   Ramat Gan, Israel   (05.26.07)
The true story was already told in a previous book called "La Polaca", so I don't understand all Sheinfeld's fuss...
42. a big i nsurence company was found in i srael
eti ,   jerusalem   (05.26.07)
a big insurence company was found in the thirties, by MIGDAL juwish polish pimps that escaped from the justice in argentina.
43. to no.41. the book La polaca become a bestseller in argentin
Robert ,   argentima   (05.26.07)
the book La Polaca writen by mirtha schalom become a bestseller in south america and now they are publishing the therd edition. the book is very recomended. inside names and photos of the pimps and the full story of rachel.
44. to 21....the tradition of israel is to welcome criminals
batia ,   netanya   (05.26.07)
it is amacing that since the thirties israel welcomes with open arms all kind of jewish criminals .
45. #3 A reason for their anti-semitism?
David ,   Israel   (05.26.07)
There have been members of every nation on the face of the earth, and practitioners of every religion, who have committed such crimes. You propose the fact that some nominally religious Jews did such is a reason for antisemitism (the very formation of your language indicates "justification")? That would be the very definition of bigotry. You're in good company with those anti-semites you argue a justification for.
46. #26 - A Pretty Broad Brush
Frei Guy ,   Israel   (05.26.07)
You seem to think the behavior of individuals defines the entire membership of the groups they belong to. I know plenty of ortho-folk. Some are sinners and some are saints. The saints are the one's who get it and live by what they preach. The sinners are the ones with a ways to go in that regard. To assume any religious person who talks about his principles is a hypocrite as an excuse not to listen to what they have to say with an honest ear is intellectual perfidy. Its not upright. I don't agree with a lot of what I hear coming from the ortho world (esp. the hareidim), but it hardly means they don't have the right to speak, or that all of them don't live by their principles. Some of them I hold in very high regard. Other's not so much. People who take positions like yours fall into the "not so much," camp.
47. Jewish Prostitution
HR ,   Dallas USA   (05.27.07)
Unfortunately the events are true. The trade was universal and has been noted by many historians, etc. A German Jewish social-worker, Bertha Pappenheim (who was the subject of Freud's study "Anna O"), attempted to stem the trade and there was an international conference to alleviate the situation.
48. see "Last Embrace", 1979 with Roy Scheider
Frank ,   London UK   (05.27.07)
The subject, except for location in Argentine is not really new, there was actually a famous film on Zwi Migdal with Roy Scheider, 1979. I knew the film, so what's new? By the way, one of Sigmund Freud's famous patients - Anna O (Berta Pappenheim) was involved in combatting white slavery in the same context.
49. a personal funny story
oscar ,   buenos aires - argen   (05.27.07)
The main bordello bulding is a Private Hospital right now, and is located in Cordoba and Pueyrredon Avs (near Junin Street). I worked out there (I´m a physician) and I could see erotic paints on the walls when it was refurbished.
50. another funny story
oscar ,   buenos aires - argen   (05.27.07)
In Junin Street and Rivadavia Av. there is a ancient Bar wich is named Los Angelitos (The Little Angels). It is said that such a name was coined by the police because it was a place for Zwi Migdal leaders joining.
51. Ilan Sheinfeld- Shame on u
gb ,   mtl   (05.27.07)
thanks for helping the jewish cause by bringing up the sh%t about us. how about reporting about the other 99% positive things jews contributed. a great diservice, obv a self hating jew if he sacrificied so much of his time preparing this book (the author)
52. #44 batia, Israel didn't accept Meir Lansky.
AK   (05.27.07)
53. Nothing new to those of us who know history
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (05.27.07)
It was reported and warned against at the time in the Jewish press (not Jewish Press, please!). An Argentinian Jewish friend (living here) says everyone in the community knows about it there. Judith Katz used it as the basis of her novel, The Escape Artist, in 1997.
54. #44, #52
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (05.27.07)
True enough about Lansky. But since then we did bring in the likes of Samy Sheinbein. And even though the law has changed again to keep people like him out of the country, we now have him forever, and ever. Lucky us!
55. Dark Secret
Jewish Grandma   (05.27.07)
So, some Jews were very bad, some Jews are very bad now, we should fight them, protest, write articles about them and all else that we can do. That is if we can do anything about it, but digging out old dirty laundry seems at best stupid and at worst self hating
56. it has been well documented log ago
who ,   there   (05.27.07)
not only that books were published many years ago about this story, but also research articles in academic journals have documented the story vis-a-vis issues of cultural politics, civil society, women rights, identity politics, etc. These events were not a secret. I heard about them growing up and as an undergraduate student at HUJ i took a couple of history classes on Latin america and on Argentinean Judaism and antisemitism in which this case was stiudied. Therefore, what is the noise about this book? is there any new revelations or a systematic study of documents and oral histories that we are a contribution or a revelation?
57. Jewish Grandma
charles ,   petach tikva   (05.27.07)
As i wrote in another tb , we have all sorts of people . We have'nt to be effraid from telling the truth , nor have we to be proud of this part of our history . And this has nothing to do with self hating . There are much more Jews we can be proud of . Look only at the more than 150 JEWISH Nobel prize recipients . Those are also part of our people , and some also received this prise 100 years ago , is this also digging out old stories ? not of course . So telling this story is not stupid , and certainly not self hating .
58. did ynet select the emails ?
democratic citizen ,   naharia   (05.27.07)
did ynect select the emails that can be show to the public?
59. don´t worry Grandma: the problem is in the building
oscar ,   buenos aires   (05.27.07)
I said yet in #9 that the building is now a Private Hospital, which was owned by a Pre Paid Medicine organization headed by Victor Alderete (non jewish). Dr Alderete was also the Cahriman of PAMI (Social Security like Veteran´s Administration) during Menem´s (arab) Presidency and he was a very corrupt politician.
60. #44
mark ,   ca   (05.27.07)
Not everyone.Meir Lansky donated millions to Israel but never could enter the country.
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